If .mobi was .com, how much would you be worth according to Estibot?

**-REECE-** · 08-26-2007, 09:15 AM

In light of recent events, I think it's time to start some hype

Estibot sometimes appraises too high, sometimes too low. I think it's a fair tool to use for determining an average value for .com portfolios. It's .mobi values are oftentimes way off, hence the use of .com and then taking a fraction of that (say 1% or so) as a valuation.

Note: This is not meant to compare the two, merely to suggest that there's a lot of room to grow. I just went through my top 50 or so and it seems I'm worth >10mm should .mobi = .com...

This may just be a learning experience too! Some of the names I had forgotten I had regged ended up with extremely high Wordtrackers and values higher than my favorite names

How much are you "worth" under those circumstances?

Pred · 08-26-2007, 09:18 AM

Think say saying .mobi as 5% of value more than good enough tbh

It'll make enough people rich enough hypothetically & keep our feet on ground. Think is a fair figure . 5%
Anyone else?
1% too small imo
LLL mobi been undervalued too long. no reason they cant be going for a good sum. not xxx

edited:
as comparable with estibot, 5% of com i think is a realistic selling price

allnicksgone · 08-26-2007, 09:18 AM

Like my Grandpa Willy used to say, "And if 'ifs' were fifths, we would all be drunk."

Pred · 08-26-2007, 09:19 AM

I prefer the old addage my grandad used to say:

"If my uncle had tits he'd be my auntie"

**-REECE-** · 08-26-2007, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnie

I prefer the prefer the old addage my grandad used to say:

"If my uncle had tits he'd be my auntie"

ROFL

Arnie, you always crack me up

Looking through my names... Was amazed to see KitchenSinks.com appraised at 400k. Not exactly what I would have guessed being in my Top 10... But it does have a 998 WT Predict, so who am I to judge

Pred · 08-26-2007, 09:25 AM

LOL
So what we gotta do, enter your mobis into estibot as if a com & take a percentage of value?
ya?
i've got that many it'll take all day. might be fun to try a few & guess though

**-REECE-** · 08-26-2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnie

LOL
So what we gotta do, enter your mobis into estibot as if a com & take a percentage of value?
ya?
i've got that many it'll take all day. might be fun to try a few & guess though

Yeah lol

I use Estibot all the time to get Overture numbers... Loads faster for me than Overture does. And then I get nice information on the amount of Google results, anchor text, etc. The appraisals are fun too and pretty accurate for most .coms.

hawkeye · 08-26-2007, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

I just went through my top 50 or so and it seems I'm worth >10mm should .mobi = .com...
...

..then there 'hypothetically' of course, could be some potential multi-billionaires here!

Quote:

Originally Posted by allnicksgone

Like my Grandpa Willy used to say, "And if 'ifs' were fifths, we would all be drunk."

LOL.

italiandragon · 08-26-2007, 09:29 AM

italian translated in english:

"if my grandpa had 3 balls he was a pinball !!!

"

**-REECE-** · 08-26-2007, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkeye

..then there 'hypothetically' of course, could be some potential multi-billionaires here!

For sure

Doesn't take much in .com to be worth 100k+ nowadays. Pretty much any non-verb dictionary word with 10k overture will yield that...

Pred · 08-26-2007, 09:33 AM

well. checked one

toad .mobi

toad.com comes up at about $88k which sounds about right
toad.mobi comes out at $900
so according to estibot about 1% like you say

now i would never sell for that & believe worth a lot more even now

so, if we base like you say on 1% of com, i'll post my worth

italiandragon · 08-26-2007, 09:42 AM

Cairns.com appraised at $130,000
Cairns.mobi appraised at $1,100

**-REECE-** · 08-26-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by italiandragon

Cairns.com appraised at $130,000
Cairns.mobi appraised at $1,100

It's gotten a lot better at appraising .mobis lately... Still a few big glitches here and there though.

