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http://elliotsblog.com/

Some good words from Elliot Silver at his blog...



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Good find!
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Here's the article:

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Mobi Steals the Show
Rick Schwartz, Moniker, Domain Auctions 2 Comments »

When Rick Schwartz paid $200,000 for Flowers.mobi, there were three general reactions from the public; he was crazy for spending that kind of money, he rolled the dice on the .mobi extension, or the bid was rigged. After yesterday’s live TRAFFIC auction where .Mobi names fetched huge sums, I think it has become clear that Schwartz certainly made a calculated gamble, and the price of Flowers.mobi doesn’t seem as crazy. According to Moniker, below are the .mobi sales in the auction along with their prices:

poker.mobi $150,000
ringtones.mobi $145,000
news.mobi $110,000
shopping.mobi $55,000
email.mobi $50,000
scores.mobi $33,000
buy.mobi $32,500
podcast.mobi $25,000
cab.mobi $17,500
cash.mobi $12,500
pda.mobi $8,000
zipcodes.mobi $8,000
bill.mobi $3,000

I only own two or three .mobi names, and I can’t even remember what they are without logging into my Godaddy account. I believe .mobi names are something to keep an eye on, moreso than .info and .net, but I am still sitting on the sidelines for the most part. I’ve seen evidence that traffic continues to build for owners of .mobi names, and I’ve even tried to use the .mobi extension from my Blackberry on occasion (I wish Jet Blue owned JetBlue.mobi!)

With some major corporations beginning to use .mobi, including Bank of America (who is using and advertising it), consumers may slowly begin to directly navigate to the .mobi extension when using their handheld devices. As this happens, look for the value of .mobi names to increase.

Like the rising stock price of a hot IPO I am unfamiliar with, I will continue to watch the .mobi market and possibly invest when I think the time is right. I still believe .mobi names are highly speculative, but the more companies that adopt the .mobi as their online connection, the more valuable these names will become, and the smarter Rick Schwartz will look to us all.

Jeff

Yeah, good to read early opinions on his blog ... but we are all wise, at this time, to keep in mind that these are not yet completed and verified "reported sales"!
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Once these facts, figures and details start coming in from the DNJ (where I'll be highlighting & updating the ongoing "Buyer's List" thread) ... we will know more about the specific Buyer's, their development -and- promotion plans, and the extent to which, over the ensuing six months, mTLD will be enforcing the "development requirements" for these latest auctioned .MOBI domains, IMHO.

In addition to his ".MOBI names are highly speculative", I also agree that Bank of America™ using and promoting "Bofa.mobi" is of substance (and, frankly, a breath of fresh air for the necessary "ecosystem" amongst all the H.Y.P.E., parking, and current corporate and defensive ™ redirects)!
Hopefully more insight and substance will come from the referenced "Buyer's List" thread ... which I'll be updating as I can here while on vacation, and then again regularly in November and December with the DNJ reports!
-Jeff

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babydomainer

I created the whole .mobi conspiracy as a game without knowing the real capability of WML decks. The game itself was defective/destructful by design through multiple identities, cryptic clues and dead ends. Dotmobi should pick up the pace and start releasing more domains for everyone, especially for local communities. No one likes being left in the dark.
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The future of mobile development urgently needs the collaboration of developers to help develop and market the mobile web. Dotmobi has to step-up their marketing campaigns, collaborate with developers, manufactures, carriers and businesses all of the world to deliver mobile content.

Mobility is the future but the proper tools need to be made and the space freed up. I would gladly tell someone about a .mobi site if it provided the information busy people need on the go. Locality is the key to the future success of .mobi and delivering rich content to end users.

