eyedomainous

Its not mobile browising, yet. But I can see how a mobi page could be built into the left column of a standard webpage... and only that column would load for mobile and the full page would load for pc's. This way a dotmobi website could serve mobile and fixed users.

See:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/adactio/videos/1/61.052/

nombre

very interesting

tag this scheme #147 to try and force a full-sized web page into the small screen of a mobile phone

no doubt there will be 148, 149 on up to infinity ...

the problem will never go away that you have a small screen (1.5 x 2 say) and a web page with a complex mix of data and graphics (say ny times, or microsoft, etc) and you have to come up with algorthms, proxys, scripts etc to re-format this on the fly to make it look good, load fast and be readable on a cell phone ...

this is very difficult to do

mtld has come up with a better solution ... a domain that is specific to mobile phones and which developers can develop and code for specifically _if_ they really want to get in the mobile space, if they don't then just don't a mobi ...if a company is serious about the mobile space they will take the time and trouble to serve it properly

this is really the simplest, cheapest and most workable solution in the long run ...much simpler than trying all of these techy solutions

i really think that the non-techie user who doesn't like pc's or cellphones but just merely _uses_ them wants to use it briefly to get specific pieces of information and then move on ...above all, he wants it to _work_ not look good

-REECE-

Agreed. I think a CSS solution like I've implemented on my site is about as far as one can get to providing both an enjoyable desktop experience, while still providing all the mobile content the extension was made for, and scoring well under mtld's guidelines.

Before I arrived at a CSS solution, I experimented with some stuff -- images, fancy "graphic links", but the conclusion I came to was as Nombre said -- it's better to have the content there and easy to access rather than having it all fancy, especially while some people are still paying boatloads for these fancy "mini-desktop" designs.

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eyedomainous

Are we looking at the same video???

Take another look (try the open mind/open eyes method) ... the "microformat" / mobile content is (only) in the left column... hence the term 'microformat'. There is no "full-size" page in this context ... only a micro-format and a macro-format... for mobile and desktop users repectively and simultaneously.

The mobile phone only takes content from the mobile microformat column. It Does Not "force a full-sized web page into the small screen of a mobile phone".

It is possible to frame a page to serve both... mobile and desktop visitors, without forcing the pc page on the mobile user or the mobile page on the pc user!

Personally I would like to serve All people, in both markets... with my .mobi domains. Because its just plain good business. The 'be a crippled site or we will "disable" the site' makes no sense to me when I know that I can serve all of the WORLD WIDE WEB... with my .mobi domains. To prevent me from doing so is a very serious restraint of trade issue... IMHO.

-REECE-

I couldn't agree more. IMO, their only rules should be that the site resolves effectively and does not cost a boatload on cell phones. If someone comes up with a creative way to display content, I see no reason to punish him for it, by disabling his site, because it doesn't conform to the standards put in place before such technology was envisioned. Imagine what computing would be like if we held Bill Gates to some of the things he's said/done!

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nombre

it's another scheme which will require it's own coding challenge and will still run into problems rendering consistently across all phones etc

it doesn't respect the end user because it uses a complex solution rather than a simple one ...

if your'e serious about the mobile web market take the time to create a website for the mobile web user who will be accessing with thousands of phones with dozens of browsers at a variety of speeds

why not just make it simple by agreeing with the mtld on a simple set of standards and then _build up_ from there?

ill say it again, mobi is a hail mary pass, if the backers really believed any of this stuff would work they wouldn't have bothered to create the domain