Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

InternetMoney · 11-02-2009, 03:00 PM

Web could run out of addresses next year, warn web experts

How will this effect domain values? Would those already existing have greater value? When does a domain name get an address? Is it necessary to at least park a domain?

sdomains · 11-02-2009, 03:25 PM

Should have no effect on domain values. This article is about shortages in IPv4 addresses, not domain names.

InsanerDomainer · 11-02-2009, 03:41 PM

Should have a negative effect on domain prices. A surplus of domain names with a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to. But I think this issue is already pretty well known, so it may already be priced in.

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 03:45 PM

I think domain prices in general will continue to decline for the next 24 months and beyond. This is due basically to dilution.

frankiethepet · 11-02-2009, 03:50 PM

They are working on ipv6 which will solve the problem.

sdomains · 11-02-2009, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by InsanerDomainer

Should have a negative effect on domain prices. A surplus of domain names with a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to. But I think this issue is already pretty well known, so it may already be priced in.

Well there will be an eventual complete transition to IPv6 which have a total of 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,768,211,45 6 addresses. We won't be running out of them anytime soon.

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

I think domain prices in general will continue to decline for the next 24 months and beyond. This is due basically to dilution.

Dilution?

Jake · 11-02-2009, 04:30 PM

I think he means the number of domains that are for sale.

The market is diluted.

I could be completely wrong though

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Dilution?

The total number of domains is increasing via drops and new TLDs while demand is staying relatively flat.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/620697-web-could-run-out-addresses-next.html

Here's a primer: Stock dilution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

InternetMoney · 11-02-2009, 05:26 PM

Could it be that because it will take time for most to have ipv6, that already existing domains will have greater value? New reg's will not be as valuable. So unless a domain is registered already and has one of the limited number of ip addresses, less people would want the new domain with ipv6.

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

The total number of domains is increasing via drops and new TLDs while demand is staying relativity flat.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

Here's a primer: Stock dilution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ahhh, I see. So you view "domains" as an aggregate sum, as if buying one domain is a share in a larger, collective equity of 'domains' in general?

Like, if someone registers e-business123.tel, that has a dillutive impact on business.com (and airplanes.com, and iAuction.com), much like Microsoft diluting equity by issuing new shares?

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MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Ahhh, I see. So you view "domains" as an aggregate sum, as if buying one domain is a share in a larger, collective equity of 'domains' in general?

Maybe if you spent less time idolizing male porn stars and more time studying economic theory you would understand.

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

Maybe if you spent less time idolizing male porn stars and more time studying economic theory you would understand.

LOL. If only you knew the background of the person you were talking to... It's the internet afterall, so it's pointless to do the "this is my resume" thing, but I can confidently say you are one clueless cat and understand 0.00% of what you're talking about.

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

LOL. If only you knew the background of the person you were talking to... It's the internet afterall, so it's pointless to do the "this is my resume" thing, but I can confidently say you are one clueless cat and understand 0.00% of what you're talking about.

If you don't mind me asking, what's the deal with your avatar? Trying to compensate for a tiny domain? LMAO.

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

If you don't mind me asking, what's the deal with your avatar? Trying to compensate for a tiny domain? LMAO.

Story behind the screen name....

Some time ago, a friend of mine bought a website, recognizing the potential it had. The developer/owner was a dumb kid who had accidentally stumbled into something great, but didn't have any clue how to mange it, so he listed it for sale and my friend bought it without negotiating a penny off the ask.

In short order, he unlocked the potential the site/concept had and it started to gain a great deal of relevance in it's niche. The kid who sold it was completely distraught, realizing how badly he had ****ed up by selling it for cheeseburgers. He went off the deep-end, posting stuff about my friend on forums, about how he had been 'cheated'... After he realized he wasn't going to get any sympathy from anyone for selling a webiste at his own full asking price then feeling 'cheated' because someone managed it better than he did, he started to slander my friend, posting completely untrue and very nasty stuff...

My friend just ignored it, but it took self control.

After a while, the kid had pretty much dedicated every waking moment of his life to annoying my friend... Phone calls, emails, forum posts- the whole nine. He was clearly a VERY unstable person, but we all got a kick out of the show he put on. Finally, my buddy had enough and responded by saying (paraphrase) "life sure isn't fair. You created the site, I bought the site and I got all the money, while you got peanuts. Some people go through life getting donged, while others go through life as the dongsman... In our relationship, we all know who's who..."

After that, he never heard from the kid again who completely dropped off the face of the earth, but the term "dongsman" really made us LOL and became a standard part of our vernacular. In time, whenever one of us booked a killer deal or really aced someone badly, we might be heard to say "I was the John ****ing Holmes of Dongsmen today...", ergo, the av.

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Story behind the screen name....

Some time ago, a friend of mine bought a website, recognizing the potential it had. The developer/owner was a clueless kid who had accidentally stumbled into something great, but didn't have any clue how to mange it, so he listed it for sale and my friend bought it without negotiating a penny off the ask.

In short order, he unlocked the potential the site/concept had and it started to gain a great deal of relevance in it's niche. The kid who sold it was completely distraught, realizing how badly he had ****ed up. He went off the deep-end, posting stuff about my friend on forums, about how he had been 'cheated'... After he realized he wasn't going to get any sympathy from anyone for selling a webiste at his own full asking price then feeling 'cheated' because someone managed it better than he did, he started to slander my friend, posting completely untrue and very nasty stuff...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

He just ignored it, but it took self control.

