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A friend of mine sent me a URL via Yahoo messenger. Naturally, I clicked on it. Lo & behold, I was there, at http://www.cdcovers.cc And... wait, kids... look at the extension. I JUST VISITED A DEVELOPED .CC SITE for what I can recall, the first time in my life. And she told me that this site was #1 on GOOGLE with the keyphrase 'cd covers.' Ya don't believe me? Look yourself: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=f&oq=&aqi=g10 So here is my question: How in the f*** did a .cc get to #1 on Google for a phrase that has over 2.5 MILLION results? I'm shocked enough to be seeing a developed .cc site. The #1-on-Google thing was just plain freaky.
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Edit: And somehow, it's #1 on Google for 'dvd covers' too. How can this be? Where is the logic? .cc isn't in any way powerful... so what gives?

chandan

there are lot other tld sites came at #1 for diff searches

whats the big issue if u see .cc at first position

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Archangel

That's true, of course. The "big issue" is simply that it's a .cc, a terrible extension that just about every professional can vouch is very undesireable. Just the fact that I visited a developed .cc is a shock (don't bother telling me of dozens of .cc sites you know of. For every .cc there might be 3-5-20 or whatever .org or .info). How it ranks at #1 for a term that has a few million search results is more so of the issue.

I was talking to my aforementioned friend, who's a pirate. She told me the following, which makes sense:

Sarah F: my theory is some dude came along that wanted to develop a cover site
Sarah F: well some asshole already took the cd cover .com stuff and wouldn't resell it for a reasonable amount cause they thought they were going to get more out of it
Sarah F: so the dude registered .cc and developed it and .com hasn't been developed yet
Sarah F: another thing, i believe it is illegal
Sarah F: correct me if I'm wrong, but having the .com would bring attention to the illegal activities wouldn't it?
Sarah F: xtremewrestlingtorrents, pwtorrents and piratebay all have .net/.org

She is not a domainer but as she points out:
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Sarah F: I'm a pirate at heart
Sarah F: I got lots of illegal logics about the downloading/ripping off world

But she goes on:

Sarah F: not if they get bombed with a big fat law suit
Sarah F: might be a guy that wanted to lay low, isn't .cc just as good if it develops and gets lots of traffic?

Sarah F: thing is too, cdcovers.cc
Sarah F: initals CC
Sarah F: cd covers


I've checked the .com & .net. Neither are developed. She was dead-on about a lotta things here. The point I was trying to raise is that the wimpy, no-need-to-even-exist .cc lanced #1 on Google for a keyphrase with a few million results. I can see why and how it got to #1 now, from my friend's logic (she's a college girl, smart as hell) . I cannot, however, supress the laugh I have thinking that the sucky .cc landed #1 on Google. Comes to show ya that as long as you have a stragedy, you can make .cc rank well.

copper

According to archive.org, cdcovers.cc had site on it since year 2000.
Tons of backlinks.
DMOZ listed
Yahoo Directory listed
PR3
Active Forums
Exact keywords within domain name itself.

And must be heavily SEO Optimized as well.

So, I don't see why you are surprised

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Archangel

You've done a bit more research than I had. From the domain's age and the fact that the .com isn't developed, that alone would have given a similar domain a fighting chance to get #1. It was a surprise seeing that it was a .cc. I guess .cc's CAN be of worth, after all.

raphnix

You can also see for an example some free blog hosted sites like from blogger and wordpress. If the owner of the blog is that good in optimizing his/her blog, you shouldn't wonder why most blogspot beat the self hosted ones.

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sdsinc

cdcovers.cc must be the only .cc I'm familiar with (haven't visited for ages though).
This one has been around for many years.

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.NEET

.com IS the horrible extension, unfortunately it was the first one so we're stuck with it.

