Infinity

Can .mobi domains be worth more than .com domains in the future (Not businesses)?

With 3-4 mobile devices to pc desktops currently (and rising?),
does that mean 3-4 times more traffic globally some day in the future is possible?

China, the second largest Dot Mobi registerer that has 1 of 5 human beings on Earth, has ".com.cn".. do you think it sounds fair to them to use ".com" for their mobile internet revolution?

Remember, I am not talking about in terms of established businesses.. I am talking about domaining.. Internet Real Estate.. generic.com vs generic.mobi.. as the day is arriving when the world uses mobile internet like it uses toilet paper..



Kind Regards,

Yelo

Sam

Are you joking me? Generic .COM will ALWAYS be worth more .mobi. I can personally guarantee it. Again, it DOES NOT matter if 3/4 of internet traffic is mobile, because phone manafacturers will NEVER, EVER change the default extention from .com to .mobi. Trying to fit in .mobi with the mobile revolution will not work. Oh for those who claim all the big companies "support" .mobi, please go do yourself a favor and go to http://www dot ******** Dot com, a big SCAM site that claimed it had huge corporate sponsors too.
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I would love for your .mobiers to go and email every big company that mr Pinky brand claims to "support" .mobi. Equity Investments anyone?!?! Actually, I shall go email support for all these big companies and inquire to such claims and post on this forum.

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I think it's possible that they could be worth an equal amount. It's really all up in the air but pay per call could revolutionize the scene. Just as in iTravel.mobi you can easily click on a link that calls a number on your phone. When actually speaking with someone on the phone you are much more likely to sign up and use a service (people are easily persuaded) rather than just clicking on a link and having text appear that says "book your vacation now."

When you put a human aspect into it then pay per call could be huge. It's really way too early in the game to tell just how far mobi will go and if it could even go past .com.

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nombre

i agree with thinking that it's too early but the potential is certainly there
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if we start to see faster, more useful phones and mobile devices and _if_ mobi gathers enough momentum, it's definitely possible that mobi could become the most valuable domain tld around

i think we will see several phone companies defaulting to mobi and this will drive the value of the domain

remember there is no competition with mobi in the sense that there are no competing mobile domains

my guess is that it will end up being a mix of all tlds mainly because there are simply not enough good mobi domains to go around

mobi is the 1 domain that the whole world shares

scandiman

I'm very much a mobi enthusiast but to even have this type of conversation regarding a 5 month old tld is honestly ridiculous. Revisit this in about 5 years and we will see where things are at.

Infinity

What's first isn't always gonna be the best? Who thought someone would break Babe Ruth or Roger Maris or Mark Mcgwire's homerun record?

Yes, I will take the leadership and take one for the team to be the first to bring this point up here.. I know many of us, on both sides of the fence, have wondered about this possibility; either consciously or unconsciously..
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I am not trying to be a jerk here..

There are several reasons why I am starting this thread:

1.) Communication - Been kinda slow here lately.. love to learn from good points (see nombre's).. $$$... Let us all deal with our emotions, and communicate better since we are all here for a reason..

2.) Let's move beyond the "we have to wait 5 years to see" (of course! ) argument.. Fear of more wounds incurred from the bashers?.. because the treasure chest is still open for less than $10.. we can speculate and ascertain the trends.. because as domainers, we have to buy/reserve the name TODAY for tomorrow.. waiting for tomorrow may be too late.. waiting for tomorrow (google.mobi?) may cost us..

3.) I have many extensions.. should we be selling off .com's to buy Dot Mobis? New registrations and aftermarket!

4.) How much should we really be considering aftermarket? Those of use who have money, if we missed the landrush or not..

5.) Finally, "Should we hold?". I mean I am selling JapaneseFood.mobi for $12,200 on ebay and sometimes I wonder if that's plain stupid! Because, if generic .mobi comes close or even eclipses JapaneseFood.com's traffic then why should I "sell out" today to be set for a lifetime? All of us need to consider this more.. holding.. as we are tempted to sell our best .mobis and then later wonder why we didn't hold them (lots of 90's .commers say that today)

My point: Bringing this thread and issue up helps all of us more.. go faster..

