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GreenGambler · 06-28-2009, 03:28 PM

Hey eveyone,

I have a domain name that I am getting ready to sell to an end-user, hopefully. By searching the name in Google I have been able to aquire over 1000 potential end user emails. (It took me like 5 days, a couple hours each day, and lots of patience.) If I keep searching I know I can get more email addresses but I think I am done, it's becoming a bit tedious.

What do you think is the best way to list my name for sale? The end users are a diverse group of people, some whom may have never thought to own this domain name.

I was thinking of just sending out a BIN price to them all and wait for the offers to come in but I don't know if that will result in the highest potential sale price.

Then I thought about Sedo or TDNAM but I think that 90% of the people I'm emailing have probably never heard of either of those sites and might consider my email a potential scam or joke.

My final thought is Ebay. I do have an Ebay account with around 70 sales and 100% positive feedback but I have never sold a domain name on Ebay before. I know if you just list it and hope that people come to bid, you usually don't see very good results, however I am wondering if I include a link to the auction in my 1000+ emails, will I then get some good bids. Almost everyone has used or currently uses Ebay for one thing or another, right?

So what is the best way to list a name for sale that is going to be presented to over 1000 potential end users?

You thought's and ideas are appreciated.
GG

spycraft · 06-28-2009, 03:40 PM

Even though I am not a professional in that field... I would have to say eBay is your best option.

Like you said, almost everyone knows of eBay and even if they don't use it, you know that someone close to them does.

Sedo, TDnam and the rest are brands they have probably never heard of before. Even if some of them are open to the idea of buying through them - it's certain that you will lose some.

Hope this helps!

Good luck

DavidH · 06-28-2009, 03:53 PM

If you have 1000+ potential endusers, the name must be pretty good or popular in its niche (I have never got that high but have sent out emails to 100+ potential end users for a number of different names).

For my best domain name sale ever ($11,000 from a $30 registration) I emailed about 80 parties telling them that the name was available and asked them to let me know what they thought it was worth to them. The quality of the name basically sold itself and I got loads of replies with some starting offers.

I then played the offers against one another and set a final deadline for best offers, letting people know how many were bidding for the name but obviously not revealing any identities. I eventually agreed a sale with the most likely buyer, an owner of a similar name but a hyphenated dot net and this was the non hyphenated dot com.

This was a few years ago but it workedfor me.Maybe today other people have more sophisticated ways of getting a good sale.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

GreenGambler · 06-28-2009, 03:55 PM

Another question I'd like to ask is how I should go about sending all of these emails.

I know that doing it personalized, one by one, is the best option but I'm affraid that would be way to time intensive for this situation.

What if I send the email to myself and Bcc the rest of them, will that make it look personalized? Will my email even allow me to send over 1000 emails at once.. LOL Ive never really tried.

In case your wondering, the name I own and am selling is a somewhat general term for a type of business that there are probably at least a thousand of in this country alone. The name, though general, is yet somewhat specific to these companies and would fit each one perfectly. I have been able to gain about 20 email addresses from each company so-far, I figure the more the better. The company type is one where employees themselves might be interested in owning the domain name for there own business use within their company. Therefore I am emailing employees and business owners, general managers and website developers, marketing directors, account exec's, etc. etc..

I hope I get a good response.

And I am going to be sure to be very professional and polite, excuseing the cold mailing, etc.

DavidH · 06-28-2009, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by GreenGambler

I know that doing it personalized, one by one, is the best option but I'm affraid that would be way to time intensive for this situation.

I always send out emails individually and personalised to individual parties.

Are you saying that you are not expecting to get a high value for the name if the effort needed is too time intensive?

Even if it took me all day to send out 1000 emails (or several evenings like I usually do around a full time job), I would have thought a reasonable end user sale (if you have that many potential buyers) should probably make the effort worthwhile in terms of reward per hour.

What sort of price level are you looking at? xxxx, xx,xxx ?

Forgot to add, Gmail will let you send 250 emails a day I think, so you would need to send the whole lot over several days to avoid any possibility of spamming problems with your email provider.

GreenGambler · 06-28-2009, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by DavidH

I always send out emails individually and personalised to individual parties.

Are you saying that you are not expecting to get a high value for the name if the effort needed is too time intensive?

