Help, I'm confused! Why is there value in LLLL, LLL, etc domains?

opalxx · 12-06-2007, 12:42 PM

I'm confused!! Not that it takes a lot to confuse me these days. I don't understand where the value is in an LLL or LLLL LNL etc. I don't understand why someone would register a domain which is a mishmash of letters and letters and numerics let alone why someone would pay hundreds or thousands to buy one of these.
What am i missing? What on earth are the "premium letters" for these domains? i.e why is an "e" better than a "Q" (if it is? If i had one and parked it how would i figure out a category or applicable keywords?

filter · 12-06-2007, 02:34 PM

LLLL are the equivalent of crack for domainers.

First ones were reg fee ... now we are hooked, spending hundreds of dollars per day, wandering around the forums gibbering and babbling about CVCV and anti-premiums and the dot cn and the godaddy took mah baby away and and and ... LLLL ? you got some LLLL ? what you got ? Aw ... don't give me none of that premium genreic with traffic crap man ... You got any LLLL ???

You have been warned.

-NC- · 12-06-2007, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by filter

Aw ... don't give me none of that premium genreic with traffic crap man

lol! show me generic traffic crap i don't need a mortgage for an i'll be interested in that!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/403921-help-im-confused-why-there-value.html

opalxx: LLLL means four letter ( no numbers )

EDIT: sorry I only read the title
i guess there are 2 main reasons for the value - rarity and everyone is hoping that LLLL goes the way of LLL
i've not been domaining long enough to have witnessed it, but apparently some domainers used to say random LLL was worthless as well.
( no i'm not asking for a debate on LLLL! )

at the most basic level, e is better than q because more words start with e, so there are more posssible acronyms.

Coopey · 12-06-2007, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by opalxx

I'm confused!! Not that it takes a lot to confuse me these days.

Bless.

Originally Posted by opalxx

I don't understand where the value is in an LLL or LLLL LNL etc.

The value is in their scarcity, and their memorability.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

Originally Posted by opalxx

I don't understand why someone would register a domain which is a mishmash of letters and letters and numerics

Because the so-called 'mishmash' could be an acronym used by a cash-rich corporation, or an acronym for something else that is worth some money...

Originally Posted by opalxx

let alone why someone would pay hundreds or thousands to buy one of these.
What am i missing?

Generally, the more scarce domains have been increasing in value most, year-on-year. There is no reason to see why/if this trend will stop anytime soon (esp in .com)

Originally Posted by opalxx

What on earth are the "premium letters" for these domains? i.e why is an "e" better than a "Q" (if it is? If i had one and parked it how would i figure out a category or applicable keywords?

The so-called 'premium' letters are those most common, particularly at the start of (English) words- therefore the most common in acronyms, and therefore the most likely to be bought in LLL (and LLLL) format. If names with premium letters in are more likely to be bought, then they're scarcer, and therefore more valuable.
(i.e. it is likely there are more companies with the initials ACS then there are JXQ- therefore your potential pool of buyers for ACS.com is greater than that for JXQ.com- thus the price should be higher)

evirtual1 · 12-07-2007, 01:06 AM

yes i wondered what a cvcv.com was ....... not my cup of tea , but they have fans , i guess , me i think the enduser dont care as long as it can be used ???

sashas · 12-07-2007, 01:19 AM

Wot is not a LLLL.com. Wot is a senior member here and he owns some kickass IDNs

accent · 12-07-2007, 01:43 AM

CVCV's are super domainer LLLL crack.

It is supposed to mean Consonant Vowel Consonant Vowel
Like DECO.

But beware
C can also mean Character
as in "that domainer is a real Character".
No No - as in either letter, number, or hyphen(-).
Usually used when talking about CCC - three characters like 7dk
So do not buy 4A7E and think you have a CVCV.
You would have junk, not crack.

