LL.com sold for 1k??

ThreeD · 02-17-2012, 02:12 PM

At first I didn't notice the domain was a IDN (thanks Keith), needless to say I almost lost it when I saw this LL.com sell for $1100

http://sedo.com/auction/auction_hist...d=&language=us

Keith · 02-17-2012, 02:14 PM

Can you say IDN?

ThreeD · 02-17-2012, 02:17 PM

ahhhh...I didn't notice that. I pasted it into the address bar and it came up as jp.com - it doesn't look like a "typical" IDN

Shouldn't there be some kind of warning to all bidders that they're dealing with an IDN?

***johname*** · 02-17-2012, 02:20 PM

its xn--p1a1c.com

Keith · 02-17-2012, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by johname

its xn--p1a1c.com

Looks like an $1100 domain to me

***johname*** · 02-17-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by ThreeD

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/747059-ll-com-sold-for-1k.html
Shouldn't there be some kind of warning to all bidders that they're dealing with an IDN?

We are looking at a closed auction, would have to see how it was presented live, but I see the concern.

Shackleton · 02-17-2012, 02:30 PM

During the auction they have an explanation in the listing that says:

Important Notice: This is an Internationalized Domain (IDN). Technically the domain is xn--something.com

Unfortunately, some bidders aren't reading the description and are most likely unaware of what they are purchasing. It seems prominent enough.

Sully · 02-17-2012, 02:36 PM

To me, the IDN listings on SEDO are no different than anonymous snake oil salesmen selling their wares. They make sales (mostly) on the uninformed and the quick to bid. Most of the IDNs were registered months ago and start with a shill bid. It's a corrupt practice that needs immediate attention in my opinion. I'm hopeful now that SEDO has new management things will begin to clear up there.

Ben · 02-17-2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Keith

Looks like an $1100 domain to me

I agree it's a junk domain but you can't see that by just looking at the punycode. xn--wgv71a.com is worth $10000s for example.

Keith · 02-17-2012, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by johname

would have to see how it was presented live, but I see the concern.

There have been quite a few IDN domains at auction lately. Several require a double take but the price always tells the truth!

wot · 02-17-2012, 04:24 PM

That piece of garbage was registered in Nov 2011 and is worthless!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

And here are a couple more.

ја.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/aucti...id=&language=e Registered 11th Feb 2012

хѕ.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/aucti...id=&language=e Registered 16th Nov 2011

These piles of rubbish are as close to fraud as you can get and at the moment Sedo.com has then plastered all over their "featured domains" and on auction.

It should be obvious to even the dumbest person that the initial bids are shill and that if these names were what they look to be then it would be $xxx,xxx up!

There have been numerous attempts to get Sedo.com to do something about it but nothing has been done-it's a disgrace to our industry and a even worse to real IDN.

---------- Post added at 08:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 AM ----------

Normally if I post something like this it gets moved to the IDN section or to the Sedo section and I get warned.

This is too important to be hidden away and should stay on the domain discussion section,maybe even pinned as a warning to what is happening.

---------- Post added at 08:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:22 AM ----------

See my blog if you are interested to see just how long this has been going on with no action from Sedo.com

sdsinc · 02-17-2012, 04:47 PM

I never see these domains making it to reported sales, I assume that the sales do not complete once the buyers realize their mistake

wot · 02-17-2012, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

I never see these domains making it to reported sales, I assume that the sales do not complete once the buyers realize their mistake

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059
Hopefully that is the case and the more they get reported the more likely potential buyers will do some due diligence and will find a reference to them on Google etc.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck - guess what,chances are it's a duck!

CAVEAT EMPTOR

jcourtenay · 02-22-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by wot

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck - guess what,chances are it's a duck!

That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time, very true though.

wot · 02-22-2012, 11:52 PM

And this important thread got moved-amazing!

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

Cyberian · 02-23-2012, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by wot

And this important thread got moved-amazing!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

Sorry Mods, but I have to agree with wot...
This thread should have remained in DND... imho

Peace,
Cyberian

Ben · 02-23-2012, 12:25 PM

I agree, it's important people realize when they are bidding on an IDN.

***mis_chiff*** · 02-23-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by wot

And this important thread got moved-amazing!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

Sure I can justify it - it is IDN - yes?
Was slated for deletion by request.

