I have been make an huge mistake, what can i do

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 08:57 AM

I am helping up my brother's in managed his snapnames purchased. Recently I just found out that I have wrongly pushed his domain names in his enom.com account to other user. When I send an support ticket to enom, they just replied me that

Normally we cannot reverse pushes: you would need to ask the recipient to push the domains back to you.

when i contact the recipient by email even though i call him directly, he was denied / refused that he has received my domain. But he is lie. He update my domain to his name already.

Now i was so panic and felt very embarrassed to my brother, what can i do o get the name back.............

**mellowmasher** · 09-11-2007, 09:03 AM

Where did you get the other users details ??..

It may be that if he doesnt want to give it back, you may have no choice but to let the name go

I hope he or she turns out to be an honest person and realise your mistake

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 09:09 AM

he updated the whois instantly, i checked it from domain tools.

**mellowmasher** · 09-11-2007, 09:13 AM

Can you share the name ?

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 09:14 AM

4 names in total i pushed to him. he is a guy, and own a company.

what make we sad and angry is the name is not revenue names, but is a develop ment potential domain names. It is not related to his business. And he didn't parked them anywhere also.

My brother wants to develop them.

Ja$on · 09-11-2007, 09:20 AM

Honestly you should of doubled checked the ID you were sending to. When I do a push I double check like 10 times because once it's gone it's gone.

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 09:23 AM

Other registrar like godaddy, normally they will ask you to double confirm and they will send you send email with auth code,to ask whether the push transaction is correct. But enom do not have this, one i click, the domain just go like that.....

mbuna · 09-11-2007, 10:08 AM

What are the domains?

**mellowmasher** · 09-11-2007, 10:17 AM

After speaking to you in pm, im not sure you can do anything other than move on and learn from your mistake

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 10:28 AM

you know, at first I still can take it easy because I still believe people in trust. I believed that if things doesn't belong to us then don't keep it.

Really expensive lesson.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mellowmasher

After speaking to you in pm, im not sure you can do anything other than move on and learn from your mistake

broke-r · 09-11-2007, 11:14 AM

Didn't expect such a reply from Enom! "Normally we cannot reverse pushes". Did you explain them in detail what your problem is and that this is not something "normally" but accidentally happened?

**Samit** · 09-11-2007, 11:16 AM

At least post the domains here, so people know they were fraudulently obtained by that person. No NPer would buy them I'm sure. Once we have the domain names, we also have the whois info.

Maybe someone could call him if the whois contact is correct or even report to registrar, if it is not, that way the domains might be dropped. Bottomline, seems to be a con, specially since he changed whois, domains are gone - raise a stink about them. And like mellowmasher said, expensive mistake, move on.

If you have proof, as in invoices of purchase etc and produce them to the registrar and demand they at least ask this person to provide payment proof, that might change their mind, specially since there will be none.

ashaw · 09-11-2007, 11:35 AM

Contact enom via phone. The domain name, which was owned by your brother is still rightful property of your brothers legally. You need to let enom know that this isnt just any domain name, its a domain name you will not under any circumstances let go.

Dont take no for an answer man. You may have more luck having your brother contact them as the true owner. Do not take this lose...

When someone makes a comment about you... you let it go. When you spend too much on a domain name... you let it go. When you make an error... you DONT let it go. you find a way to fix it.

Good Luck... Contact me via PM if you need some help.

-Andrew Shaw-

SimpleDomaining · 09-11-2007, 12:38 PM

i believe you cannot return domains. you pushed it, will it be in purpose or accidently, but you PUSHED IT. where will be no proove to show enom, that you did not get paid for this domains, or that you did not have a verbal agreement with new domain owner just to give domains to him as a present. I honestly think you have lost your domains and the only way you probably could try to bring them back, is to offer some money to new owner.

briman1970 · 09-11-2007, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mwzd

At least post the domains here, so people know they were fraudulently obtained by that person. No NPer would buy them I'm sure. Once we have the domain names, we also have the whois info.

Maybe someone could call him if the whois contact is correct or even report to registrar, if it is not, that way the domains might be dropped. Bottomline, seems to be a con, specially since he changed whois, domains are gone - raise a stink about them. And like mellowmasher said, expensive mistake, move on.

If you have proof, as in invoices of purchase etc and produce them to the registrar and demand they at least ask this person to provide payment proof, that might change their mind, specially since there will be none.

