The great Wireless.com tussle

mole · 01-23-2005, 10:49 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

Who will it be, the Mocking Bird, or the King?

More importantly, will they have the reserve to hit the reserve? I DON"T THINK SO.

Redleg · 01-23-2005, 10:57 AM

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5746050248

Not a single word about this "auction" on www.wireless.com ..

Mark · 01-23-2005, 11:01 AM

Doubt the exposure on ebay will be enough for the reserve , but who knows ?
It's an Awesome domain - It should open some eyes of the firm "Ovt w/extension" Believers ~ Not as high as you might think ! - Still a great name .....

mole · 01-23-2005, 11:07 AM

Yeah, the original reserve I suspect was $5m and they saw things were going so slow, so brought it down to $2m. The 50,000 uniques a day they claim is probably all bullshit, people coming back for news and stuff, plus bots. I deal with wireless solutions, and the last thing I want is to blind type some stupid generic site to get what I want, a quick search on Google will tell you precisely who the leading companies and resources are.

Why do you think the owner wants to ditch the name when things are supposed to boom (despite the chronic security problems this platform faces today)?

The dotbomb mentality all over again, some people just can't get over their first love.

phptech · 01-23-2005, 05:28 PM

This person has no shame and just never quits! Check out his auction title riding on the real wireless.com and then his image of the domain name that omits the dash.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

wisconsin · 01-23-2005, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by mole

The 50,000 uniques a day they claim is probably all bullshit, first love.

I think they have it listed as per month not per day:
"Currently this domain is generating more than 50,000 unique visitors per month with NO advertising or promotion."

Raf · 01-23-2005, 06:45 PM

Heh, I wonder who will actually win this auction... the bids are pretty high for such a great domain.

phptech · 01-23-2005, 07:30 PM

I'm wondering which one is the insider who will stop bidding just prior to reaching reserve

MissFlora · 01-23-2005, 07:37 PM

Prime domain collectors will be very interested in this one, though it is definitely a costly collection. *giggles* And mole you're right with the generic domain, I don't go to dog.com for dog supplies, most people will go to petsmart.com instead. Same for auctions, anyone go to auction.com instead of ebay.com?

Flora.

snoop · 01-23-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by MissFlora

Prime domain collectors will be very interested in this one, though it is definitely a costly collection. *giggles* And mole you're right with the generic domain, I don't go to dog.com for dog supplies, most people will go to petsmart.com instead. Same for auctions, anyone go to auction.com instead of ebay.com?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/66448-the-great-wireless-com-tussle.html

Flora.

so I guess you've never visited weather.com for weather info, classmates.com to find old school friends, or mp3.com for music.

MissFlora · 01-23-2005, 10:39 PM

Well, maybe once for each of them in near 10yrs of internet. But that's me. Maybe some others do visit those sites more than others. Not saying generic .com are useless or anything, but they are not as popular as branded sites IMHO. When you think about online auction, will auction.com comes first or ebay.com? Same for online payments, paypal.com or payment.com? All personal preferences and depends how long you've been using the internet I guess. Those who has been around for years will most likely know more about branded sites rather than newer internet users who have no clue what is ebay etc. I think that's how generic .com have so many type-ins.

Regards,
Flora.

equity78 · 01-23-2005, 10:41 PM

Never used any of snoops examples.

IdahoFarmer · 01-23-2005, 11:04 PM

I think both arguments are... ahem... a little silly. No disrespect intended.

We're talking about branded domains versus keyword domains. No matter which way you slice it, both types of domains can have significant value.

KEYWORD DOMAINS
I have visited weather.com, in fact I do so will relative frequency. MP3.com I'm not a personal fan of, but I am aware of its existence. Keyword domains also shine where a brand is not yet universally known. For example, if you needed widgets, and there was no brand match in your head, you'd either do a search or you'd try widgets.com. Many folks will try widgets.com first, to see if there is a "market leader" at the URL and if not begin the search. Will all users do this? No. But marketing are traffic is a game of numbers and percentages.

BRANDED DOMAINS
Auction.com? Never. When I think auction I head straight to eBay with the rest of the world. Branded domains are big business...

