Newish Saying Goodbyeish

defaultuser · 03-19-2010, 11:03 PM

Don't have time or effort needed to make money at this game.

I may pop back to the Dev section because there is some useful stuff in there.

I've been turned off by the overall lack of intent shown. I guess I have learned what "domaining" is - it's monetizing with least effort. Between that and the underhanded sleaziness of the industry top down from VRSN to GoDaddy/Dynadot/Name I'm just not interested.
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I was never going to make this a career...thought it would be fun and its left me disappointed.

That said - many of the people here are great commenters and helpers and I do wish you all the best of luck.

Laters. I'll be back occasionally..... I have one more appraisal request to make and I'm off

Datalife · 03-20-2010, 03:12 AM

The ones making all the money are those with the "premium" domains which they dug up years ago. Newbies (today) often find it hard because there are very few or maybe none premium domains left.

You need to enter with a huge chunk of cash to buy your way up, but this is not what I would do. The economy could be in for a second round of turmoil and in such times, big investments on virtual property and virtual money are just not warranted.

I agree there is a lot of sleaziness in the domain industry. Humans tend to get sleazy when money seems to drop from the sky without any effort, lol.

I wish you the best.

defaultuser · 03-20-2010, 09:51 AM

Thanks. Where there is sleaze there is also good people.

I'll be back... just not as much as before. Perhaps when I have a real plan.

nielsencl · 03-20-2010, 11:07 AM

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I've been turned off by the overall lack of intent shown.

It's too bad you feel that way but I do understand how someone can get disillusioned.
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I didn't understand your statement above. I see tons of intent here, but maybe no all is very positive. Perhaps that is what you meant? If so, I would agree. There is a lot of ego and too much focus on making money without a real understanding of how business works or should work.

But there is no reason why you can't have fun at domaing, depending on how you define "fun". Domains can be a nice way to invest for the future if you develop a knack for finding things that will become more valuable. And a domain is one investment that you can use while you are waiting for it to increase in value, and you have the ability to make it more valuable by developing or promoting it.

Good Luck!!!

defaultuser · 03-20-2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by nielsencl

It's too bad you feel that way but I do understand how someone can get disillusioned.
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I didn't understand your statement above. I see tons of intent here, but maybe no all is very positive. Perhaps that is what you meant? If so, I would agree. There is a lot of ego and too much focus on making money without a real understanding of how business works or should work.

But there is no reason why you can't have fun at domaing, depending on how you define "fun". Domains can be a nice way to invest for the future if you develop a knack for finding things that will become more valuable. And a domain is one investment that you can use while you are waiting for it to increase in value, and you have the ability to make it more valuable by developing or promoting it.

Good Luck!!!

I'm having a hard time leaving. I think I'm just going to reduce time. No more random comments. I should probaby delete this thread given how successful I've been at going.

I'm disillusioned by the whole domain market. How drop-catch works, how auctions work, how discussions are more frequently about "conning users into visiting and hitting ads" than about building something interesting. I guess those are the domainers.

How sites charge for things and then don't refund properly (it's in the TOS) how they sell something and take it back (me and tv) - how nothing ever quite drops and stays parked through the entire redemption period to get picked up by partners.

I hate how everything turns into a TM discussion even when it seems to be fair use.. (ok with it otherwise)... hate how the registries hold TMs to ransom and then offload them onto some poor sucker who doesn't know better (see Porsche.me)

I hate how people abuse Grace Delete and domain tasting. I hate seeing people spend $200+ on something of no value when they have no experience. I hate experienced people selling them for $200 (it's a quad! What's that? Means a bargain you shouldn't walk away from!)

I simply DONT and CANT trust those in charge of the maintenance of domains leasing them out. THAT makes it hard to really enjoy it.... if only I could ignore it :-)

Still.. I'm still here....

nielsencl · 03-20-2010, 09:02 PM

Don't take this the wrong way, but my first thought when I started reading what you wrote was "What a cry-baby...", but then I thought, "Hey, this guy has some good experience that he should share with others...".

You can complain about stuff and give up, or... you could try to help make some changes. How would you like me to give you my domain, DomainerComplainer.net? You can set up a blog and bitch about all the crap that's wrong with domaining... as long as it's all true and documented and you don't make any personal attacks on any one person. :-)

Let me know. The domain is registered at ResellerClub.

defaultuser · 03-21-2010, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by nielsencl

Don't take this the wrong way, but my first thought when I started reading what you wrote was "What a cry-baby...", but then I thought, "Hey, this guy has some good experience that he should share with others..."..

More the first half than the latter - unfortunately. In part I'm trying to move away from trolling on np to actually DOING something. I have domains and ideas and I'm not even parking them!
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Originally Posted by nielsencl

You can complain about stuff and give up, or... you could try to help make some changes. How would you like me to give you my domain, DomainerComplainer.net? You can set up a blog and bitch about all the crap that's wrong with domaining... as long as it's all true and documented and you don't make any personal attacks on any one person. :-)

Let me know. The domain is registered at ResellerClub.

I have a couple of blogs already that I should use for this. I appreciate the offer... it's a great name but not for one person to do. If you turned it into a "contributors" blog I'd be happy to make a post.

I just bought some .TVs have a couple of decent .MEs so I'm sticking around in those forums... and looking to spend LESS time here and MORE time being something other than what I complain about.

Your post made me feel good though...

nielsencl · 03-21-2010, 11:22 AM

You don't sound quite so descouraged now... :-)

Yes, it's easy to have many domains and be so caught up in finding more that you don't do anything with the ones you have, until you need to renew them again. For parking, I recommend TrafficZ if your domains don't get much traffic.