Even if it took me all day to send out 1000 emails (or several evenings like I usually do around a full time job), I would have thought a reasonable end user sale (if you have that many potential buyers) should probably make the effort worthwhile in terms of reward per hour.

What sort of price level are you looking at? xxxx, xx,xxx ?

Forgot to add, Gmail will let you send 250 emails a day I think, so you would need to send the whole lot over several days to avoid any possibility of spamming problems with your email provider.

Sending 1000 emails individually is gonna take some time, and I do also work a full time job.. LOL But as you said, it will most likely be worthwile. I'm not sure what price Im expecting. I have had 2 offers in the past, come via email, for around $500 each. I'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully it will do well.

shane mac · 06-28-2009, 07:04 PM

If its a great keyword name or very relevent to them then set a Bin,or set a minimum Bid.The email could be forwarded in a way that you have had interest and were going to develop,but thought you would ask prospective business's too before deciding to sell.Add quality keyword results too and explain the benefits of owning the name to them.

GreenGambler · 06-28-2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by shane mac

If its a great keyword name or very relevent to them then set a Bin,or set a minimum Bid.The email could be forwarded in a way that you have had interest and were going to develop,but thought you would ask prospective business's too before deciding to sell.Add quality keyword results too and explain the benefits of owning the name to them.

Thanks for the advice man. I really don't need to upsell the name, it has obvious benefits. And I think I will set a reserve on the auction and maybe like a $25 starting bid or something. I've been reading the "how to find potential users" thread and getting good tips on how to compose my contact message to them. I've contacted End Users many times befor offering names for sale, FSBO, but not directing them to an Ebay Auction of mine.

kev · 07-03-2009, 05:15 AM

Email Marketing | Email Marketing Software | Interspire Email Marketer

Id recommend using this.

For sending say 1000 emails, it tracks how many people open your email, click on your links and gives you a good idea that what your doing is actually helping.

Expensive at $495 but it's a good purchase so Im told

garptrader · 07-03-2009, 08:36 AM

Finding potential end users (with contact email) is time consuming and the only way to justify the time spent is if the effort has a reasonable likelihood of generating a sale. The higher the price you seek, the less likely a sale will be made. Non-domainers don't have the same appreciation for domains (branding, SEO, traffic) that domainers have. Many just think you paid $10 last week and are trying to scam them for XXX to XXXX. So while I believe marketing can have some benefit, one's time should not be undervalued. Perhaps a smaller but more targeted list would be appropriate. Be reasonable with price as given the economy buyers need to perceive value to make a purchase. Only go through this labor-intensive effort with your best names. Best of luck.

werty · 07-03-2009, 10:10 AM

I would say direct sale through them. No marketplace. Just you and them. If you really want to sell it, keep yourself in the $xxx range. I am assuming that the name is good and is worth the price. I only send 20-30 emails per domain. So I think you have more than enough.

intheflow · 07-03-2009, 11:30 AM

Compiling a list of emails from search/whois information shouldn't take a long time. Automation is your friend whenever you are faced with a tedious, repetitive task.

If you are using your own client software, the number of emails/day you can send depends upon your ISP and any outgoing SMTP server limits they may place on your account. If you are using an account from gmail or hotmail etc... then your limits will be much lower. Find your ISP's outgoing SMTP server address and use a simple mailing app. If your ISP has a limit then you can use an SMTP service on the internet. I prefer to do high numbers myself. It's like picking up girls; There are going to be a number of girls that aren't interested so the more girls you talk to, the greater your chances of getting a favorable response are. Once again, sending out 1000's of emails manually is not very practical. Best bet is to send a bunch out and forget about them, not expecting much. The right buyer is often not a hard sell, but it may be the first one you email or the 4000th one.

bmugford · 07-03-2009, 11:38 AM

I think 1000 is far too many end users unless the projected sales price makes the effort spent worth it. It would need to be at least a low $XX,XXX sale.

I normally send out end user emails to 15-20 of the most likely buyers. I would rather sell a bunch of domains in the Mid $XXX range and then reinvest in better domains that are long term holds waiting for the right offer.

Brad

Originally Posted by werty

I would say direct sale through them. No marketplace. Just you and them. If you really want to sell it, keep yourself in the $xxx range. I am assuming that the name is good and is worth the price. I only send 20-30 emails per domain. So I think you have more than enough.

