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| New Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: OC
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![]() | unreasonable seller There's this domain that I want to buy but the seller is simply unresonable. His asking price is too high and he refuses to give a proper justification to his asking price. The domain doesn't get any traffic, it doesn't generate any revenue, it's not even a premium domain. He just keeps saying that "someone" offered 10 grand for it and so that's his selling price. I'm thinking of just trademarking it and prying the name from him. It's not a generic nor a dictionary name; it's perfectly unique so I'm pretty confident that it can be trademarked. I'd rather spend my money on doing that than giving it to him since he's so unreasonable and annoying, and I'm thinking of using the name for my business anyhow. Will I be able to get the domain that way or not? |
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-newbies/268060-unreasonable-seller.html If you feel it is unreasonable then just walk away. If you really really want the domain then buy it for that unreasonable amount. | ||||
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| NamePros Supporter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV.
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 namenut
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| Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LA (Lower Alabama)
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I agree with everyone here. It's a pretty shitty way of thinking, even though you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting the name that way.
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005
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| Electrifying Guy ![]() Join Date: Sep 2003
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the first place, right? Because if that's the case, then why should s/he have to justify him/herself to you? Domain names were not intentionally meant to become commodities. But now that they are, they're fair game just like any other product or service we pay ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 with our hard-earned money. And why spend money on something (getting a trademark that is) that has no guarantee whatsoever you'll get what you want? If you didn't know, that sort of thing is called "reverse domain name hijacking" (just google it). If you attempt it, it could backfire. And there goes your hard-earned dough. And don't forget one of the oldest and earliest rules of domain names: they're first come, first served. The first to obtain it can do anything as s/he pleases as long as s/he doesn't break any applicable rule or law. While I guess what I'm going to ask of you is perhaps too much, try to spend a little more time learning and understanding issues involving domain names. By then, you might appreciate them a little more and know how to approach them a wee bit wiser. Try to give this more thought, especially if the shoe's on the other foot. You might be surprised. | ||||
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| Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK
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![]() ![]() ![]() | doiz, you've been a member here for nearly 3 years - havn't you learnt anything? You wouldn't have a chance (as everyone above has said) of getting it the way you suggest. You would have to prove registration in bad faith - how could you do that? If you came off to the owner like you did in you're initial post, he probably stuck at least one zero on the end... |
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| Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Well - I was going to Voice my Opinion ..... But it's Been said enough already ![]() I've said it before and I'll say it again - It's No one's business WHAT Price a "Owner" places on their own Domain Except them. Nothing bugs me more than this type thinking .... I bust people for Sales Crashing over this all the time - Someone is asking a certain price for a domain and some Joker pops up and posts "It's not worth that much" Well ..... Expect a warning for it everytime from me It doesnt matter if it is a free .Tk domain ..... If the owner wishes to ask 1,000,000 $ - It's their choice.This case is even worse really - Threatening to try to obtain the domain through legal channels just because they wont sell to you for a LowBall Offer ? Don't expect any MOTM nominations this way ..........
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Blaine, Wa.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Well one thing for sure, it is one sided as all are in agreement that the owner is in charge. But at least you asked the advice and you can take advantage of its wisdom. That way you will save much money and effort. Its true we can get caught up in our goals and get mad about things not going our way. True character is formed when things are going against us. Its possible the name will find its way to you. Get creative. I have one idea. Tell him how you felt, that you thought he was way over priced on it. That was upsetting for you as you wanted to develope it. Let him know now you have had time to think it over. Now you want him to know you admire him for not selling out for what he believes in. Mention you were just anxious to get the name but lack the funds he desires. Its because you want to use the name for a site that you have a vision for. Mention in closing that if he ever decides to let it go for a lesser price that you will hope he contacts you. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 When taking the easy way is flashing at us like a Casino sign, its important to choose what to do wisely. Only one outcome matters, having business ethics in your domain business. Doing that will bring the most success eventually. You have reinforced in us the need to be professional. Thanks for your post. Who knows he might drop his price if he realizes others see he has a great and valuable domain.
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| New Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: OC
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Like you all probably already figured out, I'm not familiar with domains, that's why I asked. I was just thinking that maybe I could kill two birds with one stone, since as mentioned, I'm going to use the name for my business. It's growing quite a bit and I'm incorporating it soon. *sigh* The .net and .org sellers were pretty reasonable too, it's just this .com that's so hard to talk to. And his english isn't even that understandable. Grr, so frustrating. Oh well, thanks for all the feedback. | ||||
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| NameBio.com Founder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Doiz - How far apart are you on the negotiations? Is he demanding 10k and your comming to the table with $500 bucks? Without knowing further what the domain name is, theres is little way that we could value this name to see if your assumption that the name is not worth 10k is true. But the problem is that you have basically told the owner of the domain name that you must have it, this makes it more valuable. The fact that you keep comming after the domain - means unquestionably its worth a lot. Best of luck - but it sounds like your going to end up paying if you want this name. Justin
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KCMO
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![]() ![]() ![]() | Can you blame the youngsters these days? It's the American way according to what they have grown up with. If you don't give me what I want, I will just take from you. After all, it isn't fair that you've gotten it before I have.