Regards,

Chris

acc

[ QUOTE = : : ]Yeah, good to read early opinions on his blog ... but we are all wise, at this time, to keep in mind that these are not yet completed and verified "reported sales"! .... Once these facts, figures and details start coming in from the DNJ (where I'll be highlighting & updating the ongoing "Buyer's List" thread) ... blah, blah, blah ...[ / QUOTE ]

It is difficult to pass the opportunity to correct intentionally dishonest blatant mobi negativity or at the very least incongruent thinking.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=384620
It is WISE to view ACTUAL PAST RESULTS from these TRAFFIC auctions and realize that those auctions DO get completed. As such we CAN with good measure use these TRAFFIC AUCTION results as "sales figures" in our discussions.

So please provide P.R.O.O.F. that previous TRAFFIC auction final bids did not get paid for before you attempt to offer as "fact" or "wisdom" that we should not accept these recent ones as "sales". BTW - I bet that smart TRAFFIC bidders DID USE the recent SEDO auction results as well as other previous sales over the past year as sales comps while evaluating their bidding targets. IMHO

It doesn't matter one whit what you want to put in your running observer's list while diddling around on the sidelines as a hobby while those doing actual business are in the game. IMHO

stscac

All Jeff did was make a remark about the figures at the auction. DNJ reports them as official when they are confirmed, with every name, and doesn't make special cases for TRAFFIC.

-Steve

acc

I beg to differ Steve. It was his usual immediate attempt to put a negative spin on anything potentially positive for .mobi. Otherwise for example, he would not have stuck in the "amongst all the H.Y.P.E., parking, and current corporate and defensive ™ redirects" .... etc., etc., etc.

It is not only in this thread (but also in too many previous threads to think about) how nothing is ever good enough proof that mobi prices are accurate, actual completed sales, or anything that puts mobi in positive light. He does NOT present PROOF that prior T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction final bids are bogus - so as to make them unusable for discussion purposes or as sales comps to those who really matter (i.e., those who are buying and selling .mobi names).
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Thanks - Rep added - this relevant information is NOT premature

GeoOwners

As usual ACC, your posts are full of "intelligent" info and comments...



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Jeff

Righto, thanks Steve ... I'll be updating the referenced "Buyer's List" as best I can (while on vacation) with the DNJ report(s) (next one, I believe, on 10/16). This will include all completed and confirmed .MOBI "reported sales" and accompanying details - insight on their specific auctions, development and promotion plans, etc. - from Sedo Round I, the recent Traffic Live Auction Show, and any other sources as completed and verified by the DNJ, IMHO.
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Appreciate the professional clarification!
-Jeff

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hawkeye

...and the only one who will care will be - 'you'.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=384620

Jeff, .asia is coming, I do hope you plan to honor those interested buyers, with your same depressing and degrading 'wisdom and insights'.

Good grief, you really need to get a life!

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[ QUOTE = Jeff ]Righto, thanks Steve ... I'll be updating the referenced "Buyer's List" as best I can (while on vacation) with the DNJ report(s) (next one, I believe, on 10/16). This will include all completed and confirmed .MOBI "reported sales" and
accompanying details - insight on their specific auctions, development and promotion plans, etc. - from Sedo Round I, the recent Traffic Live Auction Show, and any other sources as completed and verified by the DNJ, IMHO.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=384620

Appreciate the professional clarification![ /QUOTE ]

This thread is NOT about the "Buyers List" thread. - - - Please stop spamming.

This thread IS about a Elliot Silver Blog. Yes it is his opinion and it is NOT "premature" to consider these final auction prices in discussions about the state of the .mobi market prices () and popularity ().
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=384620

If someone really wanted to further a "professional" discussion (regarding his insinuation above that the final T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction bids are not valid or real - and as such are unusable or unwise as sales comps by potential buyers), he would provide P.R.O.O.F. to back up his statements. Exactly which previous T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auctions did not get completed because of non-payment?
Sounds reasonable to ask for a clarification.