I would love to hear more great points made like some of the ones above.. which I never thought about..

I apoligize in advance if I am offending anyone, this is meant to help us talk about things that affect our minds that we are not learning enough from one another about or bringing up..

Let's all take advantage more of the blessing we have been given with the insight we have on knowing about Dot Mobi already, compared to the rest of the world..




Kind Regards,

Yelo

circa1850

yup

buckshotdots

Thowing in G4 technology into the mix makes .mobi look very good for investing. I'm def building my .mobi collection but for now .com is my main concern.

Intersting post...

gary-

robertjr

Not a chance!

You can be quite sure that it will not be long(if not already in progress) before ALL the .com sites will "auto detect" a users device and then redirect to the site with the proper architecture.












How about them apples?

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circa1850

If I understand your implication correctly, so if someone enters a .mobi domain name, it will be redirected to the .com site but with a mobi compliant page?

robertjr

No, more like the user will be redirected to domain.com or mobi.domain.com based to the users device.

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nombre

as has been discussed many times before, this capability has been around for a long time, but it doesn't work especially well due to to the complexity of different interacting technologies

mobi was created specifically because of this fact in order to create some form of standardization which will be a common starting point for the "mobile internet"

if re-directs to dot coms were working well, mobi would not have been created

for those who call it a money grab, well, i think that nokia, google, microsoft, vodafone and samsung have their eyes on bigger revenue sources than selling mobi domains

mejcdj

Do you think that the millions of .com sites will create a site with the "proper architecture" to redirect to? That is the ONLY way a 'detect' will be functional for the entire (fixed and mobile) web.

That was considered and is why .mobi is now here. The problem is, that most sites wont bother with it, so the detect won't work.

As a consumer, I would rather use a .mobi that I am sure will resove and show properly in my phone, rahter than take a shot at several .coms that may or may not resove properly. That is the whole idea.
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Something to think about .. .mobi is in the position to have that redirect to detect a PC. So, in reality, .mobi is in the best position to become more powerful as an ext. .mobi can provide mobile and PC sites rather easily.

I think all links should be .mobi for the mobile web. Otherwise it takes from the user experience if a user is directed to a .com that won't show properly. If we only use .mobi, there will always be a favorable experience, and the mobile web will flourish.

JMO

Infinity

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What if I don't want to be automatically redirected?

What if I want to see the full version/information .com site on my PDA? (with scrollbars; thus, it seems better suited that the device detect and redirect run on the .mobi for all devices.. to preserve the .com sites "on the go" in full across the globe)

The clock is ticking.. and the role of .com brand (wap.domain.com/mobile) with mobile seems rather confusing at the moment..




Kind Regards,

Yelo

space101

All very insightfull comments, but only time will tell......

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hawkeye

To me, all these people's statements of - 'no way! - dot com forever', or 'phone screens will make mobi unneccessary', or 'sites will detect your device/browser and adjust accordingly' etc. etc., are coming from either big .com holders, or tech heads, that are not looking at the real big picture and what will be one of the biggest reasons why .mobi will succeed - 'Targeted Advertising'! It will be big!! Rest assured, the mobile audience is going to be a whole new pool to advertise to, more directly, and more efficiently. When one goes to a .com, .net, .whatever site now, advertisements, adsense etc. is geared toward that site content, or just general advertising. There is no way to tell where the viewer is coming from, and what would be the most efficient ads towards them. Though adsense will detect content, and address ads accordingly, it can put wrong ads on sites that have similiar wordings and different meanings. With .mobi, advertisers can rest assured that 99% of viewers will be on a mobile type of device, and more than likely mobile at the time, and the ads will be more relevent to that viewer's anticipated interests at the time. 'Targeted advertising' will be a big thing for mobile devices, and .mobi sites will be a big propeller of this form of advertising. IMHO.

