Do Sedo visitors (not all domainers) click on 'More' more than 50% of the time?

Mobi Cheap · 09-25-2007, 01:50 PM

As most of us know, most non-dot-coms are not allowed on Sedo's front page (even if the bidding in the final hours were to reach very high values).

What I don't know is this: will an exception be made for the MTLD portfolio this week?

The question of course assumes that the 100 MTLD .mobies will be left to rub shoulders with the rest of 'Closing Soon' domains on that vital page where the price-discovery magic of the free market is supposed to happen, but which only a small percentage of home page visitors probably ever click on (the one accessible via the third "More" button on the right).

Clearly all 100 won't make it to the front page, since they appear to be scheduled to end at exactly the same time (Oct/03/07 12:07 PM EST), which is why I am asking if the average (weekly) Sedo visitor at 12 PM would ever know they were minutes away from bagging any premium .mobi at extremely low prices.

It would be impractical and possibly confusing to list all the permutations in terms of voting options, so please feel free to expand on your predictions (and perhaps offer relevant recommendations for Sedo and MTLD) below.

runsome · 09-25-2007, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

...What I don't know is this: will an exception be made for the MTLD portfolio this week?...

Probably with all of the promotion they are putting into it... it's their site therefore they can change the rules. We'll see, but i'm willing to bet they will at least allow the most active .mobis to be displayed in the "Auction Listings" section. But no matter what, you will have to click "more" to see them all. (Most people visiting a domain site should know to do this.)

Mobi Cheap · 09-25-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by runsome

Probably with all of the promotion they are putting into it... it's their site therefore they can change the rules. We'll see, but i'm willing to bet they will at least allow the most active .mobis to be displayed in the "Auction Listings" section. But no matter what, you will have to click "more" to see them all. (Most people visiting a domain site should know to do this.)

I sure hope you're right!

namewaiter · 09-25-2007, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by runsome

Probably with all of the promotion they are putting into it... it's their site therefore they can change the rules. We'll see, but i'm willing to bet they will at least allow the most active .mobis to be displayed in the "Auction Listings" section. But no matter what, you will have to click "more" to see them all. (Most people visiting a domain site should know to do this.)

i agree, or they could have a special .mobi running acutions section?

Mobi Cheap · 09-25-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

i agree, or they could have a special .mobi running acutions section?

Namewaiter, that's clearly an excellent idea - especially if mere mortals like us are allowed to have domains closing there.

Yet with about 17 hours to go, what would you say is the probability of that happening?

Jeff · 09-25-2007, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Yet with about 17 hours to go, what would you say is the probability of that happening?

Slim probability, IMHO ... though I agree it's an excellent idea!

Specifically, what has Sedo done thus far to promote these premium .MOBI's ... including to End user / developers IYHO's? Did I see that they emailed some folks with prior interest in .MOBI's? Am I missing something currently on the Sedo home page about this particular week-long event?

Thanks for the post / poll, as well.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/378028-vote-will-any-premium-mtld-100-a.html
-Jeff

aggieuk · 09-25-2007, 11:47 PM

Sedo are a bunch of baffoons! IMHO they are so stupid they most probably won't put them on the home page, and they will most probably leave the .mobi search selection down in the maze of CCTLDs when obviously for any normal sane person .mobi is a TLD!

But then again Sedo are a money grabbing bunch of idiots so maybe they will do something special like a home page feature to fatten their wallets yet drop it totally afterwards as they have made their money!!

Sorry for the rant but i think everyone will agree pretty much to 75% of it!!!

Pred · 09-26-2007, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by aggieuk

Sedo are a bunch of baffoons! IMHO they are so stupid they most probably won't put them on the home page, and they will most probably leave the .mobi search selection down in the maze of CCTLDs when obviously for any normal sane person .mobi is a TLD!

But then again Sedo are a money grabbing bunch of idiots so maybe they will do something special like a home page feature to fatten their wallets yet drop it totally afterwards as they have made their money!!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

Sorry for the rant but i think everyone will agree pretty much to 75% of it!!!

nope!

i agree 100% Christopher

aggieuk · 09-26-2007, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by arnie

nope!

i agree 100% Christopher

LOL! Cheers bud!

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by aggieuk

... and they will most probably leave the .mobi search selection down in the maze of CCTLDs when obviously for any normal sane person .mobi is a TLD!...

Oh dear!

And I was wondering why I get most of my sales enquiries directly, even though all of my NNN.mobies are listed on Sedo (and I must admit they are only listed there - OK, and on NamePros in the last few days - but how stupid do I feel now)!

aggieuk · 09-26-2007, 08:30 AM

They know about this problem as many many mobi domainers have emailled Sedo to attempt to correct this yet all they will do is fob you off by saying the design team are looking at it! They ain't I assure you! They are sitting down eating donuts and msn messaging their other halfs!!! Why do you think sales take so long etc??? LOL!

