EbookLover

I'm new to overture type in odmains. When I say overture type ins I mean whole domains with the extentsion.

I found a couple of OVT type in domains with extentions. They are .COMs.

Not sure if I should buy them. They are unregistered. They are both in the high hundreds as far as # of searches.

Are these worth registering at this search # level?

What are the factors that one needs to take into consideration when deciding whether to register them or not?

Now one of them is kind of odd. It does not only contain the domain but also a few keywords around it. Does this usually diminish the worth of it. I mean as far as worthiness of being registered?

Thanks

Jennifer

No question. Pick them up.

If you're not going to. I'll pay for for the info

Get my point!

__________________

Check out the new Domain Name Bargain Bin right here at NamePros.com!

gazzip

If they have a good overture with ext - ie thenamehere.com then go for it
When you say high - how many is it ?

EbookLover

But can you explain why they are valuable? Sorry, I'm a new at this. Is it because there are people searching for it and therefore are prone to get traffic?

I just don't understnad why people are searching for them in a search engine rather than just typing them into their browser.

And about that one with the kwywords around it. Thing is that it has duplicate keywords around it. Like KEYWORD1 KEYWORD2 DOMAIN.COM KEYWORD1. Looks fishy to me. Should I be concerned?

I'm trying to understand this better so forgive me if I sound dumb about it.

Also, can I assume that these things are worth sell over their reg fee since they have hundreds of searches?

One more question. At what point are they not worth it. I mean what if they had only 3 searches or 35? Would they still be worth it?

I'm sorry, I think I'd rather reg them myself. But I am curious. Given you do not know the domains or what industry they are in, what would you be willing to pay for the info? Not looking to sell the info but rather I am trying to get an idea of what domains like this are worth right off the bat given a certain amount of searches.

Thanks for your reply.

BTW, HOLY FREAKING COW, MAN! You sure do have a lot of NP$!!! I never saw so many in one person's account. You're the queen of NP$!

gazzip

If you are doing it properly ie in http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

You are typing the name - ie > bermudahotels.com into the search box and you are getting a high number then it means that you will get that number (some people say x10 is more accurate ?) of visitors per month.

If you can convert those visitors to paying clicks then you should make good money. Obviously the click rate would depend on what kind of keyword it is.

an example is creditcards.com has an overture of 3787 visitors for last month - that is why domains with a high overture(with ext) are worth money usually - because you will receive traffic by people who directly type it into the address box instead of using a search engine.

I hope I explained it clearly ? feel free to PM me if I can help any further.

Jennifer

In short, the reason OVT w/ extension is so valuable is because people are actually typing the domain name with extension to get to it. You are pretty much guaranteed type in traffic if it's legit.

My personal guideline is at least a score of 100 (with extension)

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here:

Are you saying that there is another keyword after the domain extension? If so, there is NO value. That is a shady result, and isn't accurate. It only counts if everything is before the extension provides the result.

I wouldn't pay for the "info" persay, but I'd pay if I ended up registering the name. Probably 500-1000NP$ depending on the quality.

...and there are a few folks that are much more NP$ rich than I

__________________

Check out the new Domain Name Bargain Bin right here at NamePros.com!

gazzip

Not many - You're number 5 - just below Donald Trump

EbookLover

Yes. Like...

insurance health life auto insurancedomain.com insurance homeowner

GiddyUp

I've also found keywords with OVT in the thousands that are unreged - one is actually 5616 - is that the number of actual type ins it gets in the address bar or into search engines? PS I used the following link for OVT scores

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

So this means that if reged, this domain would recieve approx. that number of page views per month just from type ins? Also, is that based on a developed web page/blank page/parked page? For example, there is a site that has OVT of 15421 and it only recieved 12 unique visitors in the past month - can someone explain that to me?

Any advice would be appreciated - thanks

gazzip

That is no use

Check this example > Type in creditcards.com No spaces and include the .com

http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear...ry/suggestion/

The result should show - 3787 for those "exact words with ext"

If you find a domain with a good overture result it means that it received that amount of visitors in the previous month.

My example - creditcards.com shows that it received 3787 visitors who typed it directly into the browser address.

