I Didn't Register it, Moniker Did

seven · 12-26-2008, 01:34 PM

I had been a proponent of searching for domains at Moniker because I always searched for domains there and never had a problem with a "suspicious" domain registration. That has changed.

I searched on Moniker for a specific job niche in the 7th largest city in the US on December 20th. I would have purchased the domain but I didn't have my passwords with me (on someone else's computer). The name went citynichejobs.com. On December 22, that domain was registered for the first time ever by this whois contact:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/545719-i-didnt-register-it-moniker-did.html

Name: Admin -

Organization: Oversee Research and Development, LLC

Email: admin@overseedomainmanagement.com
Address: 515 South Flower Street

Suite 4400

City, Province, Post Code: Los Angeles, California, 90071
Country: US
Phone: 1.2132653191

And for all of those who say this is an all out competition and I should have registered it if I really wanted it, fine I accept that. The concept is not lost on me. The purpose of this post is to tell others that Moniker will scan your search and register domains just like GoDaddy will.

If you think this may have been an innocent register, I'm sure another turnip truck will be along shortly.

sdsinc · 12-26-2008, 03:00 PM

citynichejobs.com is available right now. Is this a recent drop ? It might have been tasted as it dropped.

bmugford · 12-26-2008, 03:01 PM

I am pretty sure that is not the actual domain.

I think he means CityNicheJobs.com like ChicagoFireFighters.com

Brad

Originally Posted by sdsinc

citynichejobs.com is available right now. Is this a recent drop ? It might have been tasted as it dropped.

Timewarp · 12-26-2008, 03:18 PM

Maybe this is like what Network Solutions was caught doing where they register the name just to hold it for the searcher (and to prevent searcher from buying it from another registrar) ... sleazy but they weren't actually keeping the domains for themselves. Still not sure what the solution would be, maybe they drop it in 5 days.

floatingworld · 12-26-2008, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

I am pretty sure that is not the actual domain.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=545719

I think he means CityNicheJobs.com like ChicagoFireFighters.com

Brad

I must be missing something here....yes I must, never mind!

seven · 12-26-2008, 03:36 PM

Brad is correct. That is what I meant.

I actually emailed the admin and told them I knew they had regged it off my scan. I then offered $40 for it. No reply yet. I live in the city and the niche is the one I will be in so ironically I'm one of the few endusers who would actually buy it. It's not a huge deal though. As far as buying the domain to have and to hold, it's not like it's some great generic. Of all the domains I've searched there, I'm surprised this is the one they choose to grab.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=545719

Although now I have suspicious about another domain I searched that had an end user, well developed page four days later.

Originally Posted by Timewarp

Maybe this is like what Network Solutions was caught doing where they register the name just to hold it for the searcher (and to prevent searcher from buying it from another registrar) ... sleazy but they weren't actually keeping the domains for themselves. Still not sure what the solution would be, maybe they drop it in 5 days.

stub · 12-26-2008, 04:11 PM

Thats probably the worst thing you could have done. The domain was probably being tasted for 5 days. You could have registered it after that.

seven · 12-26-2008, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by stub

Thats probably the worst thing you could have done. The domain was probably being tasted for 5 days. You could have registered it after that.

I agree. Knee jerk reaction. A few seconds after I sent the email, I realized how stupid it was.

Auraka · 12-26-2008, 04:59 PM

Pretty crappy practice.....I wonder what Bari will say

daj · 12-26-2008, 06:23 PM

Lol...I had a large heated thread about this same topic months ago, maybe even a year ago.. on this forum..but it was deleted/banned by mods here..because Moniker himself came into the thread and said they don't pick up names that are searched for on their website... Honestly I wasn't for sure if Moniker.com's did it, because I looked up stuff on moniker/estibot/domaintools/and dynadot but oversee.net registered a handful of names I searched for that day..and didn't let them go for 5 days.
Their just testing them..luckily this isn't happening as much since some registrars have stopped domain tasting..

InternetMoney · 12-26-2008, 08:07 PM

Net Solutions did that, took 3 domains I was looking at, I registered them with them and got it.

