MOBI's take on the Iphone

thinking1 · 01-12-2007, 10:12 AM

Check out the MOBI blog. Just touches upon the Safari browser. Interesting to see what they think about it.

MOBI BLOG

yoyosean · 01-12-2007, 10:38 AM

thanks, very nice, much in the words of Mr. Padawer!

seanboy · 01-12-2007, 10:39 AM

i'm not sure what to make of that

vcool · 01-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Interesting blog. I too believe iphone will actually help mobile web and indirectly dotmobi as well.

vcool

Jeff · 01-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by seanboy

i'm not sure what to make of that

Me either, IMHO.
It seems it's good for the Mobile Web, and hopefully, one day, good, then, for .MOBI?

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Thanks for the assist.
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scandiman · 01-12-2007, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Me either, IMHO.
It seems it's good for the Mobile Web, and hopefully, one day, good, then, for .MOBI?

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Thanks for the assist.
-Jeff

Wow, that almost sounds positive!

namewaiter · 01-12-2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Wow, that almost sounds positive!

almost, but no, i don't think it does

scandiman · 01-12-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by namewaiter

almost, but no, i don't think it does

At least it wasn't clearly negative which I'll consider an improvement. Remember, as a .mobi fan, I'm am hopelessly optimistic

jollyjo · 01-12-2007, 11:18 AM

I see the point but found this part interesting:

"Well, yes. I've been a fan of the S60 browser (on the Nokia N80 phone) since last spring. I've been able to access rich, complex web sites on it. And yes, I've been using Google Maps too! So a glib answer to the question about how the iPhone affects dotMobi is... that it affects it in exactly the same way as many of today's phones do."

I a rich superficial UI already exists, what would prevent Apple and the other companies from further adjusting the technology to squeeze more relevant info from a .com or .net site and presenting it in a way that provides maximum utility for the user?

The Blog piece did a great job in reminding us of the marketing savvy of Apple. I think that that is the point to be taken. If MTLD does not act fast and if its marketing thrust is substandard...then it does not matter what their intentions are.
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Mr. Jobs and Company will simply have them for dinner.

Jeff · 01-12-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by scandiman

Wow, that almost sounds positive!

Originally Posted by namewaiter

almost, but no, i don't think it does

I'd say you're both right, IMHO.

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Have fun!
-Jeff

namewaiter · 01-12-2007, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Jeff

I'd say you're both right, IMHO.

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Have fun!
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lol

jacpar · 01-12-2007, 12:27 PM

One day «maybe mobi !» .... I still believe.

GeoOwners · 01-12-2007, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by jollyjo

I see the point but found this part interesting:

"Well, yes. I've been a fan of the S60 browser (on the Nokia N80 phone) since last spring. I've been able to access rich, complex web sites on it. And yes, I've been using Google Maps too! So a glib answer to the question about how the iPhone affects dotMobi is... that it affects it in exactly the same way as many of today's phones do."

I a rich superficial UI already exists, what would prevent Apple and the other companies from further adjusting the technology to squeeze more relevant info from a .com or .net site and presenting it in a way that provides maximum utility for the user?

The Blog piece did a great job in reminding us of the marketing savvy of Apple. I think that that is the point to be taken. If MTLD does not act fast and if its marketing thrust is substandard...then it does not matter what their intentions are.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=280424

Mr. Jobs and Company will simply have them for dinner.

NOPE...mltd can change the specs for .mobi web sites any time they want and thus make them as "rich" as any other on the web...almost like sneaking in the back door if you will...imho

and things such as Samsung or whoever branding a phone called the "mobi" will just be free advertising...

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 01:58 PM

I read it as lot of bad news for mobi and mTLD's mission. Specifically he understands that this is good news for the mobile web but of course he doesn't begin to touch the negative aspects on .mobi.

Quote:

So a glib answer to the question about how the iPhone affects dotMobi is... that it affects it in exactly the same way as many of today's phones do.

Not really an answer. The real answer to the question is that it makes the mission of .mobi and it's standards irrelevent. That phone/mobile technology are advancing FASTER than mTLD.