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Your questions are perfect for considering at this stage of evolving for .mobi.

Thanks for posting them. Your sale on Ebay is a very good one and I would do the same thing. The reason? To grab some quick cash. To not hold out of course is because of the uncertainty of .mobis future plus the fact you can take the thousands earned from the sale and invest in more .mobi domains.

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cramer

Aside from the main issue of this thread, here are two other factors:
1. Many really good and valuable .com domains are parked and will be for a long time. The owners of some portfolios that are parked have stated that none of their names are for sale. They do very well overall with the names parked, and even though it might make sense to develop them...it is a big undertaking to develop a large number of names. So even though a .com could probably be valuable, especially if developed....if the mobi version is well developed, indexed and optimized, and starts to develop traffic....the .com may be at a disadvantage if development of it is started at a much later date then the mobi development. So there could be a number of scenarios, but one is that a buyer might possibly pay a big price for the mobi....because the .com is not (and will not be) available.
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2. I come across .com domains that are in use, but you could argue that it is not the best use... Often the name is the name of a business such as a web developer. They have been in business for years, and years ago they got a good domain...and that is their business name. Today they could sell that domain for a pretty penny, but the problem is that it is the name of their business. So it doesnt come on the market. If you have a situation like that, I would think it would make the mobi version more valuable. I think there are many cases like this. In fact, sometimes I think that we miss some basic aspects of due diligence when we are considering buying or selling a mobi....like simply failing to check how the .com is being used.

robertjr

Yes, if the need is there. It's not like it would require any more effort to produce mobi.domain.com or domain.com/mobi than domain.mobi.

From an example provided in a earlier discussion. Notice the .com does not even redirect to the .mobi.
http://www.statefarm.com/
http://www.statefarm.com/mobile/index.asp
http://www.statefarm.mobi/



Hardly the case, .mobi is here because the money and the backing was there to make it happen.


I agree, I use a Treo 700P and find .mobi sites rather lacking and would much rather be on the full version. As for the device managing the process, you have a nice point and it will likely be a combination. But, doesn't make my point even more valid? It could simply be that if a mobile device is detected your asked via a "pop up" how you want to be directed. I think Google is doing something like that with Gmail access.


The only thing they have in mind is the big picture. Do you really think the big boys are going to allow something a simple as access reduce their profits?


Can you say GEO Targeting? I hope so, because it's being done to you right now as you read this thread.

BTW-
How many have tried to perform the same searches with their PC and moble device? I think you will find the results interesting and in line what I have said.

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Pred

Excellent post. My sentiments exactly.
It is because how the com is being used or not being used that influences the pricing on some mobis for me.
You make two excellent points of many.
Go to the top of the class

whitebark

Indeed, and so will the .net's, .org's, info's, cctlds etc etc. .mobi is no different than any other domain now or in the future.

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circa1850

I am not sure what to make of this and I certainly don't want to jump to conclusions. But it seems to me to make a statement like this is like saying that the internet is incapable of evolving and technology will not advance.

nombre

there are almost 2000 different handsets in use around the world and guys are telling me that it's just a simple technological trick to turn dot net com org info etc into a mobile site ??
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this is simply not correct, it is a very complex process to make this happen so it looks good to everyone

mobi creates a worldwide standard that all web developers can use in creating a mobile web presence

this quote is from the herald-tribune story at this address: http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/...wireless26.php

""Consumers are not happy with the mobile Internet because it just doesn't function well," Neil Edwards, chief executive of dotMobi, said during an interview this month at the conference in Barcelona. "The dot-mobi domain was established to offer mobile Internet users a domain they can trust, somewhere they can go and be sure that the site will function on their mobile phone."

Numerous studies have shown that cellphone users are reluctant to surf the Web from their cellphones for various reasons including the difficulty, time and cost of downloading standard Internet pages to a mobile phone."

this is why mobi is here and why it will succeed

sdsinc

I don't think that the big .com as you put it feel threatened at all.

