dotMOBI can learn from .TV....

BocaVision · 05-18-2007, 08:30 PM

Showcased below are the sticky rules within the .tv subforum.

Perhaps, our MOBI community will adopt these rules for our special dotmobi subforum to foster consistency & harmony among subforums and to purge the naysaying anti-MOBI trolls who often express very snarky and disingenuous comments.

1 APPRAISAL thread in a 48 hour period

Meaning if you want an opinion on xxxxx.tv and then two hours later you regged nnnnnn.tv add it to that thread.

2 OFF topic posts will be deleted
Meaning someone asking for an opinion on a specific topic and the poster ignores that and rambles on about something unrelated. That includes posting your names for sale in a discussion thread

3 Derogatory posts will be deleted
Posts that flame or have no relevance to the conversation, if you want to rant go in the break room. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED HERE No PROFANITY

4. Sales threads in the .tv marketplace only

5. No links to other forums or posts that are advertising in nature promoting domains, extensions or parked domains
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6. You don't like .tv? Great keep your posts in General Discussion this is a subforum for people who do like .tv Hating or bashing posts will be deleted

7. If you are posting a site you own of are affiliated with, post that in the .tv marketplace with the PREFIX Advertising/

Here is the link to the rules of the .tv subforum:
http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/21669...rum-rules.html

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 08:37 PM

Seems reasonable to me. If it is OK in .tv then why not in .mobi subforum? I've asked about this before but got nowhere with it. Instead I was accused of trying to censor opposing views. No surprise there.

Who decides these things?

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 08:38 PM

Namepros™, in my view, is not in the business of summarily deleting posts and opinions - even if they vary greatly and at times become heated!

However, personal attacks, name calling, vulgarity, and threats, etc. should, and most likely, will be removed ... in staying in theme with an OP's general subject matter.

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Remember, it's the general discussion .MOBI Discussion Forum ... and not the private, exclusive .MOBI Likers Only™ Club / Forum.

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

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Namepros™, in my view, is not in the business of summarily deleting posts and opinions - even if they vary greatly and at times become heated!

However, personal attacks, name calling, vulgarity, and threats, etc. should, and most likely, will be removed ... in staying in theme with an OP's general subject matter.

Remember, it's the general discussion .MOBI Discussion Forum ... and not the private, exclusive .MOBI Likers Only™ Club / Forum.

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

Then how do you explain rule #6 in the .tv subforum?

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 08:48 PM

I would recommend removing Rule #6, as it reads, from the .TV Forum, IMHO.

In my two sense.
-Jeff

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

I would recommend removing Rule #6, as it reads, from the .TV Forum, IMHO.

In my two sense.
-Jeff

Thanks for sharing your view.
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Being Staff Emeritus, can you shed some light on how it got there and possibly why?

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Thanks for sharing your view.

Being Staff Emeritus, can you shed some light on how it got there and possibly why?

You're welcome.

I don't recall the specifics - or whether we even convened for a long time to discuss it, to be honest - but one has to understand, being on Staff™ is an incredibly fluid, busy, hectic, and highly emotional, TIME CONSUMING commitment!

Secondly, we are assessing something now that never had an .MOBI - or any other sub-forums for that matter! - to think about, experience, or learn from, at the time. I believe in this light, the .TV Rules could perhaps now use a bit of tweaking ... to be more consistent with tjose of the .MOBI Forum™.

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I think, whenever it was, the intent was certainly good (and very likely consiodered the level and deployment of Staff™ at the time) ... but things evolve, they are flexible enough to adopt to this change while having enough history to gauge the future, IMHO. The Namepros™ site, ownership, management, Staff™, and Forum Leaders© are the very BEST in the business ... my recommendation to remove Rule #6 from the .TV Forum does not come lightly, or without much consideration - and emotion! Humbly.

Hope that clarifies, and sincerely.
-Jeff

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

You're welcome.

I don't recall the specifics - or whether we even convened for a long time to discuss it, to be honest - but one has to understand, being on Staff™ is an incredibly fluid, busy, hectic, and highly emotional, TIME CONSUMING commitment!

Secondly, we are assessing something now that never had an .MOBI - or any other sub-forums for that matter! - to think about, experience, or learn from, at the time. I believe in this light, the .TV Rules could perhaps now use a bit of tweaking ... to be more consistent with tjose of the .MOBI Forum™.