Can mTLD alter the mobi standards? YES...but if they do it basically renders them useless. Ultimately they must change their standard and that's why the long-term outlook for .mobi is very bad. It will be just another extension very similar to .org which is NOT a companies first choice to brand. Only specific companies will use the .mobi domain to brand themselves...companies that are mobile pureplays.

To the general public .mobi won't be much to consider. Speculators have repeatedly stated that it's too early for .mobi to be big and that it's 2 years from now that it will matter. Well guess what...that time frame just got trumped by technology. In 2 years there will be an abundance of mobile devices that can display full sites with minimal problems. If even 90% of all sites can be viewed on a mobile device that's enough to make most consumers happy. 90% would still be an overwhelming majority over .mobi developed domains that from my perspective look like garbage.

I still contend that people want the internet mobile...not a seperate mobile internet. When the technology can deliver this (rather soon now) then mTLD's .mobi mission will be old-school useless crap. It's like buying a Wireless router with 802.11b technology.

Bye-Bye .mobi

Quote:

Or to put it another way, with an acid test: if I was on the move, was running Internet Explorer 7 or Firefox 2 on my phone, and I knew that the site I want has both .com and .mobi addresses, which would I choose?
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It's easy: device and browser regardless, I still want to go to the site that targets my particular context (a human on the move). And that would be the .mobi address.

I wanted to address this quote seperately. I don't agree....the average person will go the .com as it's shorter to type and there is a good chance IE or FireFox2 would default to .com. He is deluding himself and others.

yoyosean · 01-12-2007, 02:35 PM

dude go away!

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by yoyosean

dude go away!

Feel free to add me to your ignore list in your usercp. It's the closest you will get to having me "go away". And thanks for adding to the discussion btw your input was invaluable.

yoyosean · 01-12-2007, 02:54 PM

i can see both side of the discussion, you cannot, you dont look at both sides your posts are mobi is useless let me save you money dont buy them. is that valuable input. we have heard your arguments .mobi is not needed they are idiots we are idiots. we get it. i have made many valid points and the CTO of mobi makes valid points but they dont agree with your one sided thinking.

SO Why do you continue to hang around here and post, your side has been argued those who believe have been argued, we will only know after the business model of mobi gets executed so what are you trying to prove?

Many here understand the risks of a new extension and they have made conscious decisions based on their belief in the need for mobi, you do not believe in it. If we are right we make money and you look like an idiot, if you are right we lose money and we look like idiots. What is left to say?

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 03:05 PM

I don't understand your anger over my participation in mobi discussions. And I can see both sides of the discussion...very clearly as a matter of fact. However I don't have to agree.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=280424

Read my comments in this thread.
http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/279...h-of-mobi.html

Basically I agree immensely with JeremyP's assessment of mobi. I think my posts are well laid out arguments and I try to make solid points. If you can't counter or accept my ideas and opinions that's your problem not mine. Like I said...you can use the ignore feature if you really want to ignore my posts. What I really think is that you want to ignore the truth of my posts.

What's really wrong? Do I make sense? Kind of sucks don't it.

B33R · 01-12-2007, 03:18 PM

labrocca makes a very valid point in yet another well thought out post.
If "dude go away!" is your response then I guess labrocca must've hit on a nerve and the .mobi forum is rapidly turning into the IDN forum.

Seriously, we all respect your views of .mobi and they can be thought of pretty much the same as every other idea out there, it's your choice, but if every person who posts something even remotely negative about .mobi is gonna get jumped on, and the thread subsequently locked because of it, then the entire forum is doomed.

Please can we all have a sensible discussion about .mobi regardless of your views on it? Try and remember there's two sides to every story and to fully understand the topic, BOTH should be fully explored.

Not to mention two little things called "freedom of speech" and "sensible discussion". The very principles and foundation of NamePros.