Take Mwzd's advice. This is most likely the only way you will ever see these names again. Posting the names here could influence the new "owner" to change his mind... especially if he is a member here.

SylviaC · 09-11-2007, 06:53 PM

yes, explained in details. Even though call send an email to the recipient and managed to talk to him on the phone.

If I'm not mistaken, he said : " I didn't received any email regarding that, I am very busy and everyday I will received a lot of junk mail. I cannot care it. What are you mentioned about domain, I'm not understand what are you speak about. I am no more using Enom, currently I am using Godaddy."

He is lie....and he own an insurance company in Lafayette.....

( Hey Mr. P....p, if you are the Npros member, can you please return my 4 (four) domain names. The name is malaysiad......com and others )

Sorry guys, I still hope that he can return my names, that's why I hide his whois profile first. Hope all of you can understand my situation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by broke-r

Didn't expect such a reply from Enom! "Normally we cannot reverse pushes". Did you explain them in detail what your problem is and that this is not something "normally" but accidentally happened?

last reply form enom :

[B]I'm afraid that we cannot reverse this push. Please contact the owner of account 'plee' to ask them to push the domains back to you.[/B]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ashaw

Contact enom via phone. The domain name, which was owned by your brother is still rightful property of your brothers legally. You need to let enom know that this isnt just any domain name, its a domain name you will not under any circumstances let go.

Dont take no for an answer man. You may have more luck having your brother contact them as the true owner. Do not take this lose...

When someone makes a comment about you... you let it go. When you spend too much on a domain name... you let it go. When you make an error... you DONT let it go. you find a way to fix it.

Good Luck... Contact me via PM if you need some help.

-Andrew Shaw-

Krossat · 09-11-2007, 07:59 PM

I can see the phone number of the owner in the whois.
Try calling him. You can use skype for cheaper calls. Tell him about the domain name whois change and that it now reflects his name.

If you wish i can write a mail to him too asking him to return ur domains.

The only way to get them will be getting after this guy pro-actively.
also keep a copy of his whois in case he later changes it to some obscure details.

Your domain is definitely generic and you haev to get it back. Dont take no for an answer. If need be, you might have to mail to his bussiness email or post @ his website if things go bad

I wouldnt let him off easily!

Edit: The a**wipe* business website has all his info and seems to be one of his prime sources of business. Call him today and ask him politely. Send him mails. If he doesent respond, let me know, and also pm me the other domains.

Michael · 09-11-2007, 09:01 PM

It seems like the guy is making a mistake taking the position that he never received the emails, because obviously he did if the domains are in his name. That makes him look like a liar and he loses credibility.

If he had just said you sold him the names or traded for something, but deleted the emails/correspondence or said it was a verbal contract, you wouldn't really have a leg to stand on.

This won't really be an easy battle though, and the odds are definitely not in your favor. You'll have to call eNom constantly until someone is willing to hear you out and investigate further. Your only other option is to take legal action, which obviously wouldn't be financially viable unless you think the domains are going to be serious money makers. Or you could just offer to buy them from him...

Sorry to hear about your troubles, but you'll need a miracle on this one. Unless you lost some gems I would chalk it up to experience.

I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend harassing the guy though, because you can be put in jail for it. And if the calls/emails are across state lines, I'm pretty sure it is a felony.

Krossat · 09-11-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by idevlabs

I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend harassing the guy though, because you can be put in jail for it. And if the calls/emails are across state lines, I'm pretty sure it is a felony.

Well for one its the other guy who is harassing. He is sitting pretty on domains which arent his and he lies about not receiving them.
I agree it is 100% SylviaC's fault and it was a silly thing to do. But this alone doesent give the guy reason enough to keep the domains.

There was this case on another forum where someone stole one of the domains of another guy. I dont know how he did it, but the owner did not sell the domains. The owner along with other members kept @ the thief and finally because of persistence got back his domains. I dont say abuse this guy, but you need to keep the pressure on to get back the domains.

This guy owns a insurance website lolz, so much for having faith on him and his company.

I hope someone who knows the legal loopholes can suggest what can be done. This indeed is a desperate situation.

snoop · 09-11-2007, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SylviaC

he updated the whois instantly, i checked it from domain tools.

You probably selected "do not push contact details" rather than the recipient doing anything.