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| NamePros Member Join Date: Mar 2005
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![]() ![]() | A .com can be bought by anyone from any country and any language. You want (may be "need" is the right word) the domain and it is your job to try to contact and reach the other part in the best possible way. Why he must to speak well Your native language ? do you speak other "foreign" languages or the language of the person that have the wisdom to register the domain that you need ?. Please try to be more human, recognize that you really need the domain and if that person was wise enought to register "your" domain, may be it is also wise enought to get more money of it, just in case that is in the domains business. If it is just in a "real" business, it will just value the domain in the money that can get using it. If you need it, better try to pay now than try to buy it later at a even higher price. If you not need it, look for another domain. But using reverse hijacking it is not the way to follow.
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| Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: In Free Fall
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Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 You either need to let it go and find another domain you can live with, or suck it up and pay the price the seller wants. Heck, maybe if you did back off of it for a couple of months, the seller might come back with an offer that might seem more reasonable to you. As of right now though, he KNOWS you REALLY want the dn -- and THAT puts him in the driver's seat no matter WHAT his nationality is or what YOU want to pay or think the name is worth.
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| Yup. It's cold. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Alaska
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Business is war, and you are simply up against a tough adversary. New strategies come into play...as someone above mentioned, find a domain he may value and see if a trade is possible. If all fails, I'm willing to bet there's a good ccTLD available for your business...it's a compromise, but it buys you a domain name to start you off, and it buys you time to continue your battle.
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Gloucestershire, England
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![]() ![]() | I have a little more sympathy for you than the others here. It's frustrating when an owner prices a domain out of usage. If that's what's happened here then dropping his price expectations a little would be good for the seller (he'd get a sale at a fair price rather than no sale), for you (you'd get the domain you want for your business), and for everyone else (the internet would get just a little bit better with one more domain pointing to an active site). ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 However, it's his domain and he's within his rights to refuse to sell at any price. The trademark trick won't (and shouldn't) work. Hopefully he's holding out for a high price because he thinks that's what you specifically are willing to pay, rather than because he thinks that's what people in general would pay for this domain. If that's the case, then when he realises you won't go that high he might just drop his price to salvage a sale. If it's worth more to you than anyone else, then the best price he's going to get is the most that you're willing to pay (either now or in the future), so, rationally, that's what he should take. If it's worth more to someone else, then his valuation is reasonable and he hasn't priced it out of usage. If he really is being unrealistic and inflexible, then you can at least take satisfaction in the fact that he won't make any money out of the domain, but you'll just have to make do without.
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| Account Closed Join Date: Sep 2006
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 Additionally (1), even when a name is trademarked it CAN yet be used, as long as it is used for another area not competing with the TM's owner. Check "Global" for example, several companies under that same TM. He has no chance. Additionally (2), his possible TM would be filed AFTER the domain owner registered it. This fact alone impossibilitates that, deplorable, tatic. However, there is still one last chance, extremely remote, but there is hope. As the buyer said that the "domain doesn't get any traffic, it doesn't generate any revenue, it's not even a premium domain" the owner MIGHT leave it drop and not renew it. Sure, the buyer already expressed his STRONG interest, the .net and .org are taken... but if he just keep checking it for the dropping time, who knows??? Don't want all the work, research and wait? Pay what is asked. . | ||||
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KCMO
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![]() ![]() ![]() | The more I think about this, akrasia is on the mark. Why don't you just send the owner a note. Explain that offers don't come around much and if you cannot work out a deal, it could be his last for a very long time. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=268060 Explain that you want the name and are simply willing or able to pay x for it. Don't try to lowball him if you know it is worth 3x your offer. Find a happy medium that you both can live with. If he sells, then good for you. If he refuses to lower the price, simply and respectfully let him know when he decides to negotiate, to come calliing. A few months down the road, he may need a few bucks quickly and will remember your offer. If not, use the.net till he drops it or he finds a better deal and you are forced to move on. I use a .net for my web business. If you market it right, it won't effect you much at all, unless you think that a significant portion of your business is type in. If so, find a new .com and be creative. Instead of bookclub.com try sarahsbooks.com or whatever. |
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