I think, whenever it was, the intent was certainly good (and very likely consiodered the level and deployment of Staff™ at the time) ... but things evolve, they are flexible enough to adopt to this change while having enough history to gauge the future, IMHO. The Namepros™ site, ownership, management, Staff™, and Forum Leaders© are the very BEST in the business ... my recommendation to remove Rule #6 from the .TV Forum does not come lightly, or without much consideration - and emotion! Humbly.

Hope that clarifies, and sincerely.
-Jeff

Thanks again and I agree that NamePros is the best thing going. I have visited the other forums like DS and DNF and they don't hold a candle to NP IMO. That is why I choose to contribute as much as I do here.
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One point I am not clear on, who has the ability to set these forum rules? Is it strictly the NP owner or is it under the authority of the subforum moderators?

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Thanks again and I agree that NamePros is the best thing going. I have visited the other forums like DS and DNF and they don't hold a candle to NP IMO. That is why I choose to contribute as much as I do here.

One point I am not clear on, who has the ability to set these forum rules? Is it strictly the NP owner or is it under the authority of the subforum moderators?

Thanks for your kind words ... and though we don't always see eye to eye on the whole .MOBI Thing™, I have high respect for your wit, opinions, and even sense of humor Paul!

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On the Staff™ matter, RJ listens to everyone and everyhting, and seeks as much input as he can get from DB and then the rest of Management© and Staff™, IMHO. Since I've retired, and with the joining of DB as Admin.™ ... the structure is a bit different, but I'm sure the listening and thoughtfulness is the same. The Staff™ at the sub-Forum levels are part of the "Team", and they try to meet as regularly as they can - and there is always a dedicated, private Forum for these types of things to be discussed. In other words, in my experience, you will not see a quickly and summarliy changed Forum Rules anywhere on the site ... but rather, thoroughly thought out and ongoing tweakings, as necessary (including, by the way, the thoughts, opinions and INPUT of the membership - which is HUGE! here with RJ, DB, Mark, Chris, and all the rest of our fearless Staff™ & Leadership)!

Now, I will most likely be banned!

See you then.
-Jeff

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Thanks for your kind words ... and though we don't always see eye to eye on the whole .MOBI Thing™, I have high respect for your wit, opinions, and even sense of humor Paul!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=329478

On the Staff™ matter, RJ listens to everyone and everyhting, and seeks as much input as he can get from DB and then the rest of Management© and Staff™, IMHO. Since I've retired, and with the joining of DB as Admin.™ ... the structure is a bit different, but I'm sure the listening and thoughtfulness is the same. The Staff™ at the sub-Forum levels are part of the "Team", and they try to meet as regularly as they can - and there is always a dedicated, private Forum for these types of things to be discussed. In other words, in my experience, you will not see a quickly and summarliy changed Forum Rules anywhere on the site ... but rather, thoroughly thought out and ongoing tweakings, as necessary (including, by the way, the thoughts, opinions and INPUT of the membership - which is HUGE! here with RJ, DB, Mark, Chris, and all the rest of our fearless Staff™ & Leadership)!

Now, I will most likely be banned!

See you then.
-Jeff

Thanks for sharing your experienced insights regarding the innards of NP management functionality. I'm not sure why it would result in being banned unless you posted everyones cell phone #s

Sorry, but I seem to be full of questions tonight. I'm curious if you think it is reasonable to desire rules parity among the various tld subforums?

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Sorry, but I seem to be full of questions tonight. I'm curious if you think it is reasonable to desire rules parity among the various tld subforums?

You have my recommendation for the one specific rule in the .TV Forum, IMHO ... Staff™ will commit to what is best and most reasonable for the community!

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Goodnight for now, my friend. (I won't tell anyone we're friends, k?)

-Jeff

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Originally Posted by scandiman

Sorry, but I seem to be full of questions tonight. I'm curious if you think it is reasonable to desire rules parity among the various tld subforums?

You have my recommendation for the one specific rule in the .TV Forum, IMHO ... Staff™ will commit to what is best and most reasonable for the community!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=329478

Goodnight for now, my friend. (I won't tell anyone we're friends, k?)

-Jeff

I'm glad you found my post humorous but I'm not sure why, it was a sincere question.

Hopefully you revisit after getting some shuteye.

Jeff · 05-18-2007, 10:12 PM

My

... was for your banned / cell phone #'s comment!

Nightio.

scandiman · 05-18-2007, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

My

... was for your banned / cell phone #'s comment!

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Nightio.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. So I guess a direct answer/opinion to my question will remain elusive for now. Roger that.