This is sometimes called "direct navigation"

gamehouse

First of all, there are two things.

Ovt with extention and OVT without extention. If you take an example, say "keyword", then there could be two things. Ovt number for keword and then ovt for keyword.ext (ext could be .com, .net or anything)

Generally speaking Ovt with extention is more valuable than without. Now if OVT without ext goes more than 10K, folks consider it as good.

Also OVT shows the number of searches done on yahoo search ( I guess) not all searches and not type in number.

Hope it helps.

Gamehouse

__________________
Live Media -TV- Fresh & Latest Videos :: Addiction Warning
PRIMARIES.TV - Right Name for Election Times - PM Offers
Website Templates, Flash Templates, Logos, and Themes
ClickMedia.TV - Coming Soon

EbookLover

It is the supposed # of times the "term" (or in this case, the domain) was suppsoedly searched on within the overture network of search site within the previous month.

To me, it seems very fishy when you find a domain in the overture search inventory that was never even registred before and therefore never developed. That's why I don't trust it and that's one reason why I started this thread.

Why would people be searching on a domain, especially one that was never actually a website before (well, at least whois.sc is telling me that it was never regged before, and I know that whois.sc is not that reliable all th time either).

gazzip

Because to a certain extend some people "expect" to see a website on - for example >
dirtbikes.com (which has an overture result of 1855 for - dirtbikes.com with extension)

That is why it was recently sold for $75,000

EbookLover

I believe that you are wrong here on 2 points.

#1 The # of searches shown in the OVT tool is supposed to be the # of times that term was searched on within the overture network of sites within the previous month, not how many people typed it into a browser address bar directly. Overture would have no way to track domains typed in browser address bard.

#2 The # of searches shown in the OVT tool results does not indicate the # of visitors to the site but rather only the # of times the term/domain was searched on in the previous month within the overture network of sites. Wether or not they actually visited the site is another story (because maybe no site existed to begin with) and to boot, since the OVT tool only spits out the # of searches on the OVT network of sites only it is not a good indicator of how many times that term was searched on in ALL search engines, like Google and others, for instance.

gazzip

I agree with you about the above bit but and I am pretty sure the other info I have said is correct - I'll leave it to someone else to clarify it further for you. (or me ??)

EbookLover

Right. I can understand that with a dictionary or equivalent domain. But not with a non-dictionary or equivalent domain.

For instance, why would people be searching on the domain DomainDestroyerX.com (just an example) if it was never actually a developed domain in the past or at the present time nor is it a brand name or proper noun or anything like that?

But think about it. How could overture know how many times a domain was directly typed into people's browsers? This can't be right. It only knows how many times a keyword, keyword phrase or domain was searched on in the ovt network of search sites. These are really the only things ovt could ever track. If they could track the # of searches typed into a browser address bar it would meant that ovt would have some plugin or spyware installed on everyone's browsers. That can't be the case.

Now if you use your browser address bar as a search tool and not just for typing in domains and you have your browser's default search set to, say, yahoo, then I believe it would be possible for ovt to measure this, but only because if you inputting a keyword instead of a domain it will bring up a yahoo search automatically in your browser for rthat keyword/phrase. So in actuality, ovt is still only collecting info from the yahoo search, not really the initial browser bar search.

Now if you had your browser's default search set to a SE that is not on the ovt network, like Google, it would have no way to actually collect that search info.

Phronesis

OV with extension results are for how many times someone search xxxxxxx.com via the search bar, not the address bar.

I'd also beware buying domains that people sell by hyping their ov results without any traffic or rev. stats b/c they can search their own domain 100 times this month and quote the results in their sale post next month.

EbookLover

Exactly. It is probably easy fake OVT results for a domain and that is why I am not to keen on buying OVT domains. I am sure that there is some sort of software out there that would do this fake searching for you. Even if it is not exactly for sale to the public, I am sure that it is somewhat simp0le for a programmer to make such a software and use it for himself.

I have seen OVT results that are pretty weird and it makes me think that it is totally possible to fake OVT results.

