Do undeveloped domains grow in value with age?

LatchRivers · 05-29-2007, 11:17 AM

Is there truth to the idea that the longer a name has been registered, the more value it has, no matter what the actual name is?

I guess what I mean is that if you take development completely out of the picture, and just let a decent brand new domain sit parked for a few years, will it grow in value simply by being around, being reachable?

BMFX · 05-29-2007, 12:26 PM

Honestly in my mind, ill say it depends on the domain, if it's something that the end user would want and the rest of the TLD are taken and you own it i well say yes.

But if it's a crap domain that, next to no one has a use for it, than no not really.

Domains are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them. I am the kid here (14) i have only been doing this bussiness for 1 year so again i don't know everything but i do study domains and the sales that happen in my personal opion i think domains don't incress in value the longer they are held inless they are genaric.

- John

LatchRivers · 05-29-2007, 01:40 PM

Very helpful, thanks. Rep +

BMFX · 05-29-2007, 01:49 PM

Glad to help =)

thanks for rep!

- John

.X. · 05-29-2007, 07:08 PM

It is very hard to take a hand regged domain name, Park it, and it bring nice value in years ahead, the name never gets search enging indexing, it is doubtful the name will receive any traffic, more than likely, the name will sell from reg fee to $20, If most other extensions are taken in the name, that raises it's value, the best thing to do imo, that is free and easy, park those type of names at 1plus.net, they will get search engine indexing, to where the wont with other parking services, slurps hate parking landing pages. In the long haul, they will most likely begin to traffic.

LatchRivers · 05-29-2007, 09:09 PM

Cool! I didn't know about that site. Are there other parking sites that also offer dynamic parking pages for free?

.X. · 05-29-2007, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by LatchRivers

Cool! I didn't know about that site. Are there other parking sites that also offer dynamic parking pages for free?

To my knowledge, 1plus.net and whypark are the only ones that do.

LatchRivers · 05-31-2007, 04:37 PM

Great, thanks.

mirrorcube · 06-02-2007, 03:02 AM

Domains are like wine, a vintage bottle appreciates with age. Wine in a box stays about the same price.

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 03:18 AM

well there are two kinds of opinions.

many people believe that old doamins are better for SEO purposes and gain PR very quickly because they have been around for a while. However this claim cannot be verified because PR algorithm is still a heavily guarded secret by Google so it might just be speculation

I personally have sold old domains for high prices simply because they were old and nothing else. there is a rarity factor associated with them as the domains get older.

Other school of thought believes that the above is pure crap simply because search engines do not search the whois records of the domains before indexing them

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/333228-do-undeveloped-domains-grow-value-age.html

in the end it is ur personal opinion which matters

sdsinc · 06-02-2007, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by LatchRivers

Is there truth to the idea that the longer a name has been registered, the more value it has, no matter what the actual name is?

Simple answer is that old domains bring the same benefits as off-the-shelf companies, that is credibility. It's like starting a new business with an old company that has filed several tax returns (even for inactive trading).
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=333228
Traffic will usually depend on previous development and backlinks if any.
In terms of SEO I have no proof that old domains do better. Another rumour has it that only the creation date but also the expiration date does matter (ie. a domain that is registered until 2015 would suggest that the owner has serious, long-term plans for the domain).

Another more estalished rule is that the value of domains tends to increase over time, at least for the premium/good names.
Crap will usually remain crap. Old crap is hardly better than fresh crap

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 08:53 AM

Wow, great stuff. Thanks all!

How about this question then:
If one were to do a fresh registration of a decent name, how much would the newness detract from overall value, and what steps could be taken to raise the domain's value to where it might be if a little bit older?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 10:22 AM

well i would say newness does not deduct any value from the domains. IT is the other way round, that is , age adds to the value.

also, old domains are generally good ones because the owners have renewed them for so long because they were worth it.
i do not think anybody would renew any bad name like 2005MegaMoysCompanyAlaska.com for 7-8 years contuinuously

u cannot make new domains equal to old domains. its like a three letter name remains a three letter name and you can hardly do anything. at best you can try to develop the new one to bring it at par

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 11:32 AM

This is extremely helpful, thanks.

So development of a new domain can increase its value. What kind of development? Is it implicit in the term that the development must bring some significant traffic and revenue, or can a domain still be called developed if it has material on it but is devoid of visitors?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 11:35 AM

ok development can be following:
1. age (this is an extrenal factor which obviously u cannot control)
2. PAgerank : the higher the PR the better prices u might expect
3. backlinks: if u have quality backlinks then the domain increases in value

Unique content is obviously going to help u in steps 2 & 3

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 11:51 AM

I can imagine a very successful website gaining pagerank and backlinks naturally, but is there a way to help the process along? Are there backlinks that one can actively create that hold as much value as their organic cousins?