Again, I think both keyword and branded domains have significant value... can you tell me which "brand" you go to when you're looking for information on wireless networking/cell phones/pda's? There are several branded tech sites that you could have in your head right now, but none of them has a corner on the market like eBay or Amazon, etc. Given that this is the case, there is room for a keyword domain in this market IMHO.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448

Just my two cents.

MissFlora · 01-23-2005, 11:13 PM

Yes Idahofarmer, I do not deny there is no market for keyword domain. Like I stated earlier, always a market for branded sites and keyword sites. But more often, people visit "popular online sites" such as ebay.com. Btw, auction.com in my example is not a branded site, it will be under keyword site.

Flora.

Redleg · 01-24-2005, 01:06 AM

WE HAVE LOWERED THE RESERVE!!

Current bid: US $4,300,200.00 (Reserve not met)

And why is fsklgm (with 0 trader rating by the way) bidding $100,000 extra several times in a row with just a few seconds between the bids??
http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5746050248

snoop · 01-24-2005, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by MissFlora

Not saying generic .com are useless or anything, but they are not as popular as branded sites IMHO.

Does it make branded domains appealing in any way though?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448

If I live in the middle of the desert and end up building a successful business does that mean the desert is an ideal location for a business? Or have I done well for other reasons which have overcome the poor location of my business?

Originally Posted by IdahoFarmer

We're talking about branded domains versus keyword domains. No matter which way you slice it, both types of domains can have significant value.

I don't agree, I've never heard of a single "brand" type domain selling for 6 figures.

mole · 01-24-2005, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I don't agree, I've never heard of a single "brand" type domain selling for 6 figures.

That's because they sell for 9 figures and more

mole · 01-24-2005, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

I don't agree, I've never heard of a single "brand" type domain selling for 6 figures.

That's because they sell for more than 6 figures

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448

Is this going to be the biggest SHILL or biggest THRILL to start 2005? We'll see.

mole · 01-24-2005, 10:09 AM

Cancelled: US $4,300,100.00
Explanation: will not confirm bid, suspect fraudulant bidder

snoop · 01-24-2005, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by mole

That's because they sell for more than 6 figures

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448

Is this going to be the biggest SHILL or biggest THRILL to start 2005? We'll see.

what "brandable" domain has ever sold for more than 6 figures? I hope you're not going to start talking about developed sites, as that generally has nothing to do with domain values.

IdahoFarmer · 01-24-2005, 09:34 PM

A brand must be BUILT. It is not something that can just be created overnight. This process most often involves the parallel development of the brand through marketing and the development of the business. If you talk about branded domains, there most always will be a business behind it... or at least the good will of the business.

For example, KB Toys bought eToys.com for 3.4 million. This included all intellectual assets (not product) including the domain.

http://news.com.com/2100-1017-257853.html?legacy=cnet

snoop · 01-25-2005, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by IdahoFarmer

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448
For example, KB Toys bought eToys.com for 3.4 million. This included all intellectual assets (not product) including the domain.

http://news.com.com/2100-1017-257853.html?legacy=cnet

What does this have to do with brandable domains being valuable, for one "etoys.com" is a keyword domain, it isn't a made up term. Secondly the entire company was sold for $8 million after $164 million had been invested so its a pretty bad example of how to create value.

Badger · 01-25-2005, 03:58 AM

Bizarre....

Great domain name and 'truly' brandable but $1.7m ish 'reserve not met'.....

Whos this guy kidding...

In essence what were saying is '$1.75m for type in traffic of wireless.com'.. And thats worth this amount of money... ?

To start with the new owner would need to recoup $100k p/a minimum in order to better what theyd have gotten at the bank.....

phptech · 01-25-2005, 05:33 AM

Someday the word "wireless" will have lost its glimmer such as "horseless" when they began marketing cars. The owner is obviously in a financial position to take that risk. Shame though, another million dollar baby would of been nice.

