LL.com sold for 1k??

Can you say IDN?

ahhhh...I didn't notice that. I pasted it into the address bar and it came up as jp.com - it doesn't look like a "typical" IDN :P

Shouldn't there be some kind of warning to all bidders that they're dealing with an IDN?

its xn--p1a1c.com

johname said:

its xn--p1a1c.com

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Looks like an $1100 domain to me :tri:

ThreeD said:

Shouldn't there be some kind of warning to all bidders that they're dealing with an IDN?

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We are looking at a closed auction, would have to see how it was presented live, but I see the concern.

During the auction they have an explanation in the listing that says:

Important Notice: This is an Internationalized Domain (IDN). Technically the domain is xn--something.com

Unfortunately, some bidders aren't reading the description and are most likely unaware of what they are purchasing. It seems prominent enough.

To me, the IDN listings on SEDO are no different than anonymous snake oil salesmen selling their wares. They make sales (mostly) on the uninformed and the quick to bid. Most of the IDNs were registered months ago and start with a shill bid. It's a corrupt practice that needs immediate attention in my opinion. I'm hopeful now that SEDO has new management things will begin to clear up there.

Keith said:

Looks like an $1100 domain to me :tri:

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I agree it's a junk domain but you can't see that by just looking at the punycode. xn--wgv71a.com is worth $10000s for example.

johname said:

would have to see how it was presented live, but I see the concern.

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There have been quite a few IDN domains at auction lately. Several require a double take but the price always tells the truth!

That piece of garbage was registered in Nov 2011 and is worthless!

And here are a couple more.

ја.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/auct...tion_id=124884&tracked=&partnerid=&language=e Registered 11th Feb 2012

хѕ.com https://www.sedo.co.uk/auction/auct...tion_id=124919&tracked=&partnerid=&language=e Registered 16th Nov 2011

These piles of rubbish are as close to fraud as you can get and at the moment Sedo.com has then plastered all over their "featured domains" and on auction.

It should be obvious to even the dumbest person that the initial bids are shill and that if these names were what they look to be then it would be $xxx,xxx up!

There have been numerous attempts to get Sedo.com to do something about it but nothing has been done-it's a disgrace to our industry and a even worse to real IDN.

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Normally if I post something like this it gets moved to the IDN section or to the Sedo section and I get warned.

This is too important to be hidden away and should stay on the domain discussion section,maybe even pinned as a warning to what is happening.

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See my blog if you are interested to see just how long this has been going on with no action from Sedo.com

I never see these domains making it to reported sales, I assume that the sales do not complete once the buyers realize their mistake :wave:

sdsinc said:

I never see these domains making it to reported sales, I assume that the sales do not complete once the buyers realize their mistake :wave:

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Hopefully that is the case and the more they get reported the more likely potential buyers will do some due diligence and will find a reference to them on Google etc.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck - guess what,chances are it's a duck!

CAVEAT EMPTOR

wot said:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck - guess what,chances are it's a duck!

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That is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time, very true though.

And this important thread got moved-amazing!

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

wot said:

And this important thread got moved-amazing!

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

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Sorry Mods, but I have to agree with wot...
This thread should have remained in DND... imho

Peace,
Cyberian

I agree, it's important people realize when they are bidding on an IDN.

wot said:

And this important thread got moved-amazing!

It really should be where people can see what scams are going on- not hidden away,how can you mods justify this?

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Sure I can justify it - it is IDN - yes?
Was slated for deletion by request.

It was moved to the IDN Discussion forum, cause that is what it is.

Due to how easily this mistake is made by Domain buyers
maybe it should be in Domain Discussion forum.

Now that the main post has been edited....
I'll move it back.
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The real onus is on the sellers anyway to be honest instead
of trying to trick people - knowing this is what people will think.

wot said:

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck

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What world you live in?

Who here was selling V0D.com? Not v0d.com but V0D.com?

mis_chiff said:

Sure I can justify it - it is IDN - yes?
Was slated for deletion by request.

It was moved to the IDN Discussion forum, cause that is what it is.

Due to how easily this mistake is made by Domain buyers
maybe it should be in Domain Discussion forum.