I'm already leaning toward no, and thinking that the only sure way to cultivate good PR and backlinks is to build a good, solid website. Is that right?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 11:53 AM

u can gain PR easily by getting some backlinks from high PR sites.

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 11:55 AM

That's good. What would motivate a high PR site to link to a low PR site, aside from positive relevant content?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 11:58 AM

Money

if u have a decent budget then u can get links from high PR sites easily

if u do not have any sort of a budget then it is a difficult task

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 12:04 PM

So there are more than a few high PR sites that simply link to whoever is willing to pay? Are the high PR sites good standalone sites, valuable in and of themselves, or does linking out encompass the majority of their functions?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 12:07 PM

ya there are plent of sites which are willing to link

infact u can get pr2-3 links for as low as 1$ per month at many places

regarding ur second question, these sites were also new sometime and they developed high PR

i think u should check out the Link http://www.namepros.com/link-exchange-requests/ and see some past threads

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 12:14 PM

Great, thanks. Can you get into trouble for building backlinks to a site you have parked?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 12:17 PM

i do not think there is any point in creating backlinks for a parked page. build a small minisite on it instead. that would do u better and more helpful in getting PR

also, the domain will increase in value marginally with few backlinks. please do not expect someone to pay midXX for just having few backlinks

LatchRivers · 06-02-2007, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by champ_rock

also, the domain will increase in value marginally with few backlinks. please do not accept someone to pay midXX for just having backlinks

I'm not sure I understand that last sentence. If a few backlinks only increase the value of a domain a little bit, why wouldn't I accept a low price, since the domain wouldn't be excessively valuable?

champ_rock · 06-02-2007, 12:33 PM

oops.. it was "expect" instead of accept

may be it is getting late here and i should be sleeping because i am making these silly mistakes

what i meant was suppose u get 10 backlinks from other sites then the value of the domain will NOT increase significantly. the value increases when u have 100's of backlinks and that is neither cheap nor easy

until and unless ur own domain gets a PR it will be worth less. therefore the bottom line is that u should aim at getting a good PR if u r looking for some good sale of ur domain

05-29-2007, 11:17 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Do undeveloped domains grow in value with age? Is there truth to the idea that the longer a name has been registered, the more value it has, no matter what the actual name is? I guess what I mean is that if you take development completely out of the picture, and just let a decent brand new domain sit parked for a few years, will it grow in value simply by being around, being reachable? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome Last edited by LatchRivers; 05-29-2007 at 01:51 PM.

05-29-2007, 12:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
BMFX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,317 Follow @BMFX	Honestly in my mind, ill say it depends on the domain, if it's something that the end user would want and the rest of the TLD are taken and you own it i well say yes. But if it's a crap domain that, next to no one has a use for it, than no not really. Domains are only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for them. I am the kid here (14) i have only been doing this bussiness for 1 year so again i don't know everything but i do study domains and the sales that happen in my personal opion i think domains don't incress in value the longer they are held inless they are genaric. - John __________________ Johnathon Mathews. Business Law Student. Entrepreneur. Web Developer. Twitter: BMFX. Facebook: BMFXX. Skype: BMFX.us Website: www.BMFX.net

05-29-2007, 01:40 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Great info Very helpful, thanks. Rep + __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome Last edited by LatchRivers; 05-29-2007 at 01:51 PM.

05-29-2007, 01:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
BMFX Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,317 Follow @BMFX	Glad to help =) thanks for rep! - John __________________ Johnathon Mathews. Business Law Student. Entrepreneur. Web Developer. Twitter: BMFX. Facebook: BMFXX. Skype: BMFX.us Website: www.BMFX.net

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05-29-2007, 07:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
.X. Revolution Calling! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NamePros Avenue Posts: 5,919	It is very hard to take a hand regged domain name, Park it, and it bring nice value in years ahead, the name never gets search enging indexing, it is doubtful the name will receive any traffic, more than likely, the name will sell from reg fee to $20, If most other extensions are taken in the name, that raises it's value, the best thing to do imo, that is free and easy, park those type of names at 1plus.net, they will get search engine indexing, to where the wont with other parking services, slurps hate parking landing pages. In the long haul, they will most likely begin to traffic.