RogueWriter · 01-25-2005, 07:06 AM

- - - - -
Well, maybe once for each of them in near 10yrs of internet
- - - - -

Ahhhhh, if only I could get 250 million people to visit my sites once over the next 10 years...... ( RW gets a dreamy look in his eyes )

01-23-2005, 10:49 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
mole Insectivora Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under Ground Posts: 2,164	The great Wireless.com tussle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW Who will it be, the Mocking Bird, or the King? More importantly, will they have the reserve to hit the reserve? I DON"T THINK SO. __________________ If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Sir Francis Bacon

01-23-2005, 10:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
Redleg Ultima Ratio Regum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up North Posts: 2,080	http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5746050248 Not a single word about this "auction" on www.wireless.com .. __________________ IP Whois + Geolocation\|Geolocate your IP\|Dynamic Forum Sigs <meta name="Jedi Mind Trick" content="Buy my domains, you will!">

01-23-2005, 11:07 AM	THREAD STARTER #4 (permalink)
mole Insectivora Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under Ground Posts: 2,164	Yeah, the original reserve I suspect was $5m and they saw things were going so slow, so brought it down to $2m. The 50,000 uniques a day they claim is probably all bullshit, people coming back for news and stuff, plus bots. I deal with wireless solutions, and the last thing I want is to blind type some stupid generic site to get what I want, a quick search on Google will tell you precisely who the leading companies and resources are. Why do you think the owner wants to ditch the name when things are supposed to boom (despite the chronic security problems this platform faces today)? The dotbomb mentality all over again, some people just can't get over their first love. __________________ If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Sir Francis Bacon Last edited by mole; 01-23-2005 at 11:10 AM.

01-23-2005, 07:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
MissFlora Epitome.Of.Pulchritude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,130	Prime domain collectors will be very interested in this one, though it is definitely a costly collection. giggles And mole you're right with the generic domain, I don't go to dog.com for dog supplies, most people will go to petsmart.com instead. Same for auctions, anyone go to auction.com instead of ebay.com? Flora. __________________ %%- 29th May NP Auction at 8pm EDT/5pm PDT/12am UTC %%- Drop-by when you are free: 1-after-1 NP$ .info Auction Toronto Summer 2011: Book NOW! \| For Sale: CrazyScript.com - comes with some traffic!

01-23-2005, 10:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
MissFlora Epitome.Of.Pulchritude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,130	Well, maybe once for each of them in near 10yrs of internet. But that's me. Maybe some others do visit those sites more than others. Not saying generic .com are useless or anything, but they are not as popular as branded sites IMHO. When you think about online auction, will auction.com comes first or ebay.com? Same for online payments, paypal.com or payment.com? All personal preferences and depends how long you've been using the internet I guess. Those who has been around for years will most likely know more about branded sites rather than newer internet users who have no clue what is ebay etc. I think that's how generic .com have so many type-ins. Regards, Flora. __________________ %%- 29th May NP Auction at 8pm EDT/5pm PDT/12am UTC %%- Drop-by when you are free: 1-after-1 NP$ .info Auction Toronto Summer 2011: Book NOW! \| For Sale: CrazyScript.com - comes with some traffic!

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01-23-2005, 11:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mark Hi :) Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NC Posts: 9,537	Doubt the exposure on ebay will be enough for the reserve , but who knows ? It's an Awesome domain - It should open some eyes of the firm "Ovt w/extension" Believers ~ Not as high as you might think ! - Still a great name .....

01-23-2005, 05:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
phptech NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 63	This person has no shame and just never quits! Check out his auction title riding on the real wireless.com and then his image of the domain name that omits the dash. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW

01-23-2005, 06:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Raf Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,744	Heh, I wonder who will actually win this auction... the bids are pretty high for such a great domain.

01-23-2005, 07:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
phptech NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 63	I'm wondering which one is the insider who will stop bidding just prior to reaching reserve

01-23-2005, 10:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
equity78 NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,639	Never used any of snoops examples.