Just sent this to Sedo's marketing bod!!! Lets see if any action is taken this time or not! My next port of call will be MTLD to inform them of the cluster f**k that Sedo is!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

Hello Kate,

as a domainer and mobile website developer i'd just like to voice my disgust to those at Sedo for a moment!

I think it's very cheeky and ignorant that you take the commission money for auctioning the premium mobi domains and yet:

1. You do not dare list any mobi's in the homepage closing soon section of the auction operation, only .com's or other TLD's occasionally!

2. That the mobi in the domain search page (I will provide a link below!) Lists the mobi in and amongst the CCTLD's with are in their hundreds!!! When mobi IS A TLD itself!! So therefore should be listed up around where the .com and nets are etc! The exact location is the drop down box with the word EXTENSION above it! You will probably find you will sell more mobi's by placing the TLD in the correct area!!!

http://sedo.com/search/searchresult....id=&language=e

I have and i know of a good few more people who have complained about these worries before yet we are always fobbed off with some excuse! If i can find an email for proof i will send it your way but i most probably deleted it in disgust!

Sedo really need to pull their socks up in all departments and soon! Competition is starting to get fierce and because of a serious lack of attention to detail, enthusiasm and competency your company WILL fall behind and be forgotten about! In this day and age it doesn't take 3 or 4 weeks to transfer a domain name, and if someone is off for their holidays you get a replacement who has always had a full handover!!!!

If you require any further explanation of any section of this letter please be my guest and i will expand.

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 10:08 AM

And they are off!

All 100 ending in 6d 23h 59m!

Jeff · 09-26-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

All 100 ending in 6d 23h 59m!

^ I'm sorry, but that is INSANE!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

Good Luck, friends.
-Jeff

Pred · 09-26-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff

^ I'm sorry, but that is INSANE!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

Good Luck, friends.
-Jeff

I totally agree Jeff

Jeff · 09-26-2007, 11:26 AM

Amen!

See you soon.
-Jeff

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

And they are off!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

All 100 ending in 6d 23h 59m!

First two hours' tally (including bids where reserves haven't been met): $US 37,731.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 3,169,404 final tally on current form, right?

Wrong, of course.

The first and last few hours were always supposed to be very different from the mid-point average.

In this case I'm not sure we can count too much on the last few hours, so we'd better not slow down too fast here!

If you need an update on the current total and the projected final tally, just post here (as opposed to PM-ing me) and I should be able to respond pretty quickly.

Jeff · 09-26-2007, 12:49 PM

Good early analysis, Mr. MC ... of course, THE most important thing is ultimately getting these premiums developed and added into the developed "ecosystem" in the very near-term, IMHO.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

That being said, and while the Sedo auctions are concurrent ... keeping an eye on the bids at and above the respective "Reserve Prices" to hopefully speculate on the future owner and then their hopeful respective development plans!

I wonder what the tally is - VERY EARLY, I understand ... not including bids where those Reserves haven't been met? IYHO's. Also, I wonder about the bidders ... realistically, do you think any actual End users / developers are or will be bidding in these?

Good stuff, thanks again.
-Jeff

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 01:09 PM

Jeff, these are the new entrants into the ecosystem (hopefully your definition of the term, but of course one cannot be sure) as at 3PM EST:

Reserve met images.mobi
Reserve met insurance.mobi
Reserve met free.mobi
Reserve met get.mobi
Reserve met index.mobi
Reserve met firstaid.mobi
Reserve met pumps.mobi
Reserve met cricket.mobi
Reserve met currency.mobi
Reserve met debthelp.mobi
Reserve met finanza.mobi
Reserve met hospitals.mobi
Reserve met pension.mobi
Reserve met push.mobi
Reserve met qoutes.mobi

More later...

scandiman · 09-26-2007, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Also, I wonder about the bidders ... realistically, do you think any actual End users / developers are or will be bidding in these?

If they are not now then they will be after winning the auction. Anyone feel free to PM me for a link to more info from mTLD about how they evaluate the finished sites.

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 02:12 PM

Wait a minute, what is this strange thing?

Has anyone else noticed an anomaly in the list of names expiring all at the same time on Oct 3rd (I guess I should stop calling them the MTLD 100 at this point)?

allnicksgone · 09-26-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

Wait a minute, what is this strange thing?

Has anyone else noticed an anomaly in the list of names expiring all at the same time on Oct 3rd (I guess I should stop calling them the MTLD 100 at this point)?

You mean Oct. 3 2008?

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by allnicksgone

You mean Oct. 3 2008?

