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Old 07-31-2008, 02:57 PM   · #1
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Which is better?

Which is better?

www.buycars.com or www.buy-cars.com

Thats just a random example but is it better to have a domain with a dash or without?

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Old 07-31-2008, 03:04 PM   · #2
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I'd say without, I don't like hyphens, they tend to devalue the domain.
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Old 07-31-2008, 03:48 PM   · #3
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without is usually best.
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:20 PM   · #4
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Definitely without. Think of telling someone verbally. BuyCars.com=much easier to say.
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:29 PM   · #5
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if you can get your hands on the first one, then get that one, if you're branding it and with seo, get both.
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:33 PM   · #6
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buycars dot com is better
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Old 07-31-2008, 04:54 PM   · #7
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seems like an easy choice considering people don't like - in their domains. i'll start another one. what's better, buycars.net or buycars.org?
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Old 07-31-2008, 05:59 PM   · #8
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No dashes if possible and the .net is better than the .org in your example IMO.

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Old 07-31-2008, 06:55 PM   · #9
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Why is it easier to brand a domain with dashes for SEO?

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Old 07-31-2008, 09:12 PM   · #10
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In this example BuyCars.com is clearly better, however that type of domain is out of the price range of most domainers.

If you are an average domainer then Buy-Cars.com would be fantastic domain to develop.

Hyphenated domains are awesome to develop and very underrated (Look at the hypenated sales thread). As long as they have decent Word Tracker, Google Results, and PPC Ads.

The hyphenated domain indexes the same way in Google. The downside is you won't get type in traffic. However, 2-3 Word Domains rarely get type in traffic in the first place. You will also lose some traffic to the non hyphen version

But, it is much easier to develop a domain with natural search, than to use a "Brandable" domain, especially for someone with a smaller budget.

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seems like an easy choice considering people don't like - in their domains. i'll start another one. what's better, buycars.net or buycars.org?



For a profit generating site .NET is always better.
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:01 PM   · #11
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From what I've heard so far, com beats net, net beats org, and no dashes are preferable.
BuyCars.com...wouldn't mind having that one
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Originally Posted by waynej
From what I've heard so far, com beats net, net beats org, and no dashes are preferable.
BuyCars.com...wouldn't mind having that one



Com is always the king, but NET/ORG the content matters.

I would rather have BuyComputers.net, but QuitSmoking.org
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Old 08-01-2008, 12:50 AM   · #13
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I prefer the first one .I don't like the dash.Without it ,spell will be more easy and simple .May be I am lazy
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Old 08-01-2008, 06:19 AM   · #14
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Old 08-01-2008, 07:47 AM   · #15
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I would never use a domain that includes a hyphen UNLESS the non-hyphenated .com domain happens to be taken and the keyword(s) are a must have. I would attempt to find other keyword combinations available instead of using a hyphen though.
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:28 AM   · #16
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Old 08-01-2008, 08:31 AM   · #17
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99.999% of the time, the non-hyphen wins. There are only a few cases where it wouldn't, such as for high-end SEo situations for indexing. Bottom line is the non dash always has a higher price.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:03 AM   · #18
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99.999% of the time, the non-hyphen wins. There are only a few cases where it wouldn't, such as for high-end SEo situations for indexing. Bottom line is the non dash always has a higher price.



The non dash version is always better without a doubt, however if you are planning on developing a site you have to factor in the cost.

Let's say your budget is a couple hundred. It is easier to use a hyphenated domain with high word tracker.

Let's say BuyCars.com is $25K. Buy-Cars.com would cost much less, and be just as good to develop. It is a better choice IMO than a similar domain like BuyCarsToday.com

The downside to hyphenated is mainly the loss in traffic to the non hyphenated version, but unless you have a huge budget it is small trade off for the lower cost.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:09 AM   · #19
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all the views expressed till now are of domainers & website owners ....

but do the end-user think the same way?

they open what they want to open, be it the non-premiums, worst nouns , hyphens ... jsut anything.

It all depends on what the site is all about and how it is presented in terms of offline & online marketing.

Domain Type-ins might be lower, but then we talking about the building of brand, building a website!

e-Commerce is most common example used even though one can write ecommerce.

Think!!!! as End-user and bit of Domain-user
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my opinion is that if we want the end user perspective, then let's look at the top brands:

eg:
apple.com
ibm.com
hp.com

most are short simple words...even hewlett packard is just hp without hyphens or full spelling

so my vote goes to without hyphens
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All those brands have been built from billions of dollars in adverstising, which most companies do not have. If you had the money available you could brand ClownPenis.com into a top search engine. However, in an average budget you are better getting a domain with natural searches over something "Brandable". It takes a lot of time and money to brand a domain.

A couple examples are eBay.com and Google.com

They have been branded into the biggest auction site, and search site. But to the average person the money would not be there to brand a totally unrelated domain to the content.

However a domain related to the field like Online-Auctions.com, which would have natural search traffic would be much easier to use.

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my opinion is that if we want the end user perspective, then let's look at the top brands:

eg:
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most are short simple words...even hewlett packard is just hp without hyphens or full spelling

so my vote goes to without hyphens

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but it is not the money (to say that it is, is too cynical and missed out on the potential learnings)...it is the thoughts that go into building a brand...and part of those thoughts would cover the end-user experience

thus in looking at the top brands, you get a glimpse of how they incorporate the end-user experience into their branding, especially those which are technology companies

as a final example, take creative technology...they can hyphen it or do without....instead their net branding is simply creative.com
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If money is no object then clearly branding is a good option. However if I was developing a site to do with Credit Cards. I would rather have Credit-Cards.com any day over something "Brandable"

That is why quality generics sell for so much. They don't need to be branded.
If you owned Stocks.com, StockMarket.com, etc. It is pretty clear what the website is about. If you go to SomeRandomName.com it is going to take much more money to "brand" it.


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but it is not the money (to say that it is, is too cynical and missed out on the potential learnings)...it is the thoughts that go into building a brand...and part of those thoughts would cover the end-user experience

thus in looking at the top brands, you get a glimpse of how they incorporate the end-user experience into their branding, especially those which are technology companies

as a final example, take creative technology...they can hyphen it or do without....instead their net branding is simply creative.com

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www.buycars.com is better but people generally have to settle for www.buy-cars.com
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That is exactly the point. Most people can't afford BuyCars.com, Buy-Cars.com would be a good backup option and is still a better option that something completely unrelated that is "Brandable" IMO.


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www.buycars.com is better but people generally have to settle for www.buy-cars.com

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