It was moved to the IDN Discussion forum, cause that is what it is.

Due to how easily this mistake is made by Domain buyers
maybe it should be in Domain Discussion forum.

Now that the main post has been edited....
I'll move it back.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The real onus is on the sellers anyway to be honest instead
of trying to trick people - knowing this is what people will think.

defaultuser · 02-23-2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by wot

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck

What world you live in?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

Who here was selling V0D.com? Not v0d.com but V0D.com?

Cyberian · 02-23-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by mis_chiff

Sure I can justify it - it is IDN - yes?
Was slated for deletion by request.

It was moved to the IDN Discussion forum, cause that is what it is.

Due to how easily this mistake is made by Domain buyers
maybe it should be in Domain Discussion forum.

Now that the main post has been edited....
I'll move it back.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

The real onus is on the sellers anyway to be honest instead
of trying to trick people - knowing this is what people will think.

Thanks Wendy

Peace,
Cy

Steven · 02-23-2012, 06:27 PM

Oh man. I hope the new buyer isn't going all out celebrating for his recent purchase of xn--p1a1c.com for $1,100.

wot · 02-23-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

What world you live in?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059
Who here was selling V0D.com? Not v0d.com but V0D.com?

And at no reserve,think I should have put a $5k reserve and shilled a bid?

Zero confusion on the auction page clearly showing v0d.com as opposed to an xn-- etc somewhat of a difference so please add all the facts when you want to make a judgement call!

And thanks Wendy- its where it should be!

It would be nice if Sedo.com actually did something about these phishing domains,it just needs a few more questions from those that consider this is a problem and maybe,just maybe, they will take notice.

defaultuser · 02-23-2012, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by wot

And at no reserve,think I should have put a $5k reserve and shilled a bid?

Zero confusion on the auction page clearly showing v0d.com as opposed to an xn-- etc somewhat of a difference so please add all the facts when you want to make a judgement call!

All I was saying was that a thread here at NP was for V0D.com in the title and V0D.com in the subject. How do I know? Because I thought it was VOD.com and that got me interested (because I didn't think it would be here but the seller in question often has decent names so it was reasonable to think maybe it was) I realized before clicking the link to the auction.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

Perhaps this method gets a few more listing "views" - which has zero impact on other people, right?

Odd how the auction CLEARLY showed it (your word not mine) as v0d but that was not the presentation chosen for the NP thread. I just found it interesting, that's all. In my opinion, and perhaps no one elses, it was a little bit of slickery.

For the IDN the bidding at a live auction the description clearly shows:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

So it's pretty clear there also.

As far as shill bidding? I would advise against it in general unless the marketplace doesn't do much to in the form of punishment to stop you

Edit:
For the Record: The V0D.com thing I found to be slickery but not grossly offensive like the crazy IDN shenanigans going on. The owner of V0D.com didn't mean any harm or intend to do financial damage or act fraudulently - just commenting on the fact that I still believe it was a reasoned choice to present it the way it was (to get eyes - not defraud). It's a big difference from something like lnvestor.com or the thread leading LL.com

wot · 02-24-2012, 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by defaultuser

All I was saying was that a thread here at NP was for V0D.com in the title and V0D.com in the subject. How do I know? Because I thought it was VOD.com and that got me interested (because I didn't think it would be here but the seller in question often has decent names so it was reasonable to think maybe it was) I realized before clicking the link to the auction.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059

Perhaps this method gets a few more listing "views" - which has zero impact on other people, right?

Odd how the auction CLEARLY showed it (your word not mine) as v0d but that was not the presentation chosen for the NP thread. I just found it interesting, that's all. In my opinion, and perhaps no one elses, it was a little bit of slickery.

For the IDN the bidding at a live auction the description clearly shows:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

So it's pretty clear there also.

As far as shill bidding? I would advise against it in general unless the marketplace doesn't do much to in the form of punishment to stop you

Points taken but now detracting from the current ongoing escalating problem with the fake names designed only to scam unknowing potential buyers,they are all over Sedo auctions/ featured domains with very obvious shill bids that I find it amazing that it is still going on.