Cya.com appraised at $35,000
Cya.mobi appraised at $300 (I paid $311 for it)

Arv.com appraised at $26000
Arv.mobi appraised at $3600 (I wish

)

italiandragon · 08-26-2007, 09:58 AM

damn....I sold ruk.mobi for $300 to Meek and it`s appraised at $2,000

scandiman · 08-26-2007, 10:00 AM

gaming.com
Valuation for domain name only : USD 320,000
Valuation considering traffic: USD 5,700,000

gaming.mobi
Valuation: USD 2,400

Needless to say, my .mobi is NOT for sale at the estibot price.

italiandragon · 08-26-2007, 10:03 AM

It seems that if the .us ext is not taken , then the name is worthless.....that`s a big laught.....you put a name there with overture of 1 million in your country and it says reg fee....whatever.

quasar1138 · 08-26-2007, 10:10 AM

Estibot is an interesting tool. It uses typical resources and mathematical algorithims to estimate values of domain names. Like many of the domain valuation tools being used to estimating name values on the Net, they all have significant limitations to their calculations. One would really have to use some common sense when valuing domains like the commercial aspects of the name being considered in order to determine a good judgment of a domain's value.

When you put in flowers.mobi, estibot comes up with $62,000.00.
When you put in flowers.com, estibot comes up with $10,000,000.00.
The percentage value of flowers.mobi to flowers.com was less than 1% percent.

Yet when you put in Internet.mobi, estibot comes up with $44,000.00.
Yet when you put in Internet.com, estibot comes up with $3,200,000.00.
The percentage value of Internet.mobi to Internet.com is approx 1.3% percent.

When you put in cars.mobi, estibot comes up with $71,000.00.
When you put in cars.com, estibot comes up with $12,000,000.00.
The percentage value of cars.mobi to cars.com is also less than 1% percent.

When you put in phone.mobi, estibot comes up with $35,000.00.
When you put in phone.com, estibot comes up with $2,500,000.00.
The percentage value of phone.mobi to phone.com is approx 1.4% percent.

You see the pattern? A good accountant or statistician could give you the "mean curve" of what these tools valuations would come out to. This is why you have to use some common sense and other mechanisms to determine what an actual value of a domain name is worth.

I have done my own valuation of my Mobis and I submitted that in the survey but as I indicated earlier, automated tools have significant limitations for determining real values of a domain names. Just a thought to ponder and consider. ;-)

seanboy · 08-26-2007, 10:19 AM

Stomp.com (name only) - $110,000
Stomp.com (w/ traffic) - $120,000
Stomp.mobi - $1,600

dentalpro · 08-26-2007, 10:27 AM

I would say 1-2 % ratio...higher surely for great words.

.

Estibot:

Christy.com 80k
Christy.mobi 900$

close to 1%

vJRB · 08-26-2007, 10:33 AM

edit--

allnicksgone · 08-26-2007, 11:12 AM

Ok, I played along. The 20 names I now have would be worth $2,347,470.

If anybody wants to buy my portfolio right now, I will sell it at only 1% which is $23,474. Hurry before I change my mind.

**garrett200** · 08-26-2007, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arnie

I prefer the old addage my grandad used to say:

"If my uncle had tits he'd be my auntie"

Just give me tits.mobi and you can have every other name in my portfolio.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scandiman

gaming.com
Valuation for domain name only : USD 320,000
Valuation considering traffic: USD 5,700,000

gaming.mobi
Valuation: USD 2,400

Needless to say, my .mobi is NOT for sale at the estibot price.

That's the main problem with estibot. There are certain names that are inherently more valuable "just because", and it doesn't really take that into account. If someone bought gaming.com for 320,000, that would be a steal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

In light of recent events, I think it's time to start some hype

How much are you "worth" under those circumstances?

HMMMM, I wonder, did someone inspire this poll?

estibot.com · 08-26-2007, 12:39 PM

Wow.... thanks a lot for testing! And the .mobi folks, too

I was wondering why my server was feeling so clogged.

Quote:

Originally Posted by italiandragon

It seems that if the .us ext is not taken , then the name is worthless.....that`s a big laught.....you put a name there with overture of 1 million in your country and it says reg fee....whatever.

Actually, while it is true that .us availability (as other availablitities) is one factor, it is one of the smaller factors and is tied to many other factors so it shouldn't make that big of a difference. But I will test it and see whether it somehow affects the .mobi valuations more than I thought.

Quote:

Originally Posted by garrett200

HMMMM, I wonder, did someone inspire this poll?

