gemulder

Watch this:

http://labs.live.com/deepfish/default.aspx

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Bodhi

Looks like Microsoft is always playing catch up with Apple. Isn't this like the iphone with the zoom in thing?

scandiman

Reminds me very much of the early iPhone discussions. Some see this kind of tech as making .mobi irrelevant and they very well could be right. Especially I think if there is no content out there in .mobiville.

Mobi sites still offers advantages. Quicker load time, compatibility with more devices and less zoom and scroll are 3 that quickly come to mind. The content is displayed in a way that is appropriate for the device.

Big pages viewed on tiny devices reminds me of using a microfiche reader back in college. That was never pleasant.

movingconcierge

"Our zoom-able interface and cue map[...]a view that is closer to the desktop experience[...]

It's a noble effort, but when I try to picture the actual use of the zoom and map feature, it seems kind of clumbsy and tedious.

Get over it already...mobile phones have smaller screens. You'll never get the desktop feel out of them - unless the rollout screen or the TI mini projector go mainstream and OEM.

nombre

exactly right ..........which is why the mobi tld has issued standards because it wants sites that work ... not sites that try to become everything to everyone
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/310659-is-deepfish-a-threat.html

evrything has been tried and nothing works, mobi is basically what you end up trying when nothing else works ....

thebiffenator

It is all up to the enduser

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iNod

Personally I see DeepFish as a benefit.. Now we don't have to use WAP or XHTML and we can have games and an actual website.. Mind you one of the key .mobi reasons was the mobile browser.. But we all know this was in development. It was just a matter of time, this one I like, the iPhone one is extremely bad.. It zooms in on certain parts like a magnification glass, and it just isn't good. This one is more of a "zoom area" rather than a zoom circle lol.

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Bodhi

I say leave the Zoom Zoom to Mazda. If .com owners want to be part of the mobile web they need to make mobile versions of their sites

cybertonic

If my site is not critical for my biz then probably it's an additional reason to not do anything for mobile users and save time, money and hassles.

In fact the only one that could change the face of the dot mobi is GOOGLE.

That's GOOGLE who will initiate the rush to the dot mobi.

The day GOOGLE will start serving different SERPs for mobile devices giving to the .mobi some ranking prefrence for mobiles users then trust me, most of the commercial sites will start building their dot mobi and advertising them.

Google should do it, as it makes sense for the user experience to suggest sites designed for mobiles to mobile users.

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Skinny

Believe me Deepdish and Apple's Safari mobile browser are threats in my opinion.

Why? one word: convergence.

As many digital products get put into one giant gadget screens will be bigger, and the PC feel will come.

I think that this is a threat to .mobi.

I don't hater or love the .mobi, but from a tech perspective DeepFish is a threat once it goes mainstream.

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movingconcierge

Mobi Hater! you're branded now, kid

Really though, how big are the screens going to get...3" 4" 5"? It doesn't matter because it will never be 17" 19 " 21"!

Trying to get the desktop feel out of such a tiny screen by being able to zoom in is like saying you'll get that movie theater feel out of your table top TV by adding smell-o-rama.

It is only one very very small element of the overall experience. That, in my opinion, is why it will seem like a cheap imitation that will feel awkward.

TV didn't fade away because it was not the theater. No. The TV embraced what it was and moved forward perfecting what they can do within their limitiations. They are the "small screen" or the "silver screen." Right? Think about those terms for a minute...the SMALL SCREEN...they embraced it. Mobile internet providers will need to do the same.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=310659

Hey smaller doesn't mean less powerful or less effective, it just means smaller.

scandiman

In fact the opposite was the case, theater faded with the widespread use of the TV. With widespread use of mobile internet some aspects of desktop internet use may in fact fade as well. Many are trying to guess what segments will take off and are buying and/or developing .mobi domains to be first movers. Of course .mobi is not the mobile internet but rather is a combined brand and code compliance "seal of approval" targeted to mobile internet users.

Pred

nice succinct way of putting it . may use that
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=310659

mjnels

i love the TV/theater analagy.. that is spot on..

dag

And THAT is where this whole zoom-viewing thing is overrated: if cellphone browsing becomes as big as predicted, it would make little sense for Web sites to continue being designed in the now-standard "desktop" format. They will need to be designed to be mobile friendly, and Mobi will be an important way of doing that (please note that I do not say it'll be the "only" way). And at some point in the not-too-distant future, zooming in on parts of a larger Web page really won't be that useful.