I was thinking of something else, but good spot if it says 2008 somewhere, that would be fun!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

Change of subject:

First five hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 73,590.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,472,624 extrapolated final tally if current average holds (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

Could be worse I suppose.

I won't be around for a little while, hope to be able to update my spreadsheet later in the evening (most likely after Europe is done for the day).

Pred · 09-26-2007, 05:15 PM

Bump

Mobi Cheap · 09-26-2007, 05:25 PM

Thanks Arnie!

7PM Update:

First seven hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 96,355.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,312,520 extrapolated final tally if current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

There is probably still some juice left in Europe, it's only midnight in good old England.

8PM Update:

First eight hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 98,680.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,072,280 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

9PM Update:

First nine hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 104,688.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 1,954,176 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

10PM Update:

First ten hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 129,151.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,169,737 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

Grrrrrreat! Even the extrapolated final totals have stopped dropping now, we're above $2m again!

Thank you Asia, and/or California (said in an Arnie sort of voice )!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

12 Noon Update (End of Day 1):

FIRST DAY's tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 234,338.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 1,640,366 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

No comment from me for now, what do you guys think

Jeff · 09-27-2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mobi Cheap

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

12 Noon Update (End of Day 1):

FIRST DAY's tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 234,338.

7 days = 168 hours = US$ 1,640,366 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun)

No comment from me for now, what do you guys think

You see how the "extrapolated final tally" (including bids where reserves have not been met) has gone DOWN somewhat dramatically (with one exception) over time ... and as more time passes?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028

It's this trend that I'm closely following, and adding in a second (and perhaps third) calculation to factor in where reserves have been met -- >> to arrive at a reasonable end-time cummulative total tally (all in FUN, of course)!

Awesome running stats, thanks Mr. MC.
-Jeff

View Poll Results: Will the average Sedo visitor at 12 PM see the bidding for any premium .mobi at all?
No, less than 50% of Sedo visitors will click on the right "More" button	4	33.33%
Yes, the average visitor is not very different from the average domainer - more than 50% of the time	6	50.00%
I'll tell you what I think below	2	16.67%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 12. You may not vote on this poll

09-25-2007, 01:50 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Do Sedo visitors (not all domainers) click on 'More' more than 50% of the time? As most of us know, most non-dot-coms are not allowed on Sedo's front page (even if the bidding in the final hours were to reach very high values). What I don't know is this: will an exception be made for the MTLD portfolio this week? The question of course assumes that the 100 MTLD .mobies will be left to rub shoulders with the rest of 'Closing Soon' domains on that vital page where the price-discovery magic of the free market is supposed to happen, but which only a small percentage of home page visitors probably ever click on (the one accessible via the third "More" button on the right). Clearly all 100 won't make it to the front page, since they appear to be scheduled to end at exactly the same time (Oct/03/07 12:07 PM EST), which is why I am asking if the average (weekly) Sedo visitor at 12 PM would ever know they were minutes away from bagging any premium .mobi at extremely low prices. It would be impractical and possibly confusing to list all the permutations in terms of voting options, so please feel free to expand on your predictions (and perhaps offer relevant recommendations for Sedo and MTLD) below. __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi Last edited by Mobi Cheap; 09-25-2007 at 02:22 PM.

09-25-2007, 11:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
aggieuk NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Posts: 747	Sedo are a bunch of baffoons! IMHO they are so stupid they most probably won't put them on the home page, and they will most probably leave the .mobi search selection down in the maze of CCTLDs when obviously for any normal sane person .mobi is a TLD! But then again Sedo are a money grabbing bunch of idiots so maybe they will do something special like a home page feature to fatten their wallets yet drop it totally afterwards as they have made their money!! Sorry for the rant but i think everyone will agree pretty much to 75% of it!!! __________________ Plymouth.mobi Torbay.mobi Personnel.mobi Bookmakers.mobi Merchandise.mobi My mobi portfolio Mobi-Broker.com