Well, I can say that it wasn't me. I was surprised to see this (although happy that I get .mobi feedback!). I only spontaneously talk about EstiBot in my thread in the advertising/for sale board. I feel that I am entitled to respond though if someone else wants to talk about it.

.mobi is hard to valuate. Market is not stable and there is not enough recent data for me - I cannot get reliable statistical results. And about gaming.com, yes it is true that some names have intrinsic value that is beyond the metrics, and that surely is a limitation of automated algorithms. But what it does say is that gaming.com is valuable, it just does not say how valuable exactly, and it is up to the user to make that final valuation.

Thanks anyway for testing, your comments help me in the development. I will adjust the .mobi valuations as I get more data and more analyses done.
Josh

EDIT: Forgot to mention - please try all lowercase first. EstiBot is more accurate when it gets to automatically determine the keywords. Only if you think the keyword determination is wrong, then try capitalization, and also with eDomains capitalization is needed: iDomain.com, eDomain.com.

Sorry about that inconvenience but I can't make the keyword detection perfect....

Josh

mjnels · 08-26-2007, 12:59 PM

i dont have any mobees

keithmt · 08-26-2007, 01:50 PM

Here's a few I just checked...that was fun.

chocolatier $160,000
jumprope $190,000
exerciseball $150,000 (I regged this yesterday)
clementine $130,000

I guess if mobi is even half of .com it's all good

I'll be thinking twice before I sell anymore for $xx or $xxx.

View Poll Results: If .mobi was .com, how much would you be worth according to Estibot?
$5,000,000+	11	28.21%
$1,000,000-$5,000,000	12	30.77%
$100,000-$1,000,000	6	15.38%
<$100,000	3	7.69%
<$10,000	3	7.69%
I don't have any .mobis	4	10.26%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

08-26-2007, 09:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
-REECE- www.LLLL.com Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,795 0.36 NP$ (Donate)	If .mobi was .com, how much would you be worth according to Estibot? In light of recent events, I think it's time to start some hype Estibot sometimes appraises too high, sometimes too low. I think it's a fair tool to use for determining an average value for .com portfolios. It's .mobi values are oftentimes way off, hence the use of .com and then taking a fraction of that (say 1% or so) as a valuation. Note: This is not meant to compare the two, merely to suggest that there's a lot of room to grow. I just went through my top 50 or so and it seems I'm worth >10mm should .mobi = .com... This may just be a learning experience too! Some of the names I had forgotten I had regged ended up with extremely high Wordtrackers and values higher than my favorite names How much are you "worth" under those circumstances? __________________ Buy 200 for $0.75 Per www.LLLL.com

08-26-2007, 09:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Pred Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,725 0.56 NP$ (Donate)	Think say saying .mobi as 5% of value more than good enough tbh It'll make enough people rich enough hypothetically & keep our feet on ground. Think is a fair figure . 5% Anyone else? 1% too small imo LLL mobi been undervalued too long. no reason they cant be going for a good sum. not xxx edited: as comparable with estibot, 5% of com i think is a realistic selling price Last edited by arnie; 08-26-2007 at 09:31 AM.

08-26-2007, 09:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
Pred Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,725 0.56 NP$ (Donate)	I prefer the old addage my grandad used to say: "If my uncle had tits he'd be my auntie" Last edited by arnie; 08-26-2007 at 09:23 AM.

08-26-2007, 09:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	italian translated in english: "if my grandpa had 3 balls he was a pinball !!! " __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

08-26-2007, 09:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
allnicksgone NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 666 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Like my Grandpa Willy used to say, "And if 'ifs' were fifths, we would all be drunk."

08-26-2007, 09:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
Pred Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,725 0.56 NP$ (Donate)	LOL So what we gotta do, enter your mobis into estibot as if a com & take a percentage of value? ya? i've got that many it'll take all day. might be fun to try a few & guess though

08-26-2007, 09:33 AM	#11 (permalink)
Pred Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,725 0.56 NP$ (Donate)	well. checked one toad .mobi toad.com comes up at about $88k which sounds about right toad.mobi comes out at $900 so according to estibot about 1% like you say now i would never sell for that & believe worth a lot more even now so, if we base like you say on 1% of com, i'll post my worth

08-26-2007, 09:42 AM	#12 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	Cairns.com appraised at $130,000 Cairns.mobi appraised at $1,100 __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

08-26-2007, 09:58 AM	#14 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	damn....I sold ruk.mobi for $300 to Meek and it`s appraised at $2,000 __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

08-26-2007, 10:00 AM	#15 (permalink)
scandiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: living in exile Posts: 3,618 521.00 NP$ (Donate)	gaming.com Valuation for domain name only : USD 320,000 Valuation considering traffic: USD 5,700,000 gaming.mobi Valuation: USD 2,400 Needless to say, my .mobi is NOT for sale at the estibot price.