In the meantime - Congratulations to all the VALID Miami T.R.A.F.F.I.C. auction winners of:
poker.mobi $150,000
ringtones.mobi $145,000
news.mobi $110,000
shopping.mobi $55,000
email.mobi $50,000
scores.mobi $33,000
buy.mobi $32,500
podcast.mobi $25,000
cab.mobi $17,500
cash.mobi $12,500
pda.mobi $8,000
zipcodes.mobi $8,000
bill.mobi $3,000


And best of luck to those bidding in the ongoing silent auctions that end this Thursday.

FYI for those bidding - Here are the SEDO Auction #1 Final Results - Great Reference for Sales Comps:
Hosting.mobi $101,000
Bank.mobi $51,501
Download.mobi $51,500
Currency.mobi $47,000
Insurance.mobi $42,005
Chat.mobi $42,000
Traffic.mobi $36,008
Books.mobi $33,510
Free.mobi $31,500
Loans.mobi $30,000
Marketing.mobi $26,100
Creditcard.mobi $25,500
Rent.mobi $21,000
Creditcards.mobi $20,500
Voip.mobi $20,500
Webcam.mobi $16,000
DomainName.mobi $15,000
DomainNames.mobi $12,600
Advertising.mobi $12,100
Downloads.mobi $11,185
Credit.mobi $10,600
Atm.mobi $10,100
Payment.mobi $10,100
Index.mobi $8,100
Cricket.mobi $8,100
Colleges.mobi $7,500
E-mail.mobi $7,194
Domain.mobi $7,100
Pet.mobi $6,750
Stockmarket.mobi $6,750
DomainRegistration.mobi $6,100
Stockprices.mobi $6,000
Cellphone.mobi $5,250
Alerts.mobi $5,250
Book.mobi $5,250
Casa.mobi $5,200
Trade.mobi $5,200
Bills.mobi $5,100
Dinero.mobi $5,100
Pension.mobi $5,100
Webcams.mobi $4,500
Telephone.mobi $4,305
FreeDownloads.mobi $4,300
Images.mobi $3,500
Finanza.mobi $3,433
Mutualfunds.mobi $3,305
Pumps.mobi $3,200
Forum.mobi $3,101
Get.mobi $3,100
Hospitals.mobi $3,011
Automobiles.mobi $2,650
Surf.mobi $2,601
Calculator.mobi $2,550
Police.mobi $2,458
Webdesign.mobi $2,350
Image.mobi $2,178
Calendar.mobi $2,173
AntiSpam.mobi $2,050
Bed.mobi $1,875
Bag.mobi $1,700
Push.mobi $1,625
Qoutes.mobi $1,600
Automobile.mobi $1,550
Busca.mobi $1,500
SearchEngine.mobi $1,500
Chatrooms.mobi $1,485
Chats.mobi $1,485
Peace.mobi $1,363
FreeSoftware.mobi $1,350
Firstaid.mobi $1,250
Accidents.mobi $1,150
Hotstuff.mobi $1,050
Mp3Downloads.mobi $950
Telefono.mobi $750
Interviewtips.mobi $500
Debthelp.mobi $260
Creditdebt.mobi $210
Donwload.mobi $210

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Jeff

Exactly, and then linked posted here for our discussion purposes IMHO ... again, as I mentioned above, "good to read early opinions on his blog ... but we are all wise, at this time, to keep in mind that these are not yet completed and verified "reported sales"!"
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In other words, we won't know the actual Buyer's (and their development and promotion plans - remember, these referenced domains come with the "development requirements"!) until these sales are completed and verified (which is all completely normal course of busines, by the way ... and routinely published in the "reported sales" on the DNJ).

Congratulating unknown "winners" prior to any - Sedo (particularly Sedo, if history is any lesson), Traffic, Afternic, eBay, etc. - completed sales IS premature and should not be used as a "comp's" (an established comparable that has been - past tense - sold), IMHO.