05-31-2007, 04:37 PM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Great, thanks. __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 03:02 AM	#9 (permalink)
mirrorcube NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 359	Domains are like wine, a vintage bottle appreciates with age. Wine in a box stays about the same price.

06-02-2007, 03:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	well there are two kinds of opinions. many people believe that old doamins are better for SEO purposes and gain PR very quickly because they have been around for a while. However this claim cannot be verified because PR algorithm is still a heavily guarded secret by Google so it might just be speculation I personally have sold old domains for high prices simply because they were old and nothing else. there is a rarity factor associated with them as the domains get older. Other school of thought believes that the above is pure crap simply because search engines do not search the whois records of the domains before indexing them ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/333228-do-undeveloped-domains-grow-value-age.html in the end it is ur personal opinion which matters

06-02-2007, 08:53 AM	THREAD STARTER #12 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Great Info Wow, great stuff. Thanks all! How about this question then: If one were to do a fresh registration of a decent name, how much would the newness detract from overall value, and what steps could be taken to raise the domain's value to where it might be if a little bit older? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 10:22 AM	#13 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	well i would say newness does not deduct any value from the domains. IT is the other way round, that is , age adds to the value. also, old domains are generally good ones because the owners have renewed them for so long because they were worth it. i do not think anybody would renew any bad name like 2005MegaMoysCompanyAlaska.com for 7-8 years contuinuously u cannot make new domains equal to old domains. its like a three letter name remains a three letter name and you can hardly do anything. at best you can try to develop the new one to bring it at par

06-02-2007, 11:32 AM	THREAD STARTER #14 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Great Info! This is extremely helpful, thanks. So development of a new domain can increase its value. What kind of development? Is it implicit in the term that the development must bring some significant traffic and revenue, or can a domain still be called developed if it has material on it but is devoid of visitors? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 11:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	ok development can be following: 1. age (this is an extrenal factor which obviously u cannot control) 2. PAgerank : the higher the PR the better prices u might expect 3. backlinks: if u have quality backlinks then the domain increases in value Unique content is obviously going to help u in steps 2 & 3

06-02-2007, 11:51 AM	THREAD STARTER #16 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	I can imagine a very successful website gaining pagerank and backlinks naturally, but is there a way to help the process along? Are there backlinks that one can actively create that hold as much value as their organic cousins? I'm already leaning toward no, and thinking that the only sure way to cultivate good PR and backlinks is to build a good, solid website. Is that right? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 11:53 AM	#17 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	u can gain PR easily by getting some backlinks from high PR sites.

06-02-2007, 11:55 AM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	That's good. What would motivate a high PR site to link to a low PR site, aside from positive relevant content? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 11:58 AM	#19 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	Money if u have a decent budget then u can get links from high PR sites easily if u do not have any sort of a budget then it is a difficult task

06-02-2007, 12:04 PM	THREAD STARTER #20 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	So there are more than a few high PR sites that simply link to whoever is willing to pay? Are the high PR sites good standalone sites, valuable in and of themselves, or does linking out encompass the majority of their functions? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 12:07 PM	#21 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	ya there are plent of sites which are willing to link infact u can get pr2-3 links for as low as 1$ per month at many places regarding ur second question, these sites were also new sometime and they developed high PR i think u should check out the Link http://www.namepros.com/link-exchange-requests/ and see some past threads

06-02-2007, 12:14 PM	THREAD STARTER #22 (permalink)
LatchRivers NamePros Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 94	Great, thanks. Can you get into trouble for building backlinks to a site you have parked? __________________ pipsters.com is for sale -- all offers welcome

06-02-2007, 12:17 PM	#23 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	i do not think there is any point in creating backlinks for a parked page. build a small minisite on it instead. that would do u better and more helpful in getting PR also, the domain will increase in value marginally with few backlinks. please do not expect someone to pay midXX for just having few backlinks Last edited by champ_rock; 06-02-2007 at 12:29 PM.

06-02-2007, 12:33 PM	#25 (permalink)
champ_rock Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: http://akshayjain.org Posts: 2,817	oops.. it was "expect" instead of accept may be it is getting late here and i should be sleeping because i am making these silly mistakes what i meant was suppose u get 10 backlinks from other sites then the value of the domain will NOT increase significantly. the value increases when u have 100's of backlinks and that is neither cheap nor easy until and unless ur own domain gets a PR it will be worth less. therefore the bottom line is that u should aim at getting a good PR if u r looking for some good sale of ur domain

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