DN market talking

Genialnames · 06-18-2005, 04:20 AM

I wish to understand better how the DN market works ,
I have read a lot of articles and post on forum, talk with a lot people etc, as most of you do I guess .

A fundamental to understand how things works on a certain market is to compare the offers against the market demand, that 's the way the real markets go, and these are the data that pro traders are analizyng everyday in order to be able to take the right decisions.

Everyone know that but maybe not everyone noted that this is not true for the DN market!

I couln't find anywhere these datas for the DN market and I always relied , as all of us do , on industry claims and on what the big guys says (as SEDO Afternic etc) ,big scoops here and there, the cheat of the three letters names and of the unique words, that's all.
Markets are made on facts , or better on money , not on words (exuse the word's game, since our market "it is" the words...)

I had never figured out how to get these data, until now,then I got the idea to go to SEDO, since they claim to be the greatest marketplace (and since I have my names with them ) and I went thru some research by strong keyword, and well, the results are quite strange!

I invite you to take a look yourself

What you have to do is :
1) type keywords like sex, money, search , whatever word you know it is strong.
2) Look how many sites there are on sale for that keyword (for sex there are some 567 pages for 28 names each=15876 names!)
3)count how many offers there are against the nuber of name for sale, and consider the quality of the name too.( dont stop at page 1 and 2, they order the result by higher, go to the other pages instead)
4) look at the traffic , you will see that odd names sometime receive more traffic that good ones, but traffic is not high at all)
5) note how many good names(you thought you wish to own) do receive no offers not at all.

These are facts to think of.

In my opinion this way to go it is a suicide, it is good for guys about 13-14yrs old who just want enjoy to trade few bucks and like to play the role as young enterpreneurs, but it is not a real business.

Well, it is a business for the big guys but the real business for them are not the Names, we are their business and they play with our money, not their money, and our time,and our names, this is the real situation by now,it is not nice.

my request would be to have at least the following data to be available to be viewed daily from SEDO Afternic, and co.

1) how many sites are listed , true no publicity
2) How many trade concluded by day (we make here on Namepro auctions, it works fineand it keep up the market, to disclose these numbers it will not keep it down.
3) the value of the transactions concluded daily, for what names.

I will like to hear your reaction too and best of all would be to see some report about some investigation on this matter.

I will publish one next time,now I got to go.

thanks for the time you spent to read.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/99630-dn-market-talking.html

In doing that I hope to render a service to the member of the DN market community.

JoshHendo · 06-18-2005, 05:07 AM

Dow domain name marketing works? I would just say if you were to sell a domain name that the best change of selling is if you have a hightraffic or common word....

nRnF · 06-18-2005, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Genialnames

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Well, it is a business for the big guys but the real business for them are not the Names, we are their business and they play with our money, not their money, and our time,and our names, this is the real situation by now.......

You got it

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=99630
Make a difference between owners and brokers and you will understand it eaven better.

mole · 06-18-2005, 08:47 AM

Actually, the domain industry has grown in professionalism over the years. Domains are fundamental to what makes up the WWW as we know it, so its not just a made up "cottage industry" out to scam money from the rest of us.

Jeanco · 06-18-2005, 10:08 AM

I think it would be a bad idea to have this kind of information available. here's why:

1) It would require a formal body to govern domain names changing hands (I mean beyond ICANN... one that would require the price be released). If this was not the case then the data would be flawed.

2) Taxes. As of now there is no sales tax on the selling of domain names (at least for most of us who don't credit it through a business account as an expense or profit). With a body set up that would be able to track the kind of information your after then every domain sale would include tax.

Genialnames · 06-18-2005, 02:26 PM

Dont' be offended but I wonder if any of you had performed what I suggest, or even carefully read the thread and be sure to understand it before to post, it seems you didn't got the point at all.

please read it again.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=99630

Jean: you should pay taxes anyway by trading domains professionally, no way to avoid it.

Just to point: with "professionally" I mean you are not simply registering a name and then try to sell it, it mean instead the case of a client that come to you willing to invest his money in such industry (either for his own web presence or for pure speculative purposes)
Can you honestly say you can provide a professional service, at least at the level that is estabilished for any other form of investing trade? (also consider that service rise up the price of the name, go ask for a quotation for a name at some estabilished agency to have an idea)

mole · 06-18-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Genialnames

Can you honestly say you can provide a professional service, at least at the level that is estabilished for any other form of investing trade? (also consider that service rise up the price of the name, go ask for a quotation for a name at some estabilished agency to have an idea)

Yes, you can. It's called monetization. Many use traffic as the benchmark for domain value, in which results translate into click-throughs, or in its ultimate manifest, sales conversion.

However, domains by themselves don't necessary create traffic just by being, they are many ways to increase traffic to any domain. Traffic development helps bring further measurable value to a given domain.

So all in all, yes, this is one serious service. Nonetheless, cost of domain acquisition today is getting much too inflated. If anything, the market needs to correct itself.