After a while, the kid had pretty much dedicated every waking moment of his life to annoying my friend... Phone calls, emails, forum posts- the whole nine. He was clearly a VERY unstable person, but we got a kick out of it. Finally, my buddy had enough and responded by saying "Yeah, life isn't fair. You created the site, I bought the site and I got all the money, while you got peanuts. Some people go through life getting donged, while others go through life as the dongsman... In our relationship, we now know who's who..."

He never heard from the kid again, who completely dropped off the face of the earth, but the term "dongsman" really made us LOL and became a standard part of our vernacular. In time, someone might say "I was the John ****ing Holmes of Dongsmen today...", ergo, the av.

Based on about 99% of your posts at Namepros, I'm going to take a wild guess and say you probably never considered that many young people read this forum. The avatar tells me more than you will ever know.

jdenwar · 11-02-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Story behind the screen name....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

Some time ago, a friend of mine bought a website, recognizing the potential it had. The developer/owner was a dumb kid who had accidentally stumbled into something great, but didn't have any clue how to mange it, so he listed it for sale and my friend bought it without negotiating a penny off the ask.

In short order, he unlocked the potential the site/concept had and it started to gain a great deal of relevance in it's niche. The kid who sold it was completely distraught, realizing how badly he had ****ed up. He went off the deep-end, posting stuff about my friend on forums, about how he had been 'cheated'... After he realized he wasn't going to get any sympathy from anyone for selling a webiste at his own full asking price then feeling 'cheated' because someone managed it better than he did, he started to slander my friend, posting completely untrue and very nasty stuff...

My friend just ignored it, but it took self control.

After a while, the kid had pretty much dedicated every waking moment of his life to annoying my friend... Phone calls, emails, forum posts- the whole nine. He was clearly a VERY unstable person, but we all got a kick out of the show he put on. Finally, my buddy had enough and responded by saying (paraphrase) "life sure isn't fair. You created the site, I bought the site and I got all the money, while you got peanuts. Some people go through life getting donged, while others go through life as the dongsman... In our relationship, we all know who's who..."

After that, he never heard from the kid again who completely dropped off the face of the earth, but the term "dongsman" really made us LOL and became a standard part of our vernacular. In time, whenever one of us booked a killer deal or really aced someone badly, we might be heard to say "I was the John ****ing Holmes of Dongsmen today...", ergo, the av.

Nice... man...

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by jdenwar

Nice... man...

Yeah, really nice.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

The next thing we'll see is someone using an Adolf Hitler avatar along with an inspirational story on the necessity of its use. IMO.

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

Yeah, really nice.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

The next thing we'll see is someone using an Adolf Hitler avatar along with an inspirational story on the necessity of its use. IMO.

Since you don't understand what constitutes dilution, here's something that even someone like you could understand.

Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Since you don't understand what constitutes dilution, here's something that even someone like you could understand.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nice read, very informative! Thanks.

Here's a self-help guide you might find useful:

Self Help for Richard

Jaco · 11-02-2009, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by MicroGuy

Nice read, very informative! Thanks.

Here's a self-help guide you might find useful:

Self Help for Richard

Now now now... Remember the Children .

MicroGuy · 11-02-2009, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Now now now... Remember the Children .

john_karr · 11-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

Story behind the screen name....

Some time ago, a friend of mine bought a website, recognizing the potential it had. The developer/owner was a dumb kid who had accidentally stumbled into something great, but didn't have any clue how to mange it, so he listed it for sale and my friend bought it without negotiating a penny off the ask.

In short order, he unlocked the potential the site/concept had and it started to gain a great deal of relevance in it's niche. The kid who sold it was completely distraught, realizing how badly he had ****ed up by selling it for cheeseburgers. He went off the deep-end, posting stuff about my friend on forums, about how he had been 'cheated'... After he realized he wasn't going to get any sympathy from anyone for selling a webiste at his own full asking price then feeling 'cheated' because someone managed it better than he did, he started to slander my friend, posting completely untrue and very nasty stuff...

My friend just ignored it, but it took self control.

After a while, the kid had pretty much dedicated every waking moment of his life to annoying my friend... Phone calls, emails, forum posts- the whole nine. He was clearly a VERY unstable person, but we all got a kick out of the show he put on. Finally, my buddy had enough and responded by saying (paraphrase) "life sure isn't fair. You created the site, I bought the site and I got all the money, while you got peanuts. Some people go through life getting donged, while others go through life as the dongsman... In our relationship, we all know who's who..."

After that, he never heard from the kid again who completely dropped off the face of the earth, but the term "dongsman" really made us LOL and became a standard part of our vernacular. In time, whenever one of us booked a killer deal or really aced someone badly, we might be heard to say "I was the John ****ing Holmes of Dongsmen today...", ergo, the av.

LMAO that a great story Dongsmen! What the name of your friends site if you don't mind me asking?

DubDubDubDot · 11-02-2009, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dongsman

if someone registers e-business123.tel, that has a dillutive impact on business.com (and airplanes.com, and iAuction.com), much like Microsoft diluting equity by issuing new shares?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOL.

Domain dilution isn't as obvious as stock dilution. It does exist, but in the form of a butterfly effect whereby someone is reasonably happy with the domain they've already got, so they don't bid up the price of a better domain.

It is very reasonable to say that a chain of events could begin with a noob registering e-business123.tel and end with Business.com selling for less than it otherwise would have. The more domains that are available, the greater the chance of this happening.

HappyBunny · 11-02-2009, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by InsanerDomainer

Should have a negative effect on domain prices. A surplus of domain names with a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to. But I think this issue is already pretty well known, so it may already be priced in.

- a surplus of domain names
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=620697
- a shortage of IP addresses to assign them to

They are not related. An IP address can be used to host any number of domain names.

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