GreenGambler · 12-07-2007, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by sashas

Wot is not a LLLL.com. Wot is a senior member here and he owns some kickass IDNs

LMAO.. wise arse.. HAHAH
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

Sashas is very correct, Wot is a senior member of NP.. LOL

In the domain world:

L's represent Letters but to be more specific one can say C or V.
C is a constanant
V is a Vowel

N's represent numbers

htmlindex · 12-07-2007, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by sashas

Wot is not a LLLL.com. Wot is a senior member here and he owns some kickass IDNs

That's very true

-NC- · 12-07-2007, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by GreenGambler

C is a constanant

this is where it starts to get context sensitive! C is only consonant when it's next to V. on its own it just means character e.g. CCC.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

GreenGambler · 12-07-2007, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by -NC-

this is where it starts to get context sensitive! C is only consonant when it's next to V. on its own it just means character e.g. CCC.com
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

You are very correct.. I completly forgot about how that can be misleading. Thanks for the clarification on C's meaning consonant and character, depending upon the context.

metronome · 01-09-2008, 05:30 PM

LLLL is abbreviation of Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen.
please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLLL for more info, don't let other NP members fool you

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

I think if you have good LLLL such as have.com/name.com/sell.com/half.com, someone will want to pay XXXX+ USD for that

filter · 01-09-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by metronome

LLLL is abbreviation of Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921
please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLLL for more info, don't let other NP members fool you

I think if you have good LLLL such as have.com/name.com/sell.com/half.com, someone will want to pay XXXX+ USD for that

I am so truly LLLL-addled and cross-eyed from staring at lists of "line noise" at this point - when I read the last line of your post, at first glance I saw it as "XXX+ LSD" - triggering vivid flashbacks of some good, strange times back in college ... (something akin to this "final moments" image that floatingworld posted in the LLLL.com countdown thread)

Good times, good times ...

domainer50 · 01-09-2008, 09:30 PM

Glad to see you picked up some information. Stick around here long enough and you will become a wealth of knowledge

accent · 01-10-2008, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by domainer50

Glad to see you picked up some information. Stick around here long enough and you will become a wealth of knowledge

And be able to completely confuse your real-world friends who may become quite concerned about you.

**-Nick-** · 01-10-2008, 12:49 AM

LLL - Letter Letter Letter
LLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter
LLLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter Letter
LLN - Letter - Letter - Number
LNN - Letter - Number - Number
LNL - Letter - Number - Letter
NLL - Number - Letter - Letter
NNL - Number - Number - Letter
NLN - Number - Letter - Number
L-L - Letter - Letter
N-N - Number - Number
L-N - Letter - Number
N-L - Number - Letter

CVCV - Consonant vowel consonant vowel

filter · 01-10-2008, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by -Nick-

LLL - Letter Letter Letter
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921
LLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter
LLLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter Letter
LLN - Letter - Letter - Number
LNN - Letter - Number - NumberLNL - Letter - Number - Letter
NLL - Number - Letter - Letter
NNL - Number - Number - Letter
NLN - Number - Letter - Number
L-L - Letter - Letter
N-N - Number - Number
L-N - Letter - Number
N-L - Number - Letter

CVCV - Consonant vowel consonant vowel

note that the LLN / LNN / NLN (etc) Number + Letter combos are also called CCC (C as in Character rather than Consonant in this context)

Originally Posted by accentnepal

And be able to completely confuse your real-world friends who may become quite concerned about you.

I think what accentnepal may be trying to say is ...
ABAT COCO YRWF WMBC QUCO ABYO.

MKAY ...?

NotSober · 01-11-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by filter

LLLL are the equivalent of crack for domainers.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

First ones were reg fee ... now we are hooked, spending hundreds of dollars per day, wandering around the forums gibbering and babbling about CVCV and anti-premiums and the dot cn and the godaddy took mah baby away and and and ... LLLL ? you got some LLLL ? what you got ? Aw ... don't give me none of that premium genreic with traffic crap man ... You got any LLLL ???

You have been warned.

Hahahahahaha funniest post on name pros !!

**CLASSIC**

easytrader · 01-12-2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by filter

LLLL are the equivalent of crack for domainers.

First ones were reg fee ... now we are hooked, spending hundreds of dollars per day, wandering around the forums gibbering and babbling about CVCV and anti-premiums and the dot cn and the godaddy took mah baby away and and and ... LLLL ? you got some LLLL ? what you got ? Aw ... don't give me none of that premium genreic with traffic crap man ... You got any LLLL ???