Genialnames · 06-18-2005, 08:03 PM

correct monetization it can be a professional service
not for nothing I own the domain
MONETIZE.IT

yes , but this is another aspect of the market it is a specialization but it works on the long run, an investment must be prove incoming before..and it doesn't works for istance for a company or for an industry or an investor that want to buy a name for their already estabilished business.
It works more for parked domains, unused domains, but there also a risk to ruine a good name if you go with the wrong monetization program.

Then second point, is not that a single domain earn usually too much from a monetization program and the best payout are 50/50% , so most of the money for the work doesn't go to you but to the company where you placed the name
3) for the client may sound not good to share 50% of what he consider leittimally to be his income.
4) You cant guarantee the income so I wonder how you can come up with a price.
5) The client have to pay for the creation, the registration and for your work ( that is not only put the name on the right circuit but you must go with a good SEO job, keywords, metatags, site rank and so on, ) that could cost to you personally many money if your're done it professionaly, how do you ask these money to the client without any data at hand?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=99630

Do you will accept to work professionallyt upon a percent of the revenue basis (note that this percent will also reduce the 50% of the client so supposed profit...mmm).

I only see holes in this approach, even to many to be fully discussed . :IMHO:

barefoottech · 06-18-2005, 10:02 PM

Domain Name sales and Enhancement Services(Development,promotion,SEO) is just like any other Business involving Intangible goods and services.
Market pressures,Costings and Availablity determines the prices and Future values. As for market regulation in the domain Name market,it does already exist to some degree. Who can ,Can't ,shouldn't sell Domains is already ICANN Controlled. In Australia WHo can register Names is Govt. Regulated. Similiar rules in other countries as well. Plus the big factor in regulation will all ways be Peer Pressure ,if there is some rogue or clown ,Groups or forums like Namepros will soon expose them.

Genialnames · 06-18-2005, 11:31 PM

good point, but i think is not question of regulation, is matter as you say of rogue and clowns, they seems ruling, that's a problem.
The DN market is a new reality (if compared with any other business) but it involve a lot of people , practically any one: who own a domain has to do with it once at least,to do mention all us, and those personel who works for all the companies, like registrars, market places....wow quite a lotoof people!
In the world of the experts, the DN industry it represent one of the basys itself of the internet (technically speaking this a domain name is indispensable, cant' live without, try an internet made of sites mamed by their IP number only).

My point is that being this the reality it is impossible to have no the same tools that are used in any other field to take ponderate decisions, to the operators at least.
Then is up to each one to use these tools or not, to me I think, being my first occupation in this market to create names more than sell them (that is the same to say if I was an industry that I start from the raw material" )to have reliable datas about the market trend would greatly improve my professionality, reduce cost and providing higher quality to my clients , and definitively to contribute to make the DN a more professional especially to the eyes of the customers.

06-18-2005, 04:20 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	DN market talking I wish to understand better how the DN market works , I have read a lot of articles and post on forum, talk with a lot people etc, as most of you do I guess . A fundamental to understand how things works on a certain market is to compare the offers against the market demand, that 's the way the real markets go, and these are the data that pro traders are analizyng everyday in order to be able to take the right decisions. Everyone know that but maybe not everyone noted that this is not true for the DN market! I couln't find anywhere these datas for the DN market and I always relied , as all of us do , on industry claims and on what the big guys says (as SEDO Afternic etc) ,big scoops here and there, the cheat of the three letters names and of the unique words, that's all. Markets are made on facts , or better on money , not on words (exuse the word's game, since our market "it is" the words...) I had never figured out how to get these data, until now,then I got the idea to go to SEDO, since they claim to be the greatest marketplace (and since I have my names with them ) and I went thru some research by strong keyword, and well, the results are quite strange! I invite you to take a look yourself What you have to do is : 1) type keywords like sex, money, search , whatever word you know it is strong. 2) Look how many sites there are on sale for that keyword (for sex there are some 567 pages for 28 names each=15876 names!) 3)count how many offers there are against the nuber of name for sale, and consider the quality of the name too.( dont stop at page 1 and 2, they order the result by higher, go to the other pages instead) 4) look at the traffic , you will see that odd names sometime receive more traffic that good ones, but traffic is not high at all) 5) note how many good names(you thought you wish to own) do receive no offers not at all. These are facts to think of. In my opinion this way to go it is a suicide, it is good for guys about 13-14yrs old who just want enjoy to trade few bucks and like to play the role as young enterpreneurs, but it is not a real business. Well, it is a business for the big guys but the real business for them are not the Names, we are their business and they play with our money, not their money, and our time,and our names, this is the real situation by now,it is not nice. my request would be to have at least the following data to be available to be viewed daily from SEDO Afternic, and co. 1) how many sites are listed , true no publicity 2) How many trade concluded by day (we make here on Namepro auctions, it works fineand it keep up the market, to disclose these numbers it will not keep it down. 3) the value of the transactions concluded daily, for what names. I will like to hear your reaction too and best of all would be to see some report about some investigation on this matter. I will publish one next time,now I got to go. thanks for the time you spent to read. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/99630-dn-market-talking.html In doing that I hope to render a service to the member of the DN market community. __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your!