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mjnels

you know, whenever i have a question about something now and im away from a computer i get kinda mad that there isnt much of a mobile web these days... makes me wonder if the next generation will think that was sorta funny.. and laugh at the little things people usta do for fun on their phones, mainly ringtones, wallpapers, and silly stuff like that.. it is definetely 1994 like izo-pod said in another post.. there are some mobile sites out there now , but just not many.. kinda neat to be in 1994 again (even tho i didnt get online till '96)

scandiman

Your point dovetails well with Work in progress' thread on what motivates your registrations. http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/311...-new-regs.html

jettabosko

http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=31012 Deep fish news

ofclean

TV/theater analogy isn't that great. The same exact thing is shown on TV as it is in the theater...

scandiman

It is? I have yet to see the local news being screened in a local theater. Does it happen where you are? But do you know it used to happen?

You need to go to the beginning of cinema and TV to understand the analogy.

Have you ever heard of a newsreel? It originated in the early days of motion pictures and faded away after WWII. It basically was as it sounds, a film reel documenting current event news and it was very common for people to visit a theater to view the newsreel. That is how the American public was exposed to propaganda war footage during WWII. For a time there were theaters that only showed newsreels. Once TV became mainstream the newsreel died away. People stopped going to the theater to see newsreels when they could get the info faster in real time at home, even though the quality of presentation couldn't compare.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=310659

The information was basically the same but was repackaged for a new presentation medium. News in theaters faded away and became a mainstream on TV. The internet has now caused TV news to begin to fade, and it is entirely possible that mobile internet news could siphon off PC internet news as mobile internet use becomes more mainstream. People want it NOW not when they get back home to their PC. Mobile internet use can give it to them.

Whether or not .mobi will be a part of this future remains to be seen. I'm optimistic for a variety of reasons but ultimately the public will decide in time.

nombre

you are wrong, neither will work well, they won't render web pages well, the bandwidth will be too expensive and they will be too large for many (but not all) people

they will end up on the junk heap with every other attempt to render the full-size web on a small screen

_most_ people want to carry small phones like the razr not big wide phones like nokia's e62 or the iphone ....which means you are always going to have to work on a very small screen for the mobile phone

mobi has been designed for this exact purpose, if you read the mobi development guidelines, you see that they are targeting the lowest common denominator (small phones ... slow phones) which will give the best experience to the greatest number of users

Fundraiser

Absolutely a threat. MS is getting much more interest by the press than mobi too. MS is adapting technology to overcome the coding issues. Keep in mind the whole point of mobi is not to pacify consumers but rather to increase Internet usage on phones to benefit companies. The backers want to sell more data packages, higher end phones, have a new distribution point for ads, etc and will take the most profitable path with lowest barrier to adoption. Right now they can either wait for a million web sites to change their design to a single coding standard for mobile use and promote a whole new set of web addresses or they can provide one or two technology-based solutions integrated and distributed with existing software for mobile phones. What path do you think they will promote first? The fact that apple is looking at similar technology is a double threat.

movingconcierge

You mean like dotcom's adding that code snipet you can use to redirect a mobile visitor to a site made for mobile phones?
I just don't think it is going to fly. It puts the oweness on the user to conform to the sites rather than the other way around. That's my opinion of it anyway.

Fundraiser

No, that would still mean that an alternate website would have to be created, and one that provided a similar navigation structure or feel to what consumers are used to on the sites they currently visit. People tend to adapt slowly and incrementally to change. A zoom feature is an incremental change that is easy to introduce through existing distribution channels. Mobi as a concept requires significant change on both the consumer and the business side of the equation which makes it more difficult and certainly more costly to implement.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=310659

My point simply is that it will come down to what provides the quickest way to get people actually using their phones to access the Internet and be provided with a level of information and services that they currently enjoy. We'll have to see ultimately which wins out.

nombre

i disagree with most of your points but i will just address this one:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=310659

-mobi doesn't require any change on the part of the user simply because the user just isn't there in the first place ...the user isn't using the mobile internet period, very few people even _use_ their phones to access the internet

-it will be much cheaper for any web publisher that has a serious interest in the mobile web to simply get a mobi address and re-purpose whatever content they choose through their mobi domain, sticking with mobi guidelines and providing a clean, simple site that downloads quickly ...... this is the best and cheapest option rather than trying to force old technology by whatever deepfish or iphone fad comes along

-respecting the mobile user by paying attention to their needs is what will will succeed, not yet another failed re-direct or "new" coding scheme