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 03:21 PM

Thanks b33r. I would have given you some rep but it seems I have to spread some around before giving you more.

btw..I think I will vote you for president.

gou · 01-12-2007, 03:25 PM

labrocca, the confusion may be arising from the inconsistency in your posts.
While you claim that you immensely agree with Jeremy, you've also used the phrase "Bye-Bye .mobi" in the very same thread. This reflects your attitude about the .mobi extension and implies that you wish the extension to fail. Remember, though, that Jeremy's thread is titled "iPhone marks the birth of .mobi."
Just a thought.

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 03:37 PM

Fail isn't how I would describe it. Irrelevent is where I would place it. I also just said in the News.mobi thread that it is a $500k-$2 million domain. I think I may fair assessments of mobi such as this comment.

Quote:

Only specific companies will use the .mobi domain to brand themselves...companies that are mobile pureplays.

News.mobi is a perfect example...so would ringtones.mobi or any other number of premium (held by mTLD) mobi's. Oddly I think that mTLD will profit immensely by these premium held domains. That's not failure for them. What's failure is some domainers still registering domains in the extension that have no place in the mobile world. Not all domains have value and I am not deluded enough to think because it has a .mobi on the end it's valuable.

I don't wish the extension to fail. I wish that domainers would be intelligent in their registration decisions and pricing. They are just placing money into the mTLD's hands. I don't blame mTLD as they are a complany trying to make money. Trying to make money is a good thing. However .mobi in many ways is starting to look like a Ponzi scheme where one buyer convinces the next buyer to sell to another buyer...eventually there will be no buyers and a foolish domainer will lose money. If most .mobi domains were being sold to end-users...I might think differently. From what I see...they are being traded between domainers for the most part.
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Thanks for your input gou.

-db- · 01-12-2007, 03:47 PM

Don't mind me... I'm just strolling thru the thread to see what's happening, and making sure everybody is calm and peaceful...

labrocca · 01-12-2007, 03:50 PM

Yeah we're cool. DB..you got any opinion on this thread subject matter? I would love to hear your take on this. Seems at NP a lot of experienced domainers have kept rather quiet around the mobi section.

scandiman · 01-12-2007, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Fail isn't how I would describe it. Irrelevent is where I would place it. I also just said in the News.mobi thread that it is a $500k-$2 million domain. I think I may fair assessments of mobi such as this comment.

Please understand our confusion with your views when you label .mobi irrelevant but then value one at up to $2 million in the next sentence.

Quote:

News.mobi is a perfect example...so would ringtones.mobi or any other number of premium (held by mTLD) mobi's. Oddly I think that mTLD will profit immensely by these premium held domains. That's not failure for them. What's failure is some domainers still registering domains in the extension that have no place in the mobile world. Not all domains have value and I am not deluded enough to think because it has a .mobi on the end it's valuable.

I don't wish the extension to fail. I wish that domainers would be intelligent in their registration decisions and pricing. They are just placing money into the mTLD's hands. I don't blame mTLD as they are a complany trying to make money. Trying to make money is a good thing. However .mobi in many ways is starting to look like a Ponzi scheme where one buyer convinces the next buyer to sell to another buyer...eventually there will be no buyers and a foolish domainer will lose money. If most .mobi domains were being sold to end-users...I might think differently. From what I see...they are being traded between domainers for the most part.
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Thanks for your input gou.

Domainers need to be intelligent no matter what the tld. When someone registers WordWordWord#Word.mobi and doesn't have a single hit, the problem isn't the tld.

I'm still of the opinion that if the iPhone brings more people to the internet then it is a good thing for .mobi. Good because more potential customers are outside and it is our job as web developers to build useful content and brands to draw them in. IMO, the real threat to .mobi's market appeal is not the scroll/zoom capabilities of a certain mobile browser, it is the sea of parking pages.