And I'm sure there are a lots of developed .cc... here it took me 3 seconds to think of 3 of them:

bloglove.cc
twi.cc
fantasti.cc

Fka200

There are some big .cc out there, like mentioned above. It shouldn't be a surprise that a ".cc ranks #1"... you can do that with ANY TLD. If you're looking for search engine traffic, any TLD can rank. Some ccTLDs will gain ranking in respected Google local sites, so that's something to remember, also... but in general, you can get any TLD to #1.

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zoogo

Exactly. I dunno what all the hubbub is about. Its just letters, man.

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MattheP

Simply - it's the best cd&dvd covers site (biggest archive) with good supporting forum. Extension has nothing with that
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PS - I offered them my dvdcovers dot TV, but they were not interested

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Don

I'm never surprised when I see a random ext/cctld, or even a made up brandable domain, atop the google serps...
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Especially when the .com is owned by some clueless bloke who thinks that parking or tossing up some half-assed minisite is a reasonable way to take advantage of owning the .com.

If you were to take a look at the list of 6 figure + .com domain sales and google each one of the phrases - you'd probably see that a good percentage are outranked by completely random domains/exts, many of which don't even include the keywords at all.

A great .com, with equal development, will likely outrank that random .ext every time. But a great .com with sh*t development, doesn't stand a chance in the serps.

Thank god for domainers - they give everyone else the opportunity to make the real money - for a few bucks and change.

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This is true as can be. It was like, matbe 1-2am when I made this thread. Now that I'm awake with a lotta coffee, this doesn't seem as surprising to me as it did when I first posted. But I've never really viited a developed .cc (to my recollection) and seeing this as #1 on Google freaked me out. I don't know about the rest of you (those who've posted in this thread) but I've been here for 5 or so so years & have read many threads about how lowly & unusable .cc seems to be. So seeing a .cc rank so well threw me into a loop. I still won't invest in them but I have a bit more respect for the extension.

mwzd

Actually i've been saying this for a bit.
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A developed top level keyword in a crappy will outperform both, the same keyword in a 'better' tld that is parked, or a crappy keyword in a 'better' tld that is developed.

Just goes to show you why I'm an extension agnostic (see my blog for more)

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Wretch.cc, Alexa Top 100 site.

Not every internet user is domainer.

(But I assume every .cc webmaster wants .com for sure)

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MattheP

As I said before in this thread,high ranking of this site (Alexa: 2889) is due to its content, not extension. Probably it would be the same if it was .cx, ws, or whatever, and of course, .com would boost the traffic a little bit higher.

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If I own one of Alexa top 100 sites in .cc or any other extensions,
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I wouldn't care about .com

After all, what is domain exactly?
It's nothing more than address for the web site and Alexa top 100 sites
are already known address. So, why should I care unless I can have
.com for just few thousand dollars?

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Archangel

The extension wouldn't matter much if the site was an Alexa top 100 site. The extension would only hurt type-in traffic. (It'd be kinda hard to type in, say, computers.cx if you weren't aware that .cx even existed). But if ya have a site ranked that high, no care should really go into the extension since ppl have found the site SOMEHOW, right? SE's, type-in, whatever. Of course, getting the .com should be a priority so you won't risk losing traffic to it

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Yes, so why did you bother restating it? lol It was heard loud & clear the first time you said it.

Michael

Guess you've never used Daemon Tools... that's on a hyphenated .cc, lol. Really though, as Samit mentioned, search engines don't discriminate against the extension as much as you would think. There are some that are a haven for spammers because of the cost (such as .info), and it is a little harder to earn the search engine's trust, but otherwise it's all about the effort you put into making a quality site and your SEO abilities. I'd take a really strong keyword in a crap extension over mediocre keywords in .com any day (if I'm developing).

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Jaco

Just a guess here...

The site sells CD Covers... It has a .CC extension as a clever gimmick.