-REECE- · 05-18-2007, 10:52 PM

.TV is run in the most incompetent fashion imaginable. Their ridiculously high renewal fees on premium names guarantee you that you'll never profit off the extension by being a developer of a good premium name... Your best bet is to try and resell them to some sucker who doesn't "get" that News.TV comes with an annual $500,000 fee attached

Now, what kind of bonehead would seriously pay that? No wonder they don't allow criticism in the forum -- it's all they would get

I REALLY hope mtld is not taking the same approach with the RFP names...

seanboy · 05-18-2007, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Reece

.TV is run in the most incompetent fashion imaginable. Their ridiculously high renewal fees on premium names guarantee you that you'll never profit off the extension by being a developer of a good premium name... Your best bet is to try and resell them to some sucker who doesn't "get" that News.TV comes with an annual $500,000 fee attached

Now, what kind of bonehead would seriously pay that? No wonder they don't allow criticism in the forum -- it's all they would get

I REALLY hope mtld is not taking the same approach with the RFP names...

I really like .tv, but those premium fees are ridiculous.

-REECE- · 05-18-2007, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by seanboy

I really like .tv, but those premium fees are ridiculous.

Yes, I thought the extension would be "uber cool" when I first heard about it back before Launch #1... But then they made 90%+ of the great names impossible to afford expensive... Even if you had the money, you're forced to make $500,000 off news.TV i.e. just for the registration cost.
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How many websites make sufficient cash that they'd be willing to pay $500,000 annually in registration costs for a name?

I think .TV could have been a great extension if it was done more like .net, .info, .biz -- it could at least have rivalled .info, IMO. This is a good example of a business that was severely damaged by inexperience in the domaining field. A veteran team of domainers, IMO, could have made this extension a success.

labrocca · 05-19-2007, 03:11 PM

I would think that as mTLD learned from the mistakes of .tv that Namepros has also learned it's mistakes. Ultimately this is a discussions forums and any time you quelch discussion you inhibit forum growth. Compare the posting rate between the two and you will see why they allow open discussion in mobi.
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90% of the mobi threads are civil and on rare occassions someone steps over the line. If mobi area were to adopt the same rules as the tv area...then members will either not post or post at another forums which allows open discussion. Neither of which helps Namepros.

Interesting that you feel negative discussion on mobi is wrong but statements like this are perfectly fine.

Originally Posted by bocavision

anti-MOBI trolls

Calling fellow Namepro members trolls imho isn't in the spirit of the Namepros community. There are many long-term members with THOUSANDS of posts that simply are not happy with mobi or mTLD. Are you calling them all trolls simply because they express themselves in mobi area? It certainly seems like you are sir. You may want to rethink that position.

-REECE- · 05-19-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

I would think that as mTLD learned from the mistakes of .tv that Namepros has also learned it's mistakes. Ultimately this is a discussions forums and any time you quelch discussion you inhibit forum growth. Compare the posting rate between the two and you will see why they allow open discussion in mobi.
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90% of the mobi threads are civil and on rare occassions someone steps over the line. If mobi area were to adopt the same rules as the tv area...then members will either not post or post at another forums which allows open discussion. Neither of which helps Namepros.

Interesting that you feel negative discussion on mobi is wrong but statements like this are perfectly fine.

Calling fellow Namepro members trolls imho isn't in the spirit of the Namepros community. There are many long-term members with THOUSANDS of posts that simply are not happy with mobi or mTLD. Are you calling them all trolls simply because they express themselves in mobi area? It certainly seems like you are sir. You may want to rethink that position.

Well said.

When I make an investment -- I like to hear both sides of the argument. I may have my money in energy/oil, but if someone thinks hydrogen or some alternative energy source will be all the rage -- I don't flame them, I want to learn from them. I want them to explain to me why they think that's the case -- that way, if I find merit to their reasoning, I can get my money the hell out of there before I take a substantial loss.

scandiman · 05-19-2007, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Calling fellow Namepro members trolls imho isn't in the spirit of the Namepros community.

And calling mobi enthusiasts Manson Family domainers is in keeping with the NamePros spirit?
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http://www.namepros.com/1805986-post14.html

Practice what you preach.

BocaVision · 05-19-2007, 03:37 PM

or launching and promoting a MobiSucks Blog with a middle finger as the logo.....MobiSucks.info.

Originally Posted by labrocca

Oh I agree. However tact or no tact...they won't listen nor be detered from their addiction. To them life without mobi would be useless.

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Yeah..no tact. I am just tired of playing with kids gloves around the same handful of people that just seem insistant that mobi is the new internet. So I am replying with the same zealotry they show.