__________________

NameFarmer

Ebook, no one knows the exact no of times a domain (incl. ext.) are typed in directly in browsers. Bottom line is that ovt is at present the best open (there are commercial alts) avail. tool to determin the probability of traffic.
Finding a domain incl.ext with ovt score is NOT common. There is a lot of research to be done before you find the first one. And more than likely it will be in the range of 25 to 50 somewhere. If the domain are commercially targeted they are well worth regging in my opinion. Most of my ovt domains have between 3-10 x the ovt score in visitors per month. If you have found something in the hundreds or as another one mentioned, in the thousands, this I think is without ext. Sometimes you can find domains related to an special event (annual). In those cases the traffic is there (might be over 100 in ovt) but only in certain periods of the year.

EbookLover

The domains I found in OVT do in fact have the extension. That's what makes them a domain and not a keyword, afterall, right? And they have results in the hundreds not in the XX range.

__________________

GoPC

I have a simple question...

With so FEW people using Overature for searches (the only ones being those who value a name based on its results), WHY is overature so important to domain value?

Also, why is overature SO inaccurate? I've got almost 50 hits FROM overature (searched: gopc.com) to my site according to my site tracking software YET Overature shows NO searches for gopc.com.

How is that?

Someone tell me what the big deal is with Overature?

Scott

__________________
Just wondering why folks tell you your domain isn't worth reg fee then pay SNAP $70 for your domain...

EbookLover

Becasue maybe although your domain is being searched on, it may not be searched on within OVTs network of sites. If people are searching on your domain using Google, for instance, OVT would have no way to know that. As stated earlier in this thread, OVT results are only indicative of searched from within OVTs network of sites, which includes Yahoo, InfoSpace, and a few others.

__________________

NameFarmer

One of several ways you can investigate this further is to google the keyword you found. With and without spaces. If you find a lot of "hype" around it, the traffic might be there. Or..just reg it and see.
Problem with not common words or phrases are the fact that the domain might have belonged to some obscure site or webshop. Traffic will die out unless you develop a good site that the previous traffic finds interesting. When i search and look for ovt domains I always find more sites I DON'T want simply because they probably will not break even due to their nature.

GoPC

Which is exactly my point! How many "normal people" use Overature versus Google? How can I have the TOP hit on Google AND Yahoo AND Altavista AND, AND, AND.... and yet NOT be listed on Overature despite the fact it has been searched on Overature?

It's like me telling Google their site is worthless because it doesn't get a hit on "JoeBob's Serch-it-all" website.

Also... I've been told on numerous occasions that Overature does NOT include searches for Yahoo, Infospace and others... it only logs what is searched AT Overature. Period.

So again, why is OVERATURE so special? Why do so many people use such a SMALL and INSIGNIFICANT engine like that to value domains?

Especially when it is in direct conflict of such prominant and highly used engines like Google?

Am I insane or does that make absoutely NO sense? To ignore Google's ratings in favor of a isolated, underused site?

IF you are a BUYER, than I can understand talking a domain price DOWN becuase it doesn't appear on an obsure search. But as a SELLER, I think people hiding behind Overature are ripping people off.

By the way, Mircrosft.com is a worthless domain because it doesn't show up as being searched on JoeBob's serch-it-all either.

Saying a domain doesn't "count" because it doesn't get searched on Overature is like saying there is not AIR because you can't SEE it.

Please explain the logic to me.

Scott

__________________
Just wondering why folks tell you your domain isn't worth reg fee then pay SNAP $70 for your domain...

EbookLover

The answer is that it is not "special". It is because it is a free tool and it's better than nothing at all. In many cases it can give you a rough estimate, but not an exact result to rely solely upon.

I doubt, BTW, that OVT does not include searches from yahoo and other sites in it's network for it's results becuase think about it...who uses overture to search anything?

This is all I cna tell you. I fyou do not like ot use OVT, then don;t. Others do, though. I myself agree that it may be so unreliable and easily manipulated that it is not worth using. But maybe it is good for entertainment?

Other than this, I really do not know what you wnat from me. You sound like you are getting frustrated with me and my answers to your questions. I am only human, I do not work for yahoo, I do not work for overture, and your guess is as good as mine. Sorry you thought my answer was "not really an answer". I cannot help you any further, bud.

__________________