People say to stay away from numbers in your domain name. But

GeneSimmons · 10-08-2008, 05:30 AM

People say to stay away from numbers in your domain name. But they also talk very highly about 3 and 4 letter domains. So what about a domain with 3 letters and 1 number or a domain with 2 letters and a number. Does the number rule still apply. I mean if you find either of these and able to sell it for even a small profit is it worth the effort,are they really that hard to to find.

And if I did locate any should I just hold them or sell them right away.

As you can see I am full of questions.

zabijaq · 10-08-2008, 03:50 PM

Who searches for numbers? Who type-in domains with numbers? Who type-in numbers + letters? There is chance that people who visits 8chicks.com will later visit eightchicks.com. Domain if spelled or read is much longer. number often isn't keyword and barely helps in keyword combination. If people search for numbers, they write "six" not "6" as they know in text it will be more often.
There are some valueable number domains like for example big US city ZIPs.

DomainReseller · 10-08-2008, 03:58 PM

There are quite a few factors to consider. The "number rule" is not as critical when dealing with short domain names. Even with the short domain names, some purchases are better than others. A domain name like zx9q.com is probably not as valuable as abc1.com. Some of these domain names can be resold for a profit. Domain name values tend to increase with age, but you should calculate the profit potential before spending too much time trying to sell the domain.

Demonised.com · 10-08-2008, 05:04 PM

Some valid points from zabijaq, but I wouldn't dismiss domains with numbers altogether like that. Since OP asked about numbers in short domains I think it'd be good to elaborate on that. I agree with DomainReseller - good points too.

Keep in mind also that if you have a three character domain - then it is definitely valuable. Even X9Q.com is valuable. In terms of use, I couldn't think of one right away for X9Q... maybe a car model?... but these 3c dot com domains are very valuable.

Once you go into 4characters then this becomes a risky territory. Even though all 4 letter .com's are sold out... ones with numbers are still available. It really depends on the combination and where the number appears... 1car.com / 1ton.com etc. definitely valuable.... cz9q.com - most likely not.

Also names that are "leet" sometimes carry some decent value... eg. S3XY.com - B4NK.com - C4RZ.com etc.

Anyway... its not a market I'd heavily invest in. Maybe 2-3 names just for the heck of it... but I'd not go spending too much in such a risky niche.

bionichead · 10-08-2008, 06:59 PM

According to Alexa:

The 16th most popular domain in the world is:
Hi5.com

The 24th most popular domain in the world is:
fc2.com

The 94th most popular domain in the world is:
Ku6.com

That shows you three immediate facts.

Fact 1 - A domain with a number can be successful.
Fact 2 - Though three domains containing numbers made it into the top 100 global sites, 97 of those same 100 sites contained only letters.
Fact 3 - The three domains containing numbers that made it to the top all contained the same pattern LLN.com.

That leads me to conclude, at the moment:

Letters have a better chance, but there are exceptions.
Numbers are a lot more risky and more work.
A number works best at the end rather than the middle or beginning.
Short, as always, is best.

namenut · 10-08-2008, 08:57 PM

I might make the point that there are premium numbers and bad number to consider. Also some cultures value number differently as US and even Europe. Namely Asian cultures.

As for the short names use ... I hold a few premium three letter + 1 (OEF1.com). My reasoning is that the #1 is a premium number and signifies the leader in an industry or the best 1st etc. ABC.com might cost 15k and abc1.com is more obtainable by an end user.

Other number are popular to subcultures like 13 and 420 both having connotations to pot (marijuana). Number 7 is for luck. The #4 is a bad number for Asians but the # 8 is good. So the combination placement and use play a big role.

You also have leet (L33T) names in that numbers are substituted for letters. These are desirable in the techie, geek, urban and sub culture worlds. An example would be L4SVEG4S.com (yep it's mine)

The general market may not show much interest. But when you do find an interested party they are usually a bit more fanatic about the name. So as a blanket rule it holds water but not for niche or brandable markets.

PS
Welcome to NPs Gene.

Good luck
namenut

duodec · 10-08-2008, 09:01 PM

Zabijaq mentioned ZIP codes. There may be other options where a number sequence is special and well known. At least in some circles, and perhaps enough to be worth consideration.

The only ones I can think of right now are automotive; for example something with z28 (Chevy Camaro), 426 (Chrysler classic Hemi engine), 240z (Datsun sports car), 455SD (Pontiac engine). I'm certain there are other areas with numeric 'keywords' that could be useful, though getting just that keyword domain is sure to be difficult.

GeneSimmons · 10-09-2008, 05:24 AM

So far so good. I really want to thank everyone that has posted. I am trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can. Every answer I get brings me more knowledge to help me but also makes me more able to provide help to others in our community. Understanding,knowledge and willingness to share are great things when received as well as shared. The more I receive, the more I promise to share.