I have the .com and .org for DomainerComplainer. My idea was to turn the .org into a forum, but that takes time. The offer still stands, otherwise I may try to find someone else who is worthy.

Do you think the tvs and mes are worth much? Of course it depends on the name, but I have been shedding ws, cn, infos, and anything else that cannot earn while parked. Now I'm one of those people fixated on .coms so that is almost all I am buying. It has to have sales potential, but it has to earn something while parked. Otherwise, it's a stupid business to be in. :-)

defaultuser · 03-21-2010, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by nielsencl

Do you think the tvs and mes are worth much? Of course it depends on the name, but I have been shedding ws, cn, infos, and anything else that cannot earn while parked. Now I'm one of those people fixated on .coms so that is almost all I am buying. It has to have sales potential, but it has to earn something while parked. Otherwise, it's a stupid business to be in. :-)

Honestly. I don't think the MEs are worth much (2 Dictionary Verb (one is also an area of Boston) and Saying... less are my 3 letter vanity domains that I'm using for professional email).I had an offer for $50 on one but that was someone who was a multi domainer looking for a cheap pickup

The problem is that one of the MEs is best as an "adult" domain and I have no idea how to get into that area at all.. lol

The TV market is interesting. Just got some real keyword ex-premium domains for reg fee that I think fit the domain really well. I just need to focus on developing them while they still have residual "premium parking" status.
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That and I have my blog which gets the most traffic though I don't update it nearly enough... less than once a fortnight... but I have friends :-)

If you create a multi editor blog and want contributions let me know :-)

glaxxon · 03-21-2010, 01:06 PM

Domaining is not exactly effortless. That is where you go wrong. You need a lot of knowledge and experience to overcome the problems you stated above. And yes you need to start with a bit of money these days to get somewhere in the industry...

dax44 · 03-21-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

Don't have time or effort needed to make money at this game.

I do sympathise with you .. it's a very strange business .. it is addictive and exhausting, exciting and disappointing and much more - but you cannot really expect to make money/be successful unless you DO have "time and effort" in any occupation, can you? Not legally/ethically anyway.

For sure without money to invest there is only one way to grow and that's slowly and steadily. Same in any business. Except gambling/lottery.

defaultuser · 03-21-2010, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by dax44

I do sympathise with you .. it's a very strange business .. it is addictive and exhausting, exciting and disappointing and much more - but you cannot really expect to make money/be successful unless you DO have "time and effort" in any occupation, can you? Not legally/ethically anyway.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=645834

For sure without money to invest there is only one way to grow and that's slowly and steadily. Same in any business. Except gambling/lottery.

Not make money.... break even

I just want to own cool domains without having to pay for them... THEN when I get time.. It's like coveting thy neighbours car..

03-19-2010, 11:03 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
defaultuser Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: In My Head Posts: 4,219	Newish Saying Goodbyeish Don't have time or effort needed to make money at this game. I may pop back to the Dev section because there is some useful stuff in there. I've been turned off by the overall lack of intent shown. I guess I have learned what "domaining" is - it's monetizing with least effort. Between that and the underhanded sleaziness of the industry top down from VRSN to GoDaddy/Dynadot/Name I'm just not interested. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/645834-newish-saying-goodbyeish.html I was never going to make this a career...thought it would be fun and its left me disappointed. That said - many of the people here are great commenters and helpers and I do wish you all the best of luck. Laters. I'll be back occasionally..... I have one more appraisal request to make and I'm off

03-20-2010, 03:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
Datalife NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Home and the internet Posts: 549	The ones making all the money are those with the "premium" domains which they dug up years ago. Newbies (today) often find it hard because there are very few or maybe none premium domains left. You need to enter with a huge chunk of cash to buy your way up, but this is not what I would do. The economy could be in for a second round of turmoil and in such times, big investments on virtual property and virtual money are just not warranted. I agree there is a lot of sleaziness in the domain industry. Humans tend to get sleazy when money seems to drop from the sky without any effort, lol. I wish you the best. __________________ Shrink films

03-20-2010, 09:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,513	Don't take this the wrong way, but my first thought when I started reading what you wrote was "What a cry-baby...", but then I thought, "Hey, this guy has some good experience that he should share with others...". You can complain about stuff and give up, or... you could try to help make some changes. How would you like me to give you my domain, DomainerComplainer.net? You can set up a blog and bitch about all the crap that's wrong with domaining... as long as it's all true and documented and you don't make any personal attacks on any one person. :-) Let me know. The domain is registered at ResellerClub. __________________ Lorraine Bowman - Internet Expert Witness - Bankrupture - Ad Creation Marketplace - How To Sell Domain Name

03-21-2010, 11:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
nielsencl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,513	You don't sound quite so descouraged now... :-) Yes, it's easy to have many domains and be so caught up in finding more that you don't do anything with the ones you have, until you need to renew them again. For parking, I recommend TrafficZ if your domains don't get much traffic. I have the .com and .org for DomainerComplainer. My idea was to turn the .org into a forum, but that takes time. The offer still stands, otherwise I may try to find someone else who is worthy. Do you think the tvs and mes are worth much? Of course it depends on the name, but I have been shedding ws, cn, infos, and anything else that cannot earn while parked. Now I'm one of those people fixated on .coms so that is almost all I am buying. It has to have sales potential, but it has to earn something while parked. Otherwise, it's a stupid business to be in. :-) __________________ Lorraine Bowman - Internet Expert Witness - Bankrupture - Ad Creation Marketplace - How To Sell Domain Name

03-20-2010, 09:51 AM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
defaultuser Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: In My Head Posts: 4,219	Thanks. Where there is sleaze there is also good people. I'll be back... just not as much as before. Perhaps when I have a real plan.

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