If you have exhausted things with the registrant and enom I would get onto a lawyer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by idevlabs

I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend harassing the guy though, because you can be put in jail for it. And if the calls/emails are across state lines, I'm pretty sure it is a felony.

If the person is basically aware of the situation but decides to just keep the name I would guess it may well be considered theft. eg if the bank by mistake deposits a million dollars into my account then I refuse to give the money back will generally result in criminal charges. There is a term for this kind of theft I think, I can't remember what it is.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...urProblem.aspx

**mellowmasher** · 09-11-2007, 11:13 PM

Just trying to understand how this all happened..

Where did you get the persons details for the push? Did you have contact with him before?

SylviaC · 09-12-2007, 12:56 AM

He has quiet same user name with my brother. His user name in enom is "plee", my brother have another registrar account also use "plee". So, by mistake I push to the name by using other registrar log in id.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mellowmasher

Just trying to understand how this all happened..

Where did you get the persons details for the push? Did you have contact with him before?

call him twice, the reply is " I don't know what are you mentioned for, I didn't use enom to manage my domain name quiet some times, I use godaddy ".

send him an email 2-3times also, even said what to reimburse him for his time been spent. No reply.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krossat

I can see the phone number of the owner in the whois.
Try calling him. You can use skype for cheaper calls. Tell him about the domain name whois change and that it now reflects his name.

If you wish i can write a mail to him too asking him to return ur domains.

The only way to get them will be getting after this guy pro-actively.
also keep a copy of his whois in case he later changes it to some obscure details.

Your domain is definitely generic and you haev to get it back. Dont take no for an answer. If need be, you might have to mail to his bussiness email or post @ his website if things go bad

I wouldnt let him off easily!

Edit: The a**wipe* business website has all his info and seems to be one of his prime sources of business. Call him today and ask him politely. Send him mails. If he doesent respond, let me know, and also pm me the other domains.

Krossat · 09-12-2007, 05:27 AM

I think i know what might have happened.
As you pushed your name to his account, the whois settings naturally change to the whois settings of his account. So although th ewhois has changed, he might not have anything to do with it.

You need to explain that the domains have accidently been pushed to his account, and to verify he can check the whois of the domains. When he is satisfied that what u are saying is the truth, you can politely ask him to recover his eNOM account settings and push the domains back to you.

You will need to be very polite and humble.

All the best.
Rohan.

ama86 · 09-12-2007, 06:13 AM

I hope you have recorded every conversation with him.

Perhaps you can ask ENOM to contact him directly using the WHOIS.
and since he is blur anyway, and does not know anything, and only uses godaddy, the ENOM staff now has verification that the domain belongs to you and not him. So you can now ask ENOM to push it back to you. I am 100% sure the ENOM admins have the power to take a domain away from someone and give it to you.

namebug · 09-12-2007, 06:24 AM

I always wondered what would happen in this situation, always thought the register would reverse it . This is one reason I don't change the contact details, at least you'd have a short window to correct a mistake . You'll probably have to get a lawyer, I think in the US is if you receive something in the mail you didn't ask for, I don't think legally you have to return it, but I'm not sure about it . May be worth it to have a lawyer mail him a letter, maybe it'll scare him . Good luck .

09-11-2007, 08:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	I have been make an huge mistake, what can i do I am helping up my brother's in managed his snapnames purchased. Recently I just found out that I have wrongly pushed his domain names in his enom.com account to other user. When I send an support ticket to enom, they just replied me that Normally we cannot reverse pushes: you would need to ask the recipient to push the domains back to you. when i contact the recipient by email even though i call him directly, he was denied / refused that he has received my domain. But he is lie. He update my domain to his name already. Now i was so panic and felt very embarrassed to my brother, what can i do o get the name back.............

09-11-2007, 09:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
mellowmasher mellowmasher.com Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,364 865.03 NP$ (Donate)	Where did you get the other users details ??.. It may be that if he doesnt want to give it back, you may have no choice but to let the name go I hope he or she turns out to be an honest person and realise your mistake __________________ Hot New NP Live Auctions! I RECOMMEND HIVE DESIGNS FOR HIGH QUALITY WEB DESIGNS Mellowmasher.com

09-11-2007, 09:13 AM	#4 (permalink)
mellowmasher mellowmasher.com Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,364 865.03 NP$ (Donate)	Can you share the name ? __________________ Hot New NP Live Auctions! I RECOMMEND HIVE DESIGNS FOR HIGH QUALITY WEB DESIGNS Mellowmasher.com

09-11-2007, 09:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ja$on Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,447 291.95 NP$ (Donate)	Honestly you should of doubled checked the ID you were sending to. When I do a push I double check like 10 times because once it's gone it's gone. __________________ iNEEDaNAME.com - Expired domain guru, reseller, blogger and all around nice guy. I don't always read message boards but when I do, I read Namepros. - The Most Instresting Man

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09-11-2007, 09:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	he updated the whois instantly, i checked it from domain tools.