More input is welcome.

maxeaus · 10-09-2008, 05:37 AM

Rarity plays a part in 3 character domains for example, and they are particularly popular with the asian market.

China loves numbers, they are everywhere in their culture. I like them too, they are a good long term investment i think.

You should study sales on Sedo and other market places to see how much they sell for and why.

eFingerz · 10-09-2008, 01:17 PM

iv got some that i think are good
and would like to hold on to unless i get some great offers

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Lucysmith · 10-13-2008, 01:58 AM

don't have much to say as i am known to this fact , so don't feel able to comment upon it

weblord · 10-13-2008, 02:06 AM

if you're goal is to sell them then it's not good getting these numbered ones, but sell a full word, these ones are for keeps.
like i have 1weblord.com and 1lists.com i have no intention of selling them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneSimmons

I mean if you find either of these and able to sell it for even a small profit is it worth the effort,are they really that hard to to find.

And if I did locate any should I just hold them or sell them right away.

As you can see I am full of questions.

bmugford · 10-13-2008, 10:44 AM

Sometimes ending numbers like 101, 247, 360, 365, 411 are acceptable.

I know I would be happy to buy a domain like Stocks101.com

But in general, in less you know what you are doing, you are best to avoid them unless they are in a pattern like CCC.com

ssamriga · 10-13-2008, 12:25 PM

I recently checked some 247 sales an were amazed for how much those go, keyword247.com...

Maurizio1230 · 10-15-2008, 10:17 AM

Sorry but why do you consider 101, 247, 360, 365, 411 acceptable at domain end?

bmugford · 10-15-2008, 11:00 AM

They all have meanings, they are not just random numbers. Go to NameBio.com and you will see solid sales with each of those numbers in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maurizio1230

Sorry but why do you consider 101, 247, 360, 365, 411 acceptable at domain end?

10-08-2008, 05:30 AM	#1 (permalink)
GeneSimmons NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	People say to stay away from numbers in your domain name. But People say to stay away from numbers in your domain name. But they also talk very highly about 3 and 4 letter domains. So what about a domain with 3 letters and 1 number or a domain with 2 letters and a number. Does the number rule still apply. I mean if you find either of these and able to sell it for even a small profit is it worth the effort,are they really that hard to to find. And if I did locate any should I just hold them or sell them right away. As you can see I am full of questions.

10-08-2008, 03:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
DomainReseller Positive Hacker Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In your PC eating your cookies //3 Posts: 173 90.50 NP$ (Donate)	There are quite a few factors to consider. The "number rule" is not as critical when dealing with short domain names. Even with the short domain names, some purchases are better than others. A domain name like zx9q.com is probably not as valuable as abc1.com. Some of these domain names can be resold for a profit. Domain name values tend to increase with age, but you should calculate the profit potential before spending too much time trying to sell the domain. __________________ New blog launched! - MattPress.com Have you tried a Virtual Remote Desktop yet? EvenOverHere.com

10-08-2008, 05:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Demonised.com a.k.a OneTime Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,343 152.80 NP$ (Donate)	Some valid points from zabijaq, but I wouldn't dismiss domains with numbers altogether like that. Since OP asked about numbers in short domains I think it'd be good to elaborate on that. I agree with DomainReseller - good points too. Keep in mind also that if you have a three character domain - then it is definitely valuable. Even X9Q.com is valuable. In terms of use, I couldn't think of one right away for X9Q... maybe a car model?... but these 3c dot com domains are very valuable. Once you go into 4characters then this becomes a risky territory. Even though all 4 letter .com's are sold out... ones with numbers are still available. It really depends on the combination and where the number appears... 1car.com / 1ton.com etc. definitely valuable.... cz9q.com - most likely not. Also names that are "leet" sometimes carry some decent value... eg. S3XY.com - B4NK.com - C4RZ.com etc. Anyway... its not a market I'd heavily invest in. Maybe 2-3 names just for the heck of it... but I'd not go spending too much in such a risky niche. __________________ Brandable 5L Domains @ eBay from $0.99 - inc. Pefoo.com, Feddu.com & Joodu.com Gimpz.com @ Sedo Auction, Reserve Met Ending today!!! Catch me on Twitter*