01-23-2005, 11:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
IdahoFarmer mmm ... Pizza .... Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 335	I think both arguments are... ahem... a little silly. No disrespect intended. We're talking about branded domains versus keyword domains. No matter which way you slice it, both types of domains can have significant value. KEYWORD DOMAINS I have visited weather.com, in fact I do so will relative frequency. MP3.com I'm not a personal fan of, but I am aware of its existence. Keyword domains also shine where a brand is not yet universally known. For example, if you needed widgets, and there was no brand match in your head, you'd either do a search or you'd try widgets.com. Many folks will try widgets.com first, to see if there is a "market leader" at the URL and if not begin the search. Will all users do this? No. But marketing are traffic is a game of numbers and percentages. BRANDED DOMAINS Auction.com? Never. When I think auction I head straight to eBay with the rest of the world. Branded domains are big business... Again, I think both keyword and branded domains have significant value... can you tell me which "brand" you go to when you're looking for information on wireless networking/cell phones/pda's? There are several branded tech sites that you could have in your head right now, but none of them has a corner on the market like eBay or Amazon, etc. Given that this is the case, there is room for a keyword domain in this market IMHO. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=66448 Just my two cents. __________________ Idaho Farmer Will someone get me a pizza please? Last edited by IdahoFarmer; 01-23-2005 at 11:09 PM.

01-23-2005, 11:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
MissFlora Epitome.Of.Pulchritude Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,130	Yes Idahofarmer, I do not deny there is no market for keyword domain. Like I stated earlier, always a market for branded sites and keyword sites. But more often, people visit "popular online sites" such as ebay.com. Btw, auction.com in my example is not a branded site, it will be under keyword site. Flora. __________________ %%- 29th May NP Auction at 8pm EDT/5pm PDT/12am UTC %%- Drop-by when you are free: 1-after-1 NP$ .info Auction Toronto Summer 2011: Book NOW! \| For Sale: CrazyScript.com - comes with some traffic!

01-24-2005, 01:06 AM	#15 (permalink)
Redleg Ultima Ratio Regum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Up North Posts: 2,080	WE HAVE LOWERED THE RESERVE!! Current bid: US $4,300,200.00 (Reserve not met) And why is fsklgm (with 0 trader rating by the way) bidding $100,000 extra several times in a row with just a few seconds between the bids?? http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...tem=5746050248 __________________ IP Whois + Geolocation\|Geolocate your IP\|Dynamic Forum Sigs <meta name="Jedi Mind Trick" content="Buy my domains, you will!">

01-24-2005, 10:09 AM	THREAD STARTER #19 (permalink)
mole Insectivora Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Under Ground Posts: 2,164	Cancelled: US $4,300,100.00 Explanation: will not confirm bid, suspect fraudulant bidder __________________ If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Sir Francis Bacon

01-24-2005, 09:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
IdahoFarmer mmm ... Pizza .... Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 335	A brand must be BUILT. It is not something that can just be created overnight. This process most often involves the parallel development of the brand through marketing and the development of the business. If you talk about branded domains, there most always will be a business behind it... or at least the good will of the business. For example, KB Toys bought eToys.com for 3.4 million. This included all intellectual assets (not product) including the domain. http://news.com.com/2100-1017-257853.html?legacy=cnet __________________ Idaho Farmer Will someone get me a pizza please?

01-25-2005, 03:58 AM	#23 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	Bizarre.... Great domain name and 'truly' brandable but $1.7m ish 'reserve not met'..... Whos this guy kidding... In essence what were saying is '$1.75m for type in traffic of wireless.com'.. And thats worth this amount of money... ? To start with the new owner would need to recoup $100k p/a minimum in order to better what theyd have gotten at the bank.....

01-25-2005, 05:33 AM	#24 (permalink)
phptech NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 63	Someday the word "wireless" will have lost its glimmer such as "horseless" when they began marketing cars. The owner is obviously in a financial position to take that risk. Shame though, another million dollar baby would of been nice.

01-25-2005, 07:06 AM	#25 (permalink)
RogueWriter NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Smalltown USA Posts: 5,036	- - - - - Well, maybe once for each of them in near 10yrs of internet - - - - - Ahhhhh, if only I could get 250 million people to visit my sites once over the next 10 years...... ( RW gets a dreamy look in his eyes ) __________________ "I'm so mean I make MEDICINE sick." -Muhammad Ali

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