Try registering it with them and see if they were simply holding it for you.

seven · 12-26-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by sportomoney

Lol...I had a large heated thread about this same topic months ago, maybe even a year ago.. on this forum..but it was deleted/banned by mods here..because Moniker himself came into the thread and said they don't pick up names that are searched for on their website... Honestly I wasn't for sure if Moniker.com's did it, because I looked up stuff on moniker/estibot/domaintools/and dynadot but oversee.net registered a handful of names I searched for that day..and didn't let them go for 5 days.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=545719
Their just testing them..luckily this isn't happening as much since some registrars have stopped domain tasting..

I'd like to see Moniker explain away registering this domain 2 days after I searched for it on their site and their site only. To me registrars shouldn't even be in the business of registering domains. I mean I can see if they would register domainregistration.com and point it to themselves, but other than that I think domaining shouldn't be in the registrar's repitoire. It too easily presents itself as a conflict of interest. That's aspirational though, right now I still feel as if we're in the wild, wild web.

Originally Posted by InternetMoney

Net Solutions did that, took 3 domains I was looking at, I registered them with them and got it.

Try registering it with them and see if they were simply holding it for you.

If that's their game plan, I wish they'd let me in on it.

thebutler · 12-26-2008, 08:37 PM

I would email Moniker directly and see if you get a response or call someone on the phone on Monday. Refer them to this thread on namepros. yes you're calling them out but heck you want that domain.

seven · 12-27-2008, 03:56 AM

What do you know, I check the recently deleted domains and guess what shows up. HAHAHA.

Peter · 12-27-2008, 07:32 AM

Unfortunately this is quite a common practice among many registrars. This is why you should find somewhere safe that you trust to do searches then and only then do the search on the registrar when you are going to buy.

This domain is most certainly being tasted at the moment. If there is little to no traffic it will be returned to the available domains.

*Tribulatio* · 12-27-2008, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

Unfortunately this is quite a common practice among many registrars. This is why you should find somewhere safe that you trust to do searches then and only then do the search on the registrar when you are going to buy.

Very right. My feeling is that some registrars don't indulge in that practice. I nearly always do my search for available names on Namecheap website, and I did never have any such problem.

Anyway, it is good to know that Moniker shouldn't be too trusted, thanks to Seven for sharing the experience here

Kaleidozone · 12-27-2008, 07:48 AM

I register most of mine at godaddy but I always make sure if what I want is available I buy it right then and there. I've never had a problem with godaddy, but I don't take any chances.

seven · 12-27-2008, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by Peter

Unfortunately this is quite a common practice among many registrars. This is why you should find somewhere safe that you trust to do searches then and only then do the search on the registrar when you are going to buy.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=545719

This domain is most certainly being tasted at the moment. If there is little to no traffic it will be returned to the available domains.

Exactly. I was under the impression Moniker was a safe zone. I've now moved Tribulatio's website of choice - NameCheap.

sdsinc · 12-27-2008, 09:00 AM

I often check expired names in bulk at Moniker when compiling my list of availables and never noticed anything suspect.

copper · 12-27-2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by seven

What do you know, I check the recently deleted domains and guess what shows up. HAHAHA.

Actually, for me, it's good practice.
I had about 40 domains expired and past redemption period.
I called support and got most of them back at regular renewal fees

louddrums · 12-27-2008, 04:38 PM

What I do to make it a pain in the ass at any registrar is to bulk check a big list of names but ONLY ONE is on the list that I mixed into that I really wanted to check. LOLOL they have to register ALL OF THEM if they want the ONE name that I was really checking.

If you do this at any registrar with a bulk check of fake domains and one real one in the list that you've really wanted, than you'll be safe...

Run the check ONCE so that you won't be seen as anxious

Auraka · 12-27-2008, 05:00 PM

Why would you search for domains at any registrar, www.iwhois.com works like a champ and have a strict policy against front running.