06-18-2005, 05:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
JoshHendo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,091	Dow domain name marketing works? I would just say if you were to sell a domain name that the best change of selling is if you have a hightraffic or common word.... __________________ :bingo: :kickass: :lala: :notme: :great: :gn:

06-18-2005, 08:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
mole Insectivora Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under Ground Posts: 2,164	Actually, the domain industry has grown in professionalism over the years. Domains are fundamental to what makes up the WWW as we know it, so its not just a made up "cottage industry" out to scam money from the rest of us. __________________ If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Sir Francis Bacon

06-18-2005, 10:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jeanco RyanPrice.ca - Developer Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,328	I think it would be a bad idea to have this kind of information available. here's why: 1) It would require a formal body to govern domain names changing hands (I mean beyond ICANN... one that would require the price be released). If this was not the case then the data would be flawed. 2) Taxes. As of now there is no sales tax on the selling of domain names (at least for most of us who don't credit it through a business account as an expense or profit). With a body set up that would be able to track the kind of information your after then every domain sale would include tax. __________________ Ryan Price - Webmaster www.HostDurham.com - For Hosting \| www.jeanco.ca - For Webdesign

06-18-2005, 02:26 PM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	Dont' be offended but I wonder if any of you had performed what I suggest, or even carefully read the thread and be sure to understand it before to post, it seems you didn't got the point at all. please read it again. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=99630 Jean: you should pay taxes anyway by trading domains professionally, no way to avoid it. Just to point: with "professionally" I mean you are not simply registering a name and then try to sell it, it mean instead the case of a client that come to you willing to invest his money in such industry (either for his own web presence or for pure speculative purposes) Can you honestly say you can provide a professional service, at least at the level that is estabilished for any other form of investing trade? (also consider that service rise up the price of the name, go ask for a quotation for a name at some estabilished agency to have an idea) __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your!

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06-18-2005, 08:03 PM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	correct monetization it can be a professional service not for nothing I own the domain MONETIZE.IT yes , but this is another aspect of the market it is a specialization but it works on the long run, an investment must be prove incoming before..and it doesn't works for istance for a company or for an industry or an investor that want to buy a name for their already estabilished business. It works more for parked domains, unused domains, but there also a risk to ruine a good name if you go with the wrong monetization program. Then second point, is not that a single domain earn usually too much from a monetization program and the best payout are 50/50% , so most of the money for the work doesn't go to you but to the company where you placed the name 3) for the client may sound not good to share 50% of what he consider leittimally to be his income. 4) You cant guarantee the income so I wonder how you can come up with a price. 5) The client have to pay for the creation, the registration and for your work ( that is not only put the name on the right circuit but you must go with a good SEO job, keywords, metatags, site rank and so on, ) that could cost to you personally many money if your're done it professionaly, how do you ask these money to the client without any data at hand? ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=99630 Do you will accept to work professionallyt upon a percent of the revenue basis (note that this percent will also reduce the 50% of the client so supposed profit...mmm). I only see holes in this approach, even to many to be fully discussed . :IMHO: __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your! Last edited by Genialnames; 06-18-2005 at 08:11 PM.

06-18-2005, 10:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
barefoottech The MINISITE King Join Date: May 2005 Location: QTHR Posts: 4,594	Domain Name sales and Enhancement Services(Development,promotion,SEO) is just like any other Business involving Intangible goods and services. Market pressures,Costings and Availablity determines the prices and Future values. As for market regulation in the domain Name market,it does already exist to some degree. Who can ,Can't ,shouldn't sell Domains is already ICANN Controlled. In Australia WHo can register Names is Govt. Regulated. Similiar rules in other countries as well. Plus the big factor in regulation will all ways be Peer Pressure ,if there is some rogue or clown ,Groups or forums like Namepros will soon expose them. __________________ Studio51 Sites! Often Copied Always Amazing Never Bettered.

06-18-2005, 11:31 PM	THREAD STARTER #10 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	good point, but i think is not question of regulation, is matter as you say of rogue and clowns, they seems ruling, that's a problem. The DN market is a new reality (if compared with any other business) but it involve a lot of people , practically any one: who own a domain has to do with it once at least,to do mention all us, and those personel who works for all the companies, like registrars, market places....wow quite a lotoof people! In the world of the experts, the DN industry it represent one of the basys itself of the internet (technically speaking this a domain name is indispensable, cant' live without, try an internet made of sites mamed by their IP number only). My point is that being this the reality it is impossible to have no the same tools that are used in any other field to take ponderate decisions, to the operators at least. Then is up to each one to use these tools or not, to me I think, being my first occupation in this market to create names more than sell them (that is the same to say if I was an industry that I start from the raw material" )to have reliable datas about the market trend would greatly improve my professionality, reduce cost and providing higher quality to my clients , and definitively to contribute to make the DN a more professional especially to the eyes of the customers. __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your! Last edited by Genialnames; 06-18-2005 at 11:35 PM.

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