09-11-2007, 09:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	4 names in total i pushed to him. he is a guy, and own a company. what make we sad and angry is the name is not revenue names, but is a develop ment potential domain names. It is not related to his business. And he didn't parked them anywhere also. My brother wants to develop them.

09-11-2007, 09:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
SylviaC NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 35 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Other registrar like godaddy, normally they will ask you to double confirm and they will send you send email with auth code,to ask whether the push transaction is correct. But enom do not have this, one i click, the domain just go like that.....

09-11-2007, 10:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
mellowmasher mellowmasher.com Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,364 865.03 NP$ (Donate)	After speaking to you in pm, im not sure you can do anything other than move on and learn from your mistake __________________ Hot New NP Live Auctions! I RECOMMEND HIVE DESIGNS FOR HIGH QUALITY WEB DESIGNS Mellowmasher.com

09-11-2007, 11:14 AM	#11 (permalink)
broke-r NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 173 161.10 NP$ (Donate)	Didn't expect such a reply from Enom! "Normally we cannot reverse pushes". Did you explain them in detail what your problem is and that this is not something "normally" but accidentally happened?

09-11-2007, 11:16 AM	#12 (permalink)
Samit MediaWizard™ Team Leader Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mumbai Posts: 5,887 8,007.89 NP$ (Donate)	At least post the domains here, so people know they were fraudulently obtained by that person. No NPer would buy them I'm sure. Once we have the domain names, we also have the whois info. Maybe someone could call him if the whois contact is correct or even report to registrar, if it is not, that way the domains might be dropped. Bottomline, seems to be a con, specially since he changed whois, domains are gone - raise a stink about them. And like mellowmasher said, expensive mistake, move on. If you have proof, as in invoices of purchase etc and produce them to the registrar and demand they at least ask this person to provide payment proof, that might change their mind, specially since there will be none. __________________ NP LIVE Schedule View Queue / Place Bids Add your domain to auction Buy domains: dnShowroom.com

09-11-2007, 11:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
ashaw NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Maryland Posts: 803 19.90 NP$ (Donate)	Contact enom via phone. The domain name, which was owned by your brother is still rightful property of your brothers legally. You need to let enom know that this isnt just any domain name, its a domain name you will not under any circumstances let go. Dont take no for an answer man. You may have more luck having your brother contact them as the true owner. Do not take this lose... When someone makes a comment about you... you let it go. When you spend too much on a domain name... you let it go. When you make an error... you DONT let it go. you find a way to fix it. Good Luck... Contact me via PM if you need some help. -Andrew Shaw- __________________ bloodcells.info \| digitalized.info \| SOLD \| candidacy.info \| spidering.info \| egypts.info \| diamondjewellery.info \| dence.info \| ditsy.info \| fullback.info \| cocoons.info

09-11-2007, 12:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
SimpleDomaining Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,568 81.62 NP$ (Donate)	i believe you cannot return domains. you pushed it, will it be in purpose or accidently, but you PUSHED IT. where will be no proove to show enom, that you did not get paid for this domains, or that you did not have a verbal agreement with new domain owner just to give domains to him as a present. I honestly think you have lost your domains and the only way you probably could try to bring them back, is to offer some money to new owner. __________________ Visit http://SimpleDomaining.com. All newbie domainer needs to know to start domaining. Submit link to Simple Links Directory http://links.simpledomaining.com My last developed sites Century Plaza, Allgon , Kids Books Warehouse, Anthem Classifieds. LOOKONG FOR AN OFFER for DryCleaningCompany(.)com Last edited by gugush; 09-11-2007 at 12:42 PM.