I just registered mobisucks.info and I will be starting a no-holds barred blog there.

labrocca · 05-19-2007, 03:37 PM

Quote:

It's starting to feel like the Manson family has become domainers in here.

That was my quote...I didn't call any domainers part of the Manson Family...instead I said it FEELS LIKE...

Calling someone a Troll and saying they are acting like one are two different things. Besides that...I have toned down my rhetoric greatly since then. I don't participate in flames anymore and simply ignore those that insist on it.

Originally Posted by BocaVision

or launching and promoting a MobiSucks Blog with a middle finger as the logo.....MobiSucks.info.

I thought it was a clever take on their logo.

Maybe I should have done mTLDsucks instead. I just thought for SEO purposes mobisucks would be a better fit.

scandiman · 05-19-2007, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

That was my quote...I didn't call any domainers part of the Manson Family...instead I said it FEELS LIKE...
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Calling someone a Troll and saying they are acting like one are two different things.

labrocca · 05-19-2007, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by scandiman

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hehe...I knew I would get called out on that half-ass argument. Oh well.

Still my post was relevent to the topic while others decided to derail my response and instead make me the topic.

The issue is not me. The issue is the rules of mobi forum here at Namepros.

scandiman · 05-19-2007, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

hehe...I knew I would get called out on that half-ass argument. Oh well.

Glad to help

Originally Posted by labrocca

The issue is the rules of mobi forum here at Namepros.

On that issue then, what is your opinion about the NP tld subforums having different rules? Should they be all the same?

05-18-2007, 08:30 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
BocaVision NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Palm Beach Posts: 574	dotMOBI can learn from .TV.... Showcased below are the sticky rules within the .tv subforum. Perhaps, our MOBI community will adopt these rules for our special dotmobi subforum to foster consistency & harmony among subforums and to purge the naysaying anti-MOBI trolls who often express very snarky and disingenuous comments. 1 APPRAISAL thread in a 48 hour period Meaning if you want an opinion on xxxxx.tv and then two hours later you regged nnnnnn.tv add it to that thread. 2 OFF topic posts will be deleted Meaning someone asking for an opinion on a specific topic and the poster ignores that and rambles on about something unrelated. That includes posting your names for sale in a discussion thread 3 Derogatory posts will be deleted Posts that flame or have no relevance to the conversation, if you want to rant go in the break room. IT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED HERE No PROFANITY 4. Sales threads in the .tv marketplace only 5. No links to other forums or posts that are advertising in nature promoting domains, extensions or parked domains ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/329478-dotmobi-can-learn-from-tv.html 6. You don't like .tv? Great keep your posts in General Discussion this is a subforum for people who do like .tv Hating or bashing posts will be deleted 7. If you are posting a site you own of are affiliated with, post that in the .tv marketplace with the PREFIX Advertising/ Here is the link to the rules of the .tv subforum: http://www.namepros.com/dot-tv/21669...rum-rules.html Last edited by BocaVision; 05-18-2007 at 09:41 PM.

05-18-2007, 08:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	Namepros™, in my view, is not in the business of summarily deleting posts and opinions - even if they vary greatly and at times become heated! However, personal attacks, name calling, vulgarity, and threats, etc. should, and most likely, will be removed ... in staying in theme with an OP's general subject matter. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=329478 Remember, it's the general discussion .MOBI Discussion Forum ... and not the private, exclusive .MOBI Likers Only™ Club / Forum. Just my two sense. -Jeff __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

05-18-2007, 08:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	I would recommend removing Rule #6, as it reads, from the .TV Forum, IMHO. In my two sense. -Jeff __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

05-18-2007, 10:12 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jeff Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winter Break© Posts: 29,526	My ... was for your banned / cell phone #'s comment! Nightio. __________________ Be cool. Be polite. Be professional.™

05-18-2007, 08:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
scandiman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: living in exile Posts: 3,853	Seems reasonable to me. If it is OK in .tv then why not in .mobi subforum? I've asked about this before but got nowhere with it. Instead I was accused of trying to censor opposing views. No surprise there. Who decides these things?

05-18-2007, 10:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
-REECE- NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 8,996	.TV is run in the most incompetent fashion imaginable. Their ridiculously high renewal fees on premium names guarantee you that you'll never profit off the extension by being a developer of a good premium name... Your best bet is to try and resell them to some sucker who doesn't "get" that News.TV comes with an annual $500,000 fee attached Now, what kind of bonehead would seriously pay that? No wonder they don't allow criticism in the forum -- it's all they would get I REALLY hope mtld is not taking the same approach with the RFP names...

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