For whatever reason (probably because it was almost a decade ago and people didn't quite fully understand just how 'bottom tier' esoteric ccTLD's would eventually become) the site ops flew with their site hanging on a .cc extension and it's been running ever since. Given the substantial weight G gives to aged sites, they very well may be the most well aged and established site in their niche for their keywords, thus the extension isn't that big of a deal.
I don't think this is as much of a "Wow, look what a .cc can do!" as much as it is "look what a developed, well aged site was able to do over the past 10 years, regardless of the extension".
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While I'm pretty much a .com hardcore purist in most all ways (save for a few random purchases for fun), I think this goes to show that content is indeed king, but so is age. While starting a .cc site and running it for a decade on that extension might have been a winning formula in 2000, I don't know if it's such a good idea today.

netfleet

I don't agree with that at all.
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In fact I'd go as far to say that a .com will rank worse than certain extensions but never better:

1. For any given search on Google.com.au 9 out of the top 10 results will be .au results. So, in this case .au outranks .com
   
2. I just searched for "frogs tv". Two of the top ten results are .tv extensions. As I very, very rarely see .tv results, it suggests that Google takes into account the extension and gives extra weighting (it even bolds it just to show this is the case). In this case .tv outranks .com
   
3. I searched for "dogs info" and three of the top ten results are .info sites. As above, this suggests that in this

case .info outranks .com

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Don

I don't think you've said anything here that proves your theory or comes close to countering what I said...

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1.) Google.com Vs. Google.com.au

Site Comparison of google.com (rank #1), google.com.au (#5,185) | Compete

Not sure about you - but when it comes to SEO, I'm only going to care about one of the above - and it doesn't end in .au.

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2.) "Frogs TV"? Not one single person on the planet searches for that phrase according to google. So I won't even argue this one.

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3.) "Dogs Info"? Though I don't know anyone that would type "dogs info" into a search engine, it seems there are a whopping 590 global searches for the phrase each month on google.

So lets examine this outranking of the "phrase".com to compare development strategies etc...

Nevermind! DogsInfo.com doesn't resolve. No parked site, no minisite, nada. So the results for this phrase really do nothing to counter what I said at all either.

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I'm 100% up for hearing good arguments, backed by relevant stats, that counter what I said - but I feel you've missed the mark with the above.

And the following...

... is just plain crazy talk, imo.

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Mainstream and domaining professionals may look down upon it because you reg domains to sell them for a profit. But when it domes to a website, .com may still be favorable but not so much as it is in the domaining industry considering a lot of other factors. There are lots of people who love .cc, especially from non-English speaking countries in addition to the fact that plenty of good keywords and short ones are available under this tld.

I don't think there's anything odd about it. Also when it comes to internet marketing and SEO, no TLD is any superior to the others in google's point of view, not even .com.

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netfleet

Sorry why are we comparing Google websites? What has that got to do with the argument? I just gave a very clear (well I thought so but perhaps not clear enough for some ) example of an instance where the .au outranks the .com. If you didn't get it, I was referring to country specific websites... google.co.uk, google.de etc
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Actually I don't give a damn about appearing in Google.com. My products are generally aimed at Australians who use google.com.au. But again that's not relevant. Do you agree that I showed an example (albeit in the ever so lowly google.com.au website) where .au domains outrank .com domains? Yes or no?


Again you've completely missed the point!! I just picked the first random thing that came into my head & popped a tv on the end.

So because you don't like the example, you don't want to argue it?? Is this or is this not, another instance where a .tv extension outranks a .com? Again, a yes or no question

Errr... so what is dogsinfo.com doesn't resolve??? You've lost me!

All this example shows is that .info domains are batting above their weight in this search instance. Do you agree or not?

Well I gave you three very clear examples (however bizarre) to demonstrate cases where non com extensions appear to rank better than com.

Unless you can show that these examples are not valid (and ridiculing the examples doesn't do it) then your statement looks increasingly shaky.

If you do respond, please respond with reason & logic rather than saying things like "..... is just plain crazy talk, imo." I don't think any statement like that is really likely to win any argument, do you?

PS I was in SEO many years before domaining.

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