09-26-2007, 08:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
aggieuk NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: UK Posts: 747	They know about this problem as many many mobi domainers have emailled Sedo to attempt to correct this yet all they will do is fob you off by saying the design team are looking at it! They ain't I assure you! They are sitting down eating donuts and msn messaging their other halfs!!! Why do you think sales take so long etc??? LOL! Just sent this to Sedo's marketing bod!!! Lets see if any action is taken this time or not! My next port of call will be MTLD to inform them of the cluster fk that Sedo is! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028 Hello Kate, as a domainer and mobile website developer i'd just like to voice my disgust to those at Sedo for a moment! I think it's very cheeky and ignorant that you take the commission money for auctioning the premium mobi domains and yet: 1. You do not dare list any mobi's in the homepage closing soon section of the auction operation, only .com's or other TLD's occasionally! 2. That the mobi in the domain search page (I will provide a link below!) Lists the mobi in and amongst the CCTLD's with are in their hundreds!!! When mobi IS A TLD itself!! So therefore should be listed up around where the .com and nets are etc! The exact location is the drop down box with the word EXTENSION above it! You will probably find you will sell more mobi's by placing the TLD in the correct area!!! http://sedo.com/search/searchresult....id=&language=e I have and i know of a good few more people who have complained about these worries before yet we are always fobbed off with some excuse! If i can find an email for proof i will send it your way but i most probably deleted it in disgust! Sedo really need to pull their socks up in all departments and soon! Competition is starting to get fierce and because of a serious lack of attention to detail, enthusiasm and competency your company WILL fall behind and be forgotten about! In this day and age it doesn't take 3 or 4 weeks to transfer a domain name, and if someone is off for their holidays you get a replacement who has always had a full handover!!!! If you require any further explanation of any section of this letter please be my guest and i will expand. __________________ Plymouth.mobi Torbay.mobi Personnel.mobi Bookmakers.mobi Merchandise.mobi** My mobi portfolio Mobi-Broker.com

09-26-2007, 10:08 AM	THREAD STARTER #12 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	And they are off! All 100 ending in 6d 23h 59m! __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi Last edited by Mobi Cheap; 09-26-2007 at 10:13 AM.

09-26-2007, 11:26 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	Amen! See you soon. -Jeff __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

09-26-2007, 12:49 PM	#17 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	Good early analysis, Mr. MC ... of course, THE most important thing is ultimately getting these premiums developed and added into the developed "ecosystem" in the very near-term, IMHO. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=378028 That being said, and while the Sedo auctions are concurrent ... keeping an eye on the bids at and above the respective "Reserve Prices" to hopefully speculate on the future owner and then their hopeful respective development plans! I wonder what the tally is - VERY EARLY, I understand ... not including bids where those Reserves haven't been met? IYHO's. Also, I wonder about the bidders ... realistically, do you think any actual End users / developers are or will be bidding in these? Good stuff, thanks again. -Jeff __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

09-26-2007, 01:09 PM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Jeff, these are the new entrants into the ecosystem (hopefully your definition of the term, but of course one cannot be sure) as at 3PM EST: Reserve met images.mobi Reserve met insurance.mobi Reserve met free.mobi Reserve met get.mobi Reserve met index.mobi Reserve met firstaid.mobi Reserve met pumps.mobi Reserve met cricket.mobi Reserve met currency.mobi Reserve met debthelp.mobi Reserve met finanza.mobi Reserve met hospitals.mobi Reserve met pension.mobi Reserve met push.mobi Reserve met qoutes.mobi More later... __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

09-26-2007, 02:12 PM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Wait a minute, what is this strange thing? Has anyone else noticed an anomaly in the list of names expiring all at the same time on Oct 3rd (I guess I should stop calling them the MTLD 100 at this point)? __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi

09-26-2007, 05:15 PM	#23 (permalink)
Pred Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,713	Bump

09-26-2007, 05:25 PM	THREAD STARTER #24 (permalink)
Mobi Cheap Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,212	Thanks Arnie! 7PM Update: First seven hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 96,355. 7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,312,520 extrapolated final tally if current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun) There is probably still some juice left in Europe, it's only midnight in good old England. 8PM Update: First eight hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 98,680. 7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,072,280 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun) 9PM Update: First nine hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 104,688. 7 days = 168 hours = US$ 1,954,176 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun) 10PM Update: First ten hours' tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 129,151. 7 days = 168 hours = US$ 2,169,737 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun) Grrrrrreat! Even the extrapolated final totals have stopped dropping now, we're above $2m again! Thank you Asia, and/or California (said in an Arnie sort of voice )!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 12 Noon Update (End of Day 1): FIRST DAY's tally (including bids where reserves have not been met): $US 234,338. 7 days = 168 hours = US$ 1,640,366 extrapolated final tally assuming current average remains unchanged (which it won't, of course; this is just for fun) No comment from me for now, what do you guys think __________________ Bulk NNN offers being discussed. All firm commitments will be honored. All PM discussions must be finalized ASAP. ~~~ .Mobi Examples:BusinessWeek.mobi, ESPN.mobi, CNNmoney.mobi, weather.mobi, ericsson.mobi, wnba.mobi, NBA.mobi, marriott.mobi, smirnoff.mobi, polo.mobi, BMW.mobi, AAA.mobi, ferrari.mobi Last edited by Mobi Cheap; 09-27-2007 at 10:44 AM.

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Do Sedo visitors (not all domainers) click on 'More' more than 50% of the time?

Imho.