GreenGambler · 07-03-2009, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

I think 1000 is far too many end users unless the projected sales price makes the effort spent worth it.
Brad

Yeah, I actually went through my list and removed quite a few e-mail addy's. Some were a bit redundant and others I think I just added to add.. LOL

I now have my list down to about 700, still quite a bit. I've set up a sales@domainforsale.com email address and am going to start sending them out tomorrow. I figure I can do about 200/day and list the name as a 10 day auction.

I really don't know what to expect from this name, like I said I have had a couple solid $500 offers in the past from people in the type of business I"m emailing. But I"ve also had people in the past on NP tell me mid to low XX.. lol. Im hopeing for good things but am ready for the worst. I think I will start the bidding at $12.99 with no reserve and a low x,xxx BIN. I'll definetly let you all know how it's going in a few days.

kev · 07-04-2009, 05:59 AM

keep us posted on how you get on

EG.domains · 07-04-2009, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by kev

Email Marketing | Email Marketing Software | Interspire Email Marketer

Id recommend using this.

For sending say 1000 emails, it tracks how many people open your email, click on your links and gives you a good idea that what your doing is actually helping.

Expensive at $495 but it's a good purchase so Im told

Nice software. Have you tried it with end-users?

06-28-2009, 03:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
GreenGambler Visit -- NameManor.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri--USA Posts: 3,178 37.70 NP$ (Donate)	1000+ end user emails, best place to sell? Hey eveyone, I have a domain name that I am getting ready to sell to an end-user, hopefully. By searching the name in Google I have been able to aquire over 1000 potential end user emails. (It took me like 5 days, a couple hours each day, and lots of patience.) If I keep searching I know I can get more email addresses but I think I am done, it's becoming a bit tedious. What do you think is the best way to list my name for sale? The end users are a diverse group of people, some whom may have never thought to own this domain name. I was thinking of just sending out a BIN price to them all and wait for the offers to come in but I don't know if that will result in the highest potential sale price. Then I thought about Sedo or TDNAM but I think that 90% of the people I'm emailing have probably never heard of either of those sites and might consider my email a potential scam or joke. My final thought is Ebay. I do have an Ebay account with around 70 sales and 100% positive feedback but I have never sold a domain name on Ebay before. I know if you just list it and hope that people come to bid, you usually don't see very good results, however I am wondering if I include a link to the auction in my 1000+ emails, will I then get some good bids. Almost everyone has used or currently uses Ebay for one thing or another, right? So what is the best way to list a name for sale that is going to be presented to over 1000 potential end users? You thought's and ideas are appreciated. GG __________________ STOP ¦ 75.com'sZilj,Fahv,Mewv,Winur,A--D+!■▀■SHORT.coms BID NOW on NP ¦ STOP

06-28-2009, 03:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
spycraft NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 384 130.05 NP$ (Donate)	Even though I am not a professional in that field... I would have to say eBay is your best option. Like you said, almost everyone knows of eBay and even if they don't use it, you know that someone close to them does. Sedo, TDnam and the rest are brands they have probably never heard of before. Even if some of them are open to the idea of buying through them - it's certain that you will lose some. Hope this helps! Good luck __________________ WTS 100+ Domains - Quitting - Getting Rid Of Everything - CRAZY Prices ----------------------->CLEARANCE - 150 Domains<-----------------------

06-28-2009, 03:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
DavidH NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Durham, UK Posts: 976 548.00 NP$ (Donate)	If you have 1000+ potential endusers, the name must be pretty good or popular in its niche (I have never got that high but have sent out emails to 100+ potential end users for a number of different names). For my best domain name sale ever ($11,000 from a $30 registration) I emailed about 80 parties telling them that the name was available and asked them to let me know what they thought it was worth to them. The quality of the name basically sold itself and I got loads of replies with some starting offers. I then played the offers against one another and set a final deadline for best offers, letting people know how many were bidding for the name but obviously not revealing any identities. I eventually agreed a sale with the most likely buyer, an owner of a similar name but a hyphenated dot net and this was the non hyphenated dot com. This was a few years ago but it workedfor me.Maybe today other people have more sophisticated ways of getting a good sale. Good luck with whatever you decide to do. __________________ Please help Tilly who is a 3 year old toddler who lost both her hands due to Meningitis. "Give Tilly A Hand" appeal www.GiveTillyAHand.co.uk