For whatever reason Sedo choose to ignore anything that myself and others put directly in front of them via blogs,forums,emails etc.

Perhaps new blood taking up the banner is required?

---------- Post added at 04:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:11 PM ----------

And these are on Sedo auction! And guess what,all have 1 bid!

si̇de.com created 24th Dec 2011

јаскрот.com created 1st Feb 2012

сор.com created 16th February

јі.com created 21st February 2012

More on my blog.

sdsinc · 02-24-2012, 05:13 AM

I don't think Sedo really have an automated mean to distinguish between worthless/phishing-type IDNs and genuine words in non-Latin scripts.

I think the mention is sufficient:

Quote:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

Problem is that people bid without doing research.
I'm sure many if not most of these sales do not complete, that must be frustrating for Sedo too. At the same time, people should be free to buy bad domains

Yet these names are confusing, I'm not really sure what the best approach would be. Ban IDNs ?

02-17-2012, 02:12 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
ThreeD Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Online Posts: 2,324	LL.com sold for 1k?? At first I didn't notice the domain was a IDN (thanks Keith), needless to say I almost lost it when I saw this LL.com sell for $1100 http://sedo.com/auction/auction_hist...d=&language=us __________________ ► * Losers make excuses - winners make it happen * Last edited by ThreeD; 02-17-2012 at 02:19 PM.

02-17-2012, 02:17 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
ThreeD Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Online Posts: 2,324	ahhhh...I didn't notice that. I pasted it into the address bar and it came up as jp.com - it doesn't look like a "typical" IDN Shouldn't there be some kind of warning to all bidders that they're dealing with an IDN? __________________ ► * Losers make excuses - winners make it happen * Last edited by ThreeD; 02-17-2012 at 02:21 PM.

02-17-2012, 04:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,853	That piece of garbage was registered in Nov 2011 and is worthless! ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=747059 And here are a couple more. ја.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/aucti...id=&language=e Registered 11th Feb 2012 хѕ.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/aucti...id=&language=e Registered 16th Nov 2011 These piles of rubbish are as close to fraud as you can get and at the moment Sedo.com has then plastered all over their "featured domains" and on auction. It should be obvious to even the dumbest person that the initial bids are shill and that if these names were what they look to be then it would be $xxx,xxx up! There have been numerous attempts to get Sedo.com to do something about it but nothing has been done-it's a disgrace to our industry and a even worse to real IDN. ---------- Post added at 08:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:12 AM ---------- Normally if I post something like this it gets moved to the IDN section or to the Sedo section and I get warned. This is too important to be hidden away and should stay on the domain discussion section,maybe even pinned as a warning to what is happening. ---------- Post added at 08:24 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:22 AM ---------- See my blog if you are interested to see just how long this has been going on with no action from Sedo.com __________________ MonikerBlog.com Last edited by wot; 02-17-2012 at 04:18 PM.

02-17-2012, 04:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
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02-22-2012, 11:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
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02-17-2012, 02:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Keith Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: "D" town Posts: 3,615	Can you say IDN?

02-17-2012, 02:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
*johname* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,512	its xn--p1a1c.com

02-17-2012, 02:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Shackleton New Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 11	During the auction they have an explanation in the listing that says: Important Notice: This is an Internationalized Domain (IDN). Technically the domain is xn--something.com Unfortunately, some bidders aren't reading the description and are most likely unaware of what they are purchasing. It seems prominent enough.

02-17-2012, 02:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sully NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: East Coast Posts: 209	To me, the IDN listings on SEDO are no different than anonymous snake oil salesmen selling their wares. They make sales (mostly) on the uninformed and the quick to bid. Most of the IDNs were registered months ago and start with a shill bid. It's a corrupt practice that needs immediate attention in my opinion. I'm hopeful now that SEDO has new management things will begin to clear up there.

02-23-2012, 12:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ben Knowledge is Power Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,526	I agree, it's important people realize when they are bidding on an IDN. __________________ InternationalDrops.com: Free list of available dropped IDNs all my offers are valid for 48 hours unless posted otherwise

02-23-2012, 06:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
Steven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Namepros.com Posts: 3,449	Oh man. I hope the new buyer isn't going all out celebrating for his recent purchase of xn--p1a1c.com for $1,100. __________________ Domain Name

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