Best of Luck to those considering bidding in any remaining auctions, as well!
-Jeff

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EJS

First off, I want to thank you guys for reading my blog post (and blog). I was trying to provide an unbiased opinion on names in the .mobi extension, specifically related to this auction. As I said, I think there is a long way to go before most buyers of these expensive names will realize any profits, as it's mostly speculation at this point.

IMO, the main thing that separates other extensions from the .com is marketing. If brands market their .mobi websites, consumers will use them. If brands don't direct consumers to the .mobi, it will become an unimportant extension. Based on a few cases of this slowly happening (I cited BofA.mobi), people are becoming more optimistic that .mobi will succeed. If that happens, the early .mobi speculators like Jeremy P. and Rick S. (off top of head) will see substantial returns.
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People can debate this all they want, but whatever happens will happen regardless of what is said here or anywhere. In time we will see...

Jeff

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Thank you, and good day kind Sir!
-Jeff

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Damn! I was going to say too, but now that Jeff has said it first...

Just...can't...bring myself...to do it...

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GeoOwners

Thanks for stopping in...more good, intelligent words...I agree, "people are becoming more optimistic that .mobi will succeed".

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[ QUOTE = Jeff ]Congratulating unknown "winners" prior to any - Sedo (particularly Sedo, if history is any lesson), Traffic, Afternic, eBay, etc. - completed sales IS premature and should not be used as a "comp's" (an established comparable that has been - past tense - sold), IMHO.[/QUOTE]

1. It is proper and professional and courteous to congratulate the successful bidders of an auction of good, solid names.

2. The TRAFFIC auction is a very high visibility auction with winning bidders that PAY for their won names. AGAIN, If you can, PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF otherwise of any HISTORY where TRAFFIC auction bidders did not pay. (If anyone reneged they would be ostracized on these forums.) Therefore, I consider them all valid final prices usable as sales comps - today.

3. The SEDO #1 .mobi auction was a also a very high visibility auction with winning bidders that I believe 100% will PAY for their won names. AGAIN, these SEDO auctions are of NO SERIOUS COMPARISON to the sometimes mentioned single-transaction non-payor auctions - especially at Ebay. (If anyone reneges they will be ostracized on these forums.) Therefore, I consider them all valid final prices usable as sales comps - today.

4. It is reasonable and intelligent to use ALL available and accessible data when making decisions on pricing and domain valuation. IMHO. The DNJournal is a commonly used and cited source of this compilation pricing data but they are not the only source of sales prices. It may be their policy to self-confirm prices and name transfer before posting sale price figures but that is their decision for their site. Individuals can use their own data sources (for example many, many private sales prices go unreported by DNJ) and make their own decisions about using prominent auction final prices as sales comps.

5. We might find out who some of the buyers are within the next month or so (some may decide to use privacy protected registrations) but most will not come on here and tell of their actual development plans. If one can't understand that then they do not understand business.

6. Whoever deems it necessary to wait until they know of actual development plans or see the developed sites (maybe in six month's time) before including these final auction sale prices in their arsenal of price comparison tools is well ... lacking in decisiveness and at a business disadvantage.

7. To assume that you personally know the .mobi market better than those actually buying and selling and seriously believing in the .mobi domain extension by insisting that these 90 new recent auctions "should not be used as a "comp's" is uh ... bad advice.

hawkeye

acc, though nicely put, and all true points, your post will fall, as all rebuttals of truth do, to the wayside, as he won't, doesn't, and will never listen to, accept, and even acknowledge anything other than his own 'blabbing about nothing' pov. He considers himself the expert of knowledge on this subject of .mobi, and is determined to undermine anyone's positive postings of this extension. The notations that he may just be a bot, may actually be true. We can only hope he'll move on to, and bestow upon, the .asia buyers his nonsensical preachings and jibberish.

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Completely agree with the bold.

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stscac

Exactly.
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So, everyone is free to post their opinions, as long as they stay within the thread topic. If someone has something to say outside of the topic, please do so in a new thread.

Thanks

-Steve