Now that the main post has been edited....
I'll move it back.
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The real onus is on the sellers anyway to be honest instead
of trying to trick people - knowing this is what people will think.

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Thanks Wendy

Peace,
Cy

Oh man. I hope the new buyer isn't going all out celebrating for his recent purchase of xn--p1a1c.com for $1,100.

defaultuser said:

What world you live in?

Who here was selling V0D.com? Not v0d.com but V0D.com?

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And at no reserve,think I should have put a $5k reserve and shilled a bid?

Zero confusion on the auction page clearly showing v0d.com as opposed to an xn-- etc somewhat of a difference so please add all the facts when you want to make a judgement call!

And thanks Wendy- its where it should be!

It would be nice if Sedo.com actually did something about these phishing domains,it just needs a few more questions from those that consider this is a problem and maybe,just maybe, they will take notice.

wot said:

And at no reserve,think I should have put a $5k reserve and shilled a bid?

Zero confusion on the auction page clearly showing v0d.com as opposed to an xn-- etc somewhat of a difference so please add all the facts when you want to make a judgement call!

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All I was saying was that a thread here at NP was for V0D.com in the title and V0D.com in the subject. How do I know? Because I thought it was VOD.com and that got me interested (because I didn't think it would be here but the seller in question often has decent names so it was reasonable to think maybe it was) I realized before clicking the link to the auction.

Perhaps this method gets a few more listing "views" - which has zero impact on other people, right?

Odd how the auction CLEARLY showed it (your word not mine) as v0d but that was not the presentation chosen for the NP thread. I just found it interesting, that's all. In my opinion, and perhaps no one elses, it was a little bit of slickery.

For the IDN the bidding at a live auction the description clearly shows:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

So it's pretty clear there also.

As far as shill bidding? I would advise against it in general unless the marketplace doesn't do much to in the form of punishment to stop you


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For the Record: The V0D.com thing I found to be slickery but not grossly offensive like the crazy IDN shenanigans going on. The owner of V0D.com didn't mean any harm or intend to do financial damage or act fraudulently - just commenting on the fact that I still believe it was a reasoned choice to present it the way it was (to get eyes - not defraud). It's a big difference from something like lnvestor.com or the thread leading LL.com

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All I was saying was that a thread here at NP was for V0D.com in the title and V0D.com in the subject. How do I know? Because I thought it was VOD.com and that got me interested (because I didn't think it would be here but the seller in question often has decent names so it was reasonable to think maybe it was) I realized before clicking the link to the auction.

Perhaps this method gets a few more listing "views" - which has zero impact on other people, right?

Odd how the auction CLEARLY showed it (your word not mine) as v0d but that was not the presentation chosen for the NP thread. I just found it interesting, that's all. In my opinion, and perhaps no one elses, it was a little bit of slickery.

For the IDN the bidding at a live auction the description clearly shows:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

So it's pretty clear there also.

As far as shill bidding? I would advise against it in general unless the marketplace doesn't do much to in the form of punishment to stop you

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Points taken but now detracting from the current ongoing escalating problem with the fake names designed only to scam unknowing potential buyers,they are all over Sedo auctions/ featured domains with very obvious shill bids that I find it amazing that it is still going on.

For whatever reason Sedo choose to ignore anything that myself and others put directly in front of them via blogs,forums,emails etc.

Perhaps new blood taking up the banner is required?

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And these are on Sedo auction! And guess what,all have 1 bid!

si̇de.com created 24th Dec 2011

јаскрот.com created 1st Feb 2012

сор.com created 16th February

јі.com created 21st February 2012

More on my blog.

I don't think Sedo really have an automated mean to distinguish between worthless/phishing-type IDNs and genuine words in non-Latin scripts.

I think the mention is sufficient:

Important Notice: This is a Multi-Lingual (IDN) Domain.
Technically you are acquiring the domain xn--80a6aa8f.com

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Problem is that people bid without doing research.
I'm sure many if not most of these sales do not complete, that must be frustrating for Sedo too. At the same time, people should be free to buy bad domains

Yet these names are confusing, I'm not really sure what the best approach would be. Ban IDNs ?