10-08-2008, 06:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
bionichead BionicHead.com Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Cathedral City, California Posts: 1,084 3,185.25 NP$ (Donate)	According to Alexa: The 16th most popular domain in the world is: Hi5.com The 24th most popular domain in the world is: fc2.com The 94th most popular domain in the world is: Ku6.com That shows you three immediate facts. Fact 1 - A domain with a number can be successful. Fact 2 - Though three domains containing numbers made it into the top 100 global sites, 97 of those same 100 sites contained only letters. Fact 3 - The three domains containing numbers that made it to the top all contained the same pattern LLN.com. That leads me to conclude, at the moment: Letters have a better chance, but there are exceptions. Numbers are a lot more risky and more work. A number works best at the end rather than the middle or beginning. Short, as always, is best. __________________ Cigarettes.CC, Cigarettes.ST, Cigarettes.TEL, Cigarette.TEL, SENECA CIGARETTES, CigOutlet.com, CigarettteValue

10-08-2008, 08:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
namenut Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 2,168 1,540.59 NP$ (Donate)	I might make the point that there are premium numbers and bad number to consider. Also some cultures value number differently as US and even Europe. Namely Asian cultures. As for the short names use ... I hold a few premium three letter + 1 (OEF1.com). My reasoning is that the #1 is a premium number and signifies the leader in an industry or the best 1st etc. ABC.com might cost 15k and abc1.com is more obtainable by an end user. Other number are popular to subcultures like 13 and 420 both having connotations to pot (marijuana). Number 7 is for luck. The #4 is a bad number for Asians but the # 8 is good. So the combination placement and use play a big role. You also have leet (L33T) names in that numbers are substituted for letters. These are desirable in the techie, geek, urban and sub culture worlds. An example would be L4SVEG4S.com (yep it's mine) The general market may not show much interest. But when you do find an interested party they are usually a bit more fanatic about the name. So as a blanket rule it holds water but not for niche or brandable markets. PS Welcome to NPs Gene. Good luck namenut __________________ Vividly.net 3GsReview.com \|iPhone3GsForSale.com \| 3GSApps.org RXXP.com Last edited by namenut; 10-08-2008 at 09:00 PM. Reason: Welcome to NPs

10-08-2008, 03:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
zabijaq Account Suspended Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 271 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Who searches for numbers? Who type-in domains with numbers? Who type-in numbers + letters? There is chance that people who visits 8chicks.com will later visit eightchicks.com. Domain if spelled or read is much longer. number often isn't keyword and barely helps in keyword combination. If people search for numbers, they write "six" not "6" as they know in text it will be more often. There are some valueable number domains like for example big US city ZIPs.

10-08-2008, 09:01 PM	#7 (permalink)
duodec NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ill Annoy Posts: 33 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Zabijaq mentioned ZIP codes. There may be other options where a number sequence is special and well known. At least in some circles, and perhaps enough to be worth consideration. The only ones I can think of right now are automotive; for example something with z28 (Chevy Camaro), 426 (Chrysler classic Hemi engine), 240z (Datsun sports car), 455SD (Pontiac engine). I'm certain there are other areas with numeric 'keywords' that could be useful, though getting just that keyword domain is sure to be difficult.

10-09-2008, 05:24 AM	#8 (permalink)
GeneSimmons NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	So far so good. I really want to thank everyone that has posted. I am trying to learn as much as I can as fast as I can. Every answer I get brings me more knowledge to help me but also makes me more able to provide help to others in our community. Understanding,knowledge and willingness to share are great things when received as well as shared. The more I receive, the more I promise to share. More input is welcome.

10-09-2008, 05:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
maxeaus NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 874 506.60 NP$ (Donate)	Rarity plays a part in 3 character domains for example, and they are particularly popular with the asian market. China loves numbers, they are everywhere in their culture. I like them too, they are a good long term investment i think. You should study sales on Sedo and other market places to see how much they sell for and why. __________________ FSRX.com - NicheTips.com - CPPS.com - VirtualArtwork.com - DREZ.com - Vibey.com - GUFU.com - DOZP.com

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eFingerz NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ImageHostIMG.com Posts: 501 893.07 NP$ (Donate)	iv got some that i think are good and would like to hold on to unless i get some great offers all pronounceable and brandable if ud ask me L8M8 Late Mate 25IT IUR1 XUR1 M8ME UR20 UR24 M8MY __________________ :██:ClickNShare:██: █ Free :camera: Host █ :tu:\|Click To Share Info\|:tu: %%-HTML Web Host%%-X uR pic%%-

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Lucysmith Account Closed Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 18 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	don't have much to say as i am known to this fact , so don't feel able to comment upon it

10-13-2008, 10:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
bmugford www.DataCube.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: USA Posts: 3,353 1,696.78 NP$ (Donate)	Sometimes ending numbers like 101, 247, 360, 365, 411 are acceptable. I know I would be happy to buy a domain like Stocks101.com But in general, in less you know what you are doing, you are best to avoid them unless they are in a pattern like CCC.com __________________ DataCube.com - Buy and Sell Premium Domains

10-13-2008, 12:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
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