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01-12-2007, 11:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
jollyjo NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 81	I see the point but found this part interesting: "Well, yes. I've been a fan of the S60 browser (on the Nokia N80 phone) since last spring. I've been able to access rich, complex web sites on it. And yes, I've been using Google Maps too! So a glib answer to the question about how the iPhone affects dotMobi is... that it affects it in exactly the same way as many of today's phones do." I a rich superficial UI already exists, what would prevent Apple and the other companies from further adjusting the technology to squeeze more relevant info from a .com or .net site and presenting it in a way that provides maximum utility for the user? The Blog piece did a great job in reminding us of the marketing savvy of Apple. I think that that is the point to be taken. If MTLD does not act fast and if its marketing thrust is substandard...then it does not matter what their intentions are. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=280424 Mr. Jobs and Company will simply have them for dinner. __________________ JOLLYJO \|JOLLYJO TV

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yoyosean Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,180	i can see both side of the discussion, you cannot, you dont look at both sides your posts are mobi is useless let me save you money dont buy them. is that valuable input. we have heard your arguments .mobi is not needed they are idiots we are idiots. we get it. i have made many valid points and the CTO of mobi makes valid points but they dont agree with your one sided thinking. SO Why do you continue to hang around here and post, your side has been argued those who believe have been argued, we will only know after the business model of mobi gets executed so what are you trying to prove? Many here understand the risks of a new extension and they have made conscious decisions based on their belief in the need for mobi, you do not believe in it. If we are right we make money and you look like an idiot, if you are right we lose money and we look like idiots. What is left to say? __________________ *PokerOnline.hk BetOnline.hk California.hk UnitedKingdom.hk GolfCourses.hk Action.hk TexasHoldEm.TW*

01-12-2007, 10:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
seanboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,212	i'm not sure what to make of that

01-12-2007, 10:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
vcool NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: San Jose,CA Posts: 469	Interesting blog. I too believe iphone will actually help mobile web and indirectly dotmobi as well. vcool

01-12-2007, 12:27 PM	#12 (permalink)
jacpar NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Univers-city Posts: 561	One day «maybe mobi !» .... I still believe.

01-12-2007, 03:05 PM	#18 (permalink)
labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	I don't understand your anger over my participation in mobi discussions. And I can see both sides of the discussion...very clearly as a matter of fact. However I don't have to agree. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=280424 Read my comments in this thread. http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/279...h-of-mobi.html Basically I agree immensely with JeremyP's assessment of mobi. I think my posts are well laid out arguments and I try to make solid points. If you can't counter or accept my ideas and opinions that's your problem not mine. Like I said...you can use the ignore feature if you really want to ignore my posts. What I really think is that you want to ignore the truth of my posts. What's really wrong? Do I make sense? Kind of sucks don't it. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

01-12-2007, 03:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
B33R Account Suspended Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1,941	labrocca makes a very valid point in yet another well thought out post. If "dude go away!" is your response then I guess labrocca must've hit on a nerve and the .mobi forum is rapidly turning into the IDN forum. Seriously, we all respect your views of .mobi and they can be thought of pretty much the same as every other idea out there, it's your choice, but if every person who posts something even remotely negative about .mobi is gonna get jumped on, and the thread subsequently locked because of it, then the entire forum is doomed. Please can we all have a sensible discussion about .mobi regardless of your views on it? Try and remember there's two sides to every story and to fully understand the topic, BOTH should be fully explored. Not to mention two little things called "freedom of speech" and "sensible discussion". The very principles and foundation of NamePros.

01-12-2007, 03:21 PM	#20 (permalink)
labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	Thanks b33r. I would have given you some rep but it seems I have to spread some around before giving you more. btw..I think I will vote you for president. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

01-12-2007, 03:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
gou NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 711	labrocca, the confusion may be arising from the inconsistency in your posts. While you claim that you immensely agree with Jeremy, you've also used the phrase "Bye-Bye .mobi" in the very same thread. This reflects your attitude about the .mobi extension and implies that you wish the extension to fail. Remember, though, that Jeremy's thread is titled "iPhone marks the birth of .mobi." Just a thought.

01-12-2007, 03:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
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labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	Yeah we're cool. DB..you got any opinion on this thread subject matter? I would love to hear your take on this. Seems at NP a lot of experienced domainers have kept rather quiet around the mobi section. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

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