You have been warned.

Gosh I am going to be LMAO (is it available?) over this one for ages. Excellent stuff! Now where can I get a quick fix?

domainer50 · 01-12-2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by accentnepal

And be able to completely confuse your real-world friends who may become quite concerned about you.

Yes that happens as well

killay · 01-12-2008, 01:34 PM

this has been helpfull... but still

If you have LLLL.coms which represents words that would be great (then I would understand it's value). But aren't you suppose to take domains which you can easily find in the top row of google?
cause sometimes i see 300$ for ktds ... then I could easily ask 1000$ for aouzdhaioushfzdaozdhf.com

doZer24 · 01-12-2008, 01:38 PM

LMAO that's perfect

***mwzd*** · 01-12-2008, 01:40 PM

I don't about his real world friends... OP is surely more confused now than when he started. I'll try and simplify stuff -

Originally Posted by opalxx

I'm confused!! Not that it takes a lot to confuse me these days.

I felt like that for the first six months on NP too... don't worry its normal... even if more than slightly contagious. Even filter was a normal human being till he joined (one month after you I might note)...

Originally Posted by opalxx

I don't understand where the value is in an LLL or LLLL LNL etc. I don't understand why someone would register a domain which is a mishmash of letters and letters and numerics let alone why someone would pay hundreds or thousands to buy one of these.

LLL are the most valuable coz there are only 17.6K in existence... for each and every TLD - ccTLD or gTLD. Of which there are almost 300, so you have to pick them more carefully than the LLL

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

LLLL are also valuable however only in .com - there are 500k in existence... again for each and every TLD - ccTLD or gTLD.

LNL/NNL/LLN .coms are worth $200-$2000 depending on the combination, .net are worth between $15-$450, etc. Most other TLDs these type of names (called ccc.tld) are usually worth 3-4x reg fee.

If you don't know what reg fee is I'll recommend reading the forum for as long as it takes to make you understand.

Actually you will find most questions you might have, answered on NP, most of the time in depth and with arguments for and against the logic to enable you to make your own decisions based on your own life experience (or lack thereof).

Originally Posted by opalxx

What am i missing? What on earth are the "premium letters" for these domains? i.e why is an "e" better than a "Q" (if it is? If i had one and parked it how would i figure out a category or applicable keywords?

What you're missing is the boat if after six months on NP you still need these questions answered. If for example you had purchased 1000 LLLL.com's in aug/sep last year for $7k it would have been worth close to $40k now. But don't worry, a lot of people lost this ooportunity (me included - even though I kinda saw it, I just assumed they'd last forever)...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921

For which letters are premium see http://3character.com - their price guide is cool too.

If you don't already have them you're going to end up spending a pretty penny getting them now... parking is the easy part - put it on auto optimize to start with or find relevant keywords that your traffic is looking for.

As someone said to me on NP - stay AHEAD of the curve in this game to make any money.

WM · 01-14-2008, 02:15 PM

L = Letters (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ)
Premium Letters = ABCDEFGHILMNOPRST

V = Vowels = AEIOUY
Premium Vowels = AEIO

C = Consonants = BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ
Premium Consonants = BCDFGHLMNPRST

N = Numbers = 0123456789

Example, Buy Now! Don't miss! Grab it Now! I has :-
- LLLL.com = ABCD.com / LNLN.com = A9B3.com / CVCV = BAJE.com
- Premium LLLL.com = OPSS.com / Premium CVCV = ROHE.com / Premium VVCC = AEMN.com

rbedell · 01-14-2008, 02:21 PM

Even if you don't personally see the value of an LLLL.com you can still see the market for them. Just take a look at recent sale prices and what domains are going for on any of the aftermarket sites.

Take a look at the LLLL.coms availabe on Sedo's auction list. For example see the LLLL up for auction in my signature.