08-26-2007, 10:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	It seems that if the .us ext is not taken , then the name is worthless.....that`s a big laught.....you put a name there with overture of 1 million in your country and it says reg fee....whatever. __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

08-26-2007, 10:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
quasar1138 NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATL Posts: 154 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Estibot is an interesting tool. It uses typical resources and mathematical algorithims to estimate values of domain names. Like many of the domain valuation tools being used to estimating name values on the Net, they all have significant limitations to their calculations. One would really have to use some common sense when valuing domains like the commercial aspects of the name being considered in order to determine a good judgment of a domain's value. When you put in flowers.mobi, estibot comes up with $62,000.00. When you put in flowers.com, estibot comes up with $10,000,000.00. The percentage value of flowers.mobi to flowers.com was less than 1% percent. Yet when you put in Internet.mobi, estibot comes up with $44,000.00. Yet when you put in Internet.com, estibot comes up with $3,200,000.00. The percentage value of Internet.mobi to Internet.com is approx 1.3% percent. When you put in cars.mobi, estibot comes up with $71,000.00. When you put in cars.com, estibot comes up with $12,000,000.00. The percentage value of cars.mobi to cars.com is also less than 1% percent. When you put in phone.mobi, estibot comes up with $35,000.00. When you put in phone.com, estibot comes up with $2,500,000.00. The percentage value of phone.mobi to phone.com is approx 1.4% percent. You see the pattern? A good accountant or statistician could give you the "mean curve" of what these tools valuations would come out to. This is why you have to use some common sense and other mechanisms to determine what an actual value of a domain name is worth. I have done my own valuation of my Mobis and I submitted that in the survey but as I indicated earlier, automated tools have significant limitations for determining real values of a domain names. Just a thought to ponder and consider. ;-) __________________ It is not the years, it's the mileage. ;-)

08-26-2007, 10:19 AM	#18 (permalink)
seanboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,188 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Stomp.com (name only) - $110,000 Stomp.com (w/ traffic) - $120,000 Stomp.mobi - $1,600

08-26-2007, 10:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
dentalpro Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Near Chicago Posts: 2,217 69.20 NP$ (Donate)	I would say 1-2 % ratio...higher surely for great words. . Estibot: Christy.com 80k Christy.mobi 900$ close to 1% __________________ ChicagoMeetup.org

08-26-2007, 10:33 AM	#20 (permalink)
vJRB Namepros Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,071 81.25 NP$ (Donate)	edit-- Last edited by vJRB; 08-26-2007 at 12:58 PM.

08-26-2007, 11:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
allnicksgone NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 666 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Ok, I played along. The 20 names I now have would be worth $2,347,470. If anybody wants to buy my portfolio right now, I will sell it at only 1% which is $23,474. Hurry before I change my mind.

08-26-2007, 12:59 PM	#24 (permalink)
mjnels Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 2,097 357.00 NP$ (Donate)	i dont have any mobees

08-26-2007, 01:50 PM	#25 (permalink)
keithmt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mobiville Posts: 2,115 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Here's a few I just checked...that was fun. chocolatier $160,000 jumprope $190,000 exerciseball $150,000 (I regged this yesterday) clementine $130,000 I guess if mobi is even half of .com it's all good I'll be thinking twice before I sell anymore for $xx or $xxx. __________________ NP... mobi at it's finest :talk: :cool: uin~sportswear~sportscast~dat~denim~registries devil~pope~worldview~cocoa~hash~orb~fudge~sis r-i-b.com~c-s-n.com~n-o-r.com~d-n-f.com~a-c-p.com~s-e-p.com~t-o-i.com

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