Simply put .mobi a trimmed-down, crippled Internet experience. As technology evolves the limitations of mobile Internet will gradually disappear and so will the need for a dedicated TLD. IMO there was and there is no need for it... Or to put it politely it's the wrong answer to a real problem.

The .mobi frenzy is largely driven by speculation. Speculation in itself is not guarantee of success (.eu being just an example).
Care to elaborate ? I don't see what's complicated.
And yes you are correct to say the capability has been around for a long time. Remember WAP ?
What standardization ? Mobile devices are all very different. Even the screen size is very variable. There is no such thing as a mobile standard. Actually the biggest problem with .mobi is that it negates the established principle of device independence on the Web. Still mobile devices come in many different breeds with variable capabilities.
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I beg to disagree. All it takes is the willingness to develop. I guess it all boils down to economics ie. is it justified to develop to cater to a tiny percentage of the Internet audience ?

If I had say 10% of mobile users coming to my sites then I would definitely do something to improve their browsing experience like:
- use a tailored style sheet or perform redirection to a subsite ie. mobile.mysite.com
- provide trimmed down content if needed (to minize scrolling )

I have a good browser detection routine handy so it's no problem at all to handle mobile visitors under my .com domains.
But let's make it clear, I will not waste my time developping for a tiny market.
Likewise I am not going to translate my sites into Spanish until I have a healthy percentage of Spanish speakers

Right now, only a minority of people are mobile web surfers. Some would call them an untapped niche. A neglected market. I say OK but don't forget the majority of Internet users.

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circa1850

I agree with the first part of your sentence that only a minority of people are actually surfing the web on their mobile devices.

However, I do not see this as an untapped niche nor a neglected market.

The same is true regarding your last sentence..."don't forget the majority are Internet users". Thus the reason behind such technology. That same group that you related to as being a minority are part of the same majority that you elude to.

It would be hard for the marketers and the developers and the internet as well as the telecommunication giants to ignore the fact that, yes...they were an untapped market and a neglected market. But that does not ring true anymore.

The same companies that are behind this push to bring a usable format to the mobile industry and mobile generation, all industry leaders on a global scale, also recognize that there are indeed three times more mobile devices and hand held devices in the world than there are PC's. While that PC may remain on the desk at the workstation or at home and the laptop is secure in it's in the laptop case, just look around you at all the people that have cell phones and PDA's.

There is where this market is. There is the enormity of this market and the potential.

Go to NBA.MOBI right now and tell me this format makes sense on your PC screen. Then pull out your cell phone and tell me that going to NBA.COM's format makes sense on your cell phone.

There are applications to and for both. One fits one well and does not suit the other. That is really how simple all of can be. There is no need to really complicate the issue. Technology is evolving and is being introduced based on the demands of the masses.

Right now the general populous demands portability and convenience and wants to be able to do everything on the run and unencumbered.
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My first computer...a commodor 64 (I think) with a green screen. My first cell phone...a big ol' clunker in a bag with a heavy battery and yet it was still tied to a cord. My first microwave oven...perhaps $400.00 - $500.00, took up half the counter space and weighed a ton. First internet connection was dial up, always getting bumped off, could never receive a call.

Now I have 7 computers (don't ask), two cell phones, 3 laptops with wireless capability and verizon broadband cards, in house wireless N capability, two cell phones that I have yet to figure out except how to make a call, and a microwave/convection oven over the range. Which one do I use the most?

When I am home I use the PC's, sometimes the laptop when I am outside or away from my home office and in another room, laptops at meetings, at work, on the road, don't need a hotspot with the broadband card I can connect anywhere, still have not been able to figure all the capabilities of the phone, but I use the microwave the most.

Give me a mobile device where I can view a usable and functional sized site and I would be happy. Microsoft came out with the UMPC's made by Samsung but I am not sure they were such a raving success. Even though considerably smaller, the overall concensus is it is still too big to be called a portable for convenience's sake, you can't put it in your pocket and cost prohibitive. A good idea but not what everyone wants.

Popcorn, coffee, the good stuff. That's why I use the microwave the most.

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