09-11-2007, 07:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
Krossat krossat.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,623 1,035.00 NP$ (Donate)	I can see the phone number of the owner in the whois. Try calling him. You can use skype for cheaper calls. Tell him about the domain name whois change and that it now reflects his name. If you wish i can write a mail to him too asking him to return ur domains. The only way to get them will be getting after this guy pro-actively. also keep a copy of his whois in case he later changes it to some obscure details. Your domain is definitely generic and you haev to get it back. Dont take no for an answer. If need be, you might have to mail to his bussiness email or post @ his website if things go bad I wouldnt let him off easily! Edit: The a*wipe business website has all his info and seems to be one of his prime sources of business. Call him today and ask him politely. Send him mails. If he doesent respond, let me know, and also pm me the other domains. __________________ <<< Krossat's Blog : Launching Soon - Available Names & Drop Software Site >>> <<< Disclosable Available Domain Lists : : GeoGeneric "US" Domains >>> <<Profit Hour>> <<Image Gallery>> <<Comedy Central>> Last edited by Krossat; 09-11-2007 at 08:06 PM.

09-11-2007, 09:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
Michael DNMedia.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,808 1,499.50 NP$ (Donate)	It seems like the guy is making a mistake taking the position that he never received the emails, because obviously he did if the domains are in his name. That makes him look like a liar and he loses credibility. If he had just said you sold him the names or traded for something, but deleted the emails/correspondence or said it was a verbal contract, you wouldn't really have a leg to stand on. This won't really be an easy battle though, and the odds are definitely not in your favor. You'll have to call eNom constantly until someone is willing to hear you out and investigate further. Your only other option is to take legal action, which obviously wouldn't be financially viable unless you think the domains are going to be serious money makers. Or you could just offer to buy them from him... Sorry to hear about your troubles, but you'll need a miracle on this one. Unless you lost some gems I would chalk it up to experience. I DEFINITELY wouldn't recommend harassing the guy though, because you can be put in jail for it. And if the calls/emails are across state lines, I'm pretty sure it is a felony. __________________ MiniSites.com - Shift Your Domains Out of Park! PushToAuction.com - List domains you would like to push to auction at Sedo! DN Media Corporation \| Friend Me on Facebook \| Follow Me on Twitter Last edited by idevlabs; 09-11-2007 at 09:10 PM.

09-11-2007, 11:13 PM	#21 (permalink)
mellowmasher mellowmasher.com Forum Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 12,364 865.03 NP$ (Donate)	Just trying to understand how this all happened.. Where did you get the persons details for the push? Did you have contact with him before? __________________ Hot New NP Live Auctions! I RECOMMEND HIVE DESIGNS FOR HIGH QUALITY WEB DESIGNS Mellowmasher.com

09-12-2007, 05:27 AM	#23 (permalink)
Krossat krossat.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,623 1,035.00 NP$ (Donate)	I think i know what might have happened. As you pushed your name to his account, the whois settings naturally change to the whois settings of his account. So although th ewhois has changed, he might not have anything to do with it. You need to explain that the domains have accidently been pushed to his account, and to verify he can check the whois of the domains. When he is satisfied that what u are saying is the truth, you can politely ask him to recover his eNOM account settings and push the domains back to you. You will need to be very polite and humble. All the best. Rohan. __________________ <<< Krossat's Blog : Launching Soon - Available Names & Drop Software Site >>> <<< Disclosable Available Domain Lists : : GeoGeneric "US" Domains >>> <<Profit Hour>> <<Image Gallery>> <<Comedy Central>>

09-12-2007, 06:13 AM	#24 (permalink)
ama86 Account Closed Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 96 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	I hope you have recorded every conversation with him. Perhaps you can ask ENOM to contact him directly using the WHOIS. and since he is blur anyway, and does not know anything, and only uses godaddy, the ENOM staff now has verification that the domain belongs to you and not him. So you can now ask ENOM to push it back to you. I am 100% sure the ENOM admins have the power to take a domain away from someone and give it to you.

09-12-2007, 06:24 AM	#25 (permalink)
namebug NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 324 85.85 NP$ (Donate)	I always wondered what would happen in this situation, always thought the register would reverse it . This is one reason I don't change the contact details, at least you'd have a short window to correct a mistake . You'll probably have to get a lawyer, I think in the US is if you receive something in the mail you didn't ask for, I don't think legally you have to return it, but I'm not sure about it . May be worth it to have a lawyer mail him a letter, maybe it'll scare him . Good luck .

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