12-06-2007, 12:42 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
opalxx NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 942	Help, I'm confused! Why is there value in LLLL, LLL, etc domains? I'm confused!! Not that it takes a lot to confuse me these days. I don't understand where the value is in an LLL or LLLL LNL etc. I don't understand why someone would register a domain which is a mishmash of letters and letters and numerics let alone why someone would pay hundreds or thousands to buy one of these. What am i missing? What on earth are the "premium letters" for these domains? i.e why is an "e" better than a "Q" (if it is? If i had one and parked it how would i figure out a category or applicable keywords?

12-06-2007, 02:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
filter Domain Wanker Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,617	LLLL are the equivalent of crack for domainers. First ones were reg fee ... now we are hooked, spending hundreds of dollars per day, wandering around the forums gibbering and babbling about CVCV and anti-premiums and the dot cn and the godaddy took mah baby away and and and ... LLLL ? you got some LLLL ? what you got ? Aw ... don't give me none of that premium genreic with traffic crap man ... You got any LLLL ??? You have been warned. Last edited by filter; 12-06-2007 at 02:39 PM.

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accent Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,295	CVCV's are super domainer LLLL crack. It is supposed to mean Consonant Vowel Consonant Vowel Like DECO. But beware C can also mean Character as in "that domainer is a real Character". No No - as in either letter, number, or hyphen(-). Usually used when talking about CCC - three characters like 7dk So do not buy 4A7E and think you have a CVCV. You would have junk, not crack. __________________ Domains for sale For List Of Country Code Domains Jewelry of Tibet and Nepal TibetanJewelry.mobi Tibetan Symbols Om Pyramids Ancient Egyptian Secrets Ancient Mystery Eden Shakti

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metronome NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: AllPurposes.com Posts: 489	LLLL is abbreviation of Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen. please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLLL for more info, don't let other NP members fool you ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=403921 I think if you have good LLLL such as have.com/name.com/sell.com/half.com, someone will want to pay XXXX+ USD for that __________________ YOUR PARENTS LIE! You deserves FREE monthly passive income doing NOTHING!!

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sashas Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jaipur, India Posts: 3,119	Wot is not a LLLL.com. Wot is a senior member here and he owns some kickass IDNs

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-Nick- I'll do it Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: India Posts: 6,927 Follow @keralpatel	LLL - Letter Letter Letter LLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter LLLLL - Letter Letter Letter Letter Letter LLN - Letter - Letter - Number LNN - Letter - Number - Number LNL - Letter - Number - Letter NLL - Number - Letter - Letter NNL - Number - Number - Letter NLN - Number - Letter - Number L-L - Letter - Letter N-N - Number - Number L-N - Letter - Number N-L - Number - Letter CVCV - Consonant vowel consonant vowel __________________ Delq\|Fhur\|Kegh\|Vhir\|Juhy\|Ruuz\|Jyos\|Jupt\|Vhek Webmaster Blog \| Software Downloads Makeup & Beauty Tips \| Sponsor Ads

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killay NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 288	this has been helpfull... but still If you have LLLL.coms which represents words that would be great (then I would understand it's value). But aren't you suppose to take domains which you can easily find in the top row of google? cause sometimes i see 300$ for ktds ... then I could easily ask 1000$ for aouzdhaioushfzdaozdhf.com

01-12-2008, 01:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
doZer24 NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 96	LMAO that's perfect

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WM Live Auction Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Searching....... Posts: 385	L = Letters (ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ) Premium Letters = ABCDEFGHILMNOPRST V = Vowels = AEIOUY Premium Vowels = AEIO C = Consonants = BCDFGHJKLMNPQRSTVWXZ Premium Consonants = BCDFGHLMNPRST N = Numbers = 0123456789 Example, Buy Now! Don't miss! Grab it Now! I has :- - LLLL.com = ABCD.com / LNLN.com = A9B3.com / CVCV = BAJE.com - Premium LLLL.com = OPSS.com / Premium CVCV = ROHE.com / Premium VVCC = AEMN.com __________________ Free Blog Directory

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rbedell NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 150	Even if you don't personally see the value of an LLLL.com you can still see the market for them. Just take a look at recent sale prices and what domains are going for on any of the aftermarket sites. Take a look at the LLLL.coms availabe on Sedo's auction list. For example see the LLLL up for auction in my signature.

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