06-28-2009, 03:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
GreenGambler Visit -- NameManor.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Missouri--USA Posts: 3,178 37.70 NP$ (Donate)	Another question I'd like to ask is how I should go about sending all of these emails. I know that doing it personalized, one by one, is the best option but I'm affraid that would be way to time intensive for this situation. What if I send the email to myself and Bcc the rest of them, will that make it look personalized? Will my email even allow me to send over 1000 emails at once.. LOL Ive never really tried. In case your wondering, the name I own and am selling is a somewhat general term for a type of business that there are probably at least a thousand of in this country alone. The name, though general, is yet somewhat specific to these companies and would fit each one perfectly. I have been able to gain about 20 email addresses from each company so-far, I figure the more the better. The company type is one where employees themselves might be interested in owning the domain name for there own business use within their company. Therefore I am emailing employees and business owners, general managers and website developers, marketing directors, account exec's, etc. etc.. I hope I get a good response. And I am going to be sure to be very professional and polite, excuseing the cold mailing, etc. __________________ STOP ¦ 75.com'sZilj,Fahv,Mewv,Winur,A--D+!■▀■SHORT.coms BID NOW on NP ¦ STOP Last edited by GreenGambler; 06-28-2009 at 04:05 PM.

07-03-2009, 05:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
kev Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,610 850.55 NP$ (Donate)	Email Marketing \| Email Marketing Software \| Interspire Email Marketer Id recommend using this. For sending say 1000 emails, it tracks how many people open your email, click on your links and gives you a good idea that what your doing is actually helping. Expensive at $495 but it's a good purchase so Im told __________________ 50 Single Letter domains for sale with strong aftermarket prices - BIN of $89,000 for the rest of the portfolio

06-28-2009, 07:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
shane mac NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2009 Location: Uk Posts: 687 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	If its a great keyword name or very relevent to them then set a Bin,or set a minimum Bid.The email could be forwarded in a way that you have had interest and were going to develop,but thought you would ask prospective business's too before deciding to sell.Add quality keyword results too and explain the benefits of owning the name to them.

07-03-2009, 08:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
garptrader NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 446 125.00 NP$ (Donate)	End users Finding potential end users (with contact email) is time consuming and the only way to justify the time spent is if the effort has a reasonable likelihood of generating a sale. The higher the price you seek, the less likely a sale will be made. Non-domainers don't have the same appreciation for domains (branding, SEO, traffic) that domainers have. Many just think you paid $10 last week and are trying to scam them for XXX to XXXX. So while I believe marketing can have some benefit, one's time should not be undervalued. Perhaps a smaller but more targeted list would be appropriate. Be reasonable with price as given the economy buyers need to perceive value to make a purchase. Only go through this labor-intensive effort with your best names. Best of luck. __________________ http://www.genericdomains.net/ http://www.dominericos.com/ http://www.premiumdomains.tv/

07-03-2009, 10:10 AM	#11 (permalink)
werty NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 299 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	I would say direct sale through them. No marketplace. Just you and them. If you really want to sell it, keep yourself in the $xxx range. I am assuming that the name is good and is worth the price. I only send 20-30 emails per domain. So I think you have more than enough.

07-03-2009, 11:30 AM	#12 (permalink)
intheflow NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 100 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Use email app and SMTP server Compiling a list of emails from search/whois information shouldn't take a long time. Automation is your friend whenever you are faced with a tedious, repetitive task. If you are using your own client software, the number of emails/day you can send depends upon your ISP and any outgoing SMTP server limits they may place on your account. If you are using an account from gmail or hotmail etc... then your limits will be much lower. Find your ISP's outgoing SMTP server address and use a simple mailing app. If your ISP has a limit then you can use an SMTP service on the internet. I prefer to do high numbers myself. It's like picking up girls; There are going to be a number of girls that aren't interested so the more girls you talk to, the greater your chances of getting a favorable response are. Once again, sending out 1000's of emails manually is not very practical. Best bet is to send a bunch out and forget about them, not expecting much. The right buyer is often not a hard sell, but it may be the first one you email or the 4000th one. __________________ Find End Users---> sell domain name \| Asian dating \| asian love \| Luxury hotels Bangkok \| Airport hotels Bangkok

07-04-2009, 05:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
kev Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,610 850.55 NP$ (Donate)	keep us posted on how you get on __________________ 50 Single Letter domains for sale with strong aftermarket prices - BIN of $89,000 for the rest of the portfolio

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