While I think the policy of front running is despicable I also think people need to use some common sense. I'm sure Bari will respond here in due time so lets not come to conclusions until we hear the other side of the story.

namelogic · 12-27-2008, 06:47 PM

try fabulous.com next time

thebutler · 12-27-2008, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by Auraka

Why would you search for domains at any registrar, www.iwhois.com works like a champ and have a strict policy against front running.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=545719

While I think the policy of front running is despicable I also think people need to use some common sense. I'm sure Bari will respond here in due time so lets not come to conclusions until we hear the other side of the story.

The problem could be farther down the line. Maybe someone is grabbing the data. Thats been discussed but I never saw any confirmation.

Thanks for the heads up on iwhois. I'll try that one.

I've been using who.is. Never seen any issues with the checks I've run.

jeffoverman · 12-27-2008, 10:33 PM

Perfectly happy at godaddy. Try them on names.

J

12-26-2008, 01:34 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
seven NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 951	I Didn't Register it, Moniker Did I had been a proponent of searching for domains at Moniker because I always searched for domains there and never had a problem with a "suspicious" domain registration. That has changed. I searched on Moniker for a specific job niche in the 7th largest city in the US on December 20th. I would have purchased the domain but I didn't have my passwords with me (on someone else's computer). The name went citynichejobs.com. On December 22, that domain was registered for the first time ever by this whois contact: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/545719-i-didnt-register-it-moniker-did.html Name: Admin - Organization: Oversee Research and Development, LLC Email: admin@overseedomainmanagement.com Address: 515 South Flower Street Suite 4400 City, Province, Post Code: Los Angeles, California, 90071 Country: US Phone: 1.2132653191 And for all of those who say this is an all out competition and I should have registered it if I really wanted it, fine I accept that. The concept is not lost on me. The purpose of this post is to tell others that Moniker will scan your search and register domains just like GoDaddy will. If you think this may have been an innocent register, I'm sure another turnip truck will be along shortly. __________________ UnderpricedDomains.com \| Domain Name Blog

12-26-2008, 03:18 PM	#4 (permalink)
Timewarp Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 1,030	Maybe this is like what Network Solutions was caught doing where they register the name just to hold it for the searcher (and to prevent searcher from buying it from another registrar) ... sleazy but they weren't actually keeping the domains for themselves. Still not sure what the solution would be, maybe they drop it in 5 days. __________________ Established Premium Games Domain For Sale

12-26-2008, 04:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
stub NamePros Expert Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,997	Thats probably the worst thing you could have done. The domain was probably being tasted for 5 days. You could have registered it after that. __________________ COMDots - DNDots - StubDomains - WebmasterUnlimited - DNSPortfolio

12-26-2008, 08:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
InternetMoney NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 123	Net Solutions did that, took 3 domains I was looking at, I registered them with them and got it. Try registering it with them and see if they were simply holding it for you. __________________ American Domain Market - New .COMs only $9.99 and other great prices.

12-26-2008, 08:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
thebutler Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,217	Contact Moniker I would email Moniker directly and see if you get a response or call someone on the phone on Monday. Refer them to this thread on namepros. yes you're calling them out but heck you want that domain. __________________ Test Internet Speed - Computer Freezes - Slow Internet Best site hosting - Slow computer - Internet speed check Cricut cartridges

12-26-2008, 03:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,558	citynichejobs.com is available right now. Is this a recent drop ? It might have been tasted as it dropped.

12-26-2008, 04:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Auraka NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 231	Pretty crappy practice.....I wonder what Bari will say

12-26-2008, 06:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
daj Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,092	Lol...I had a large heated thread about this same topic months ago, maybe even a year ago.. on this forum..but it was deleted/banned by mods here..because Moniker himself came into the thread and said they don't pick up names that are searched for on their website... Honestly I wasn't for sure if Moniker.com's did it, because I looked up stuff on moniker/estibot/domaintools/and dynadot but oversee.net registered a handful of names I searched for that day..and didn't let them go for 5 days. Their just testing them..luckily this isn't happening as much since some registrars have stopped domain tasting..

12-27-2008, 03:56 AM	THREAD STARTER #14 (permalink)
seven NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 951	What do you know, I check the recently deleted domains and guess what shows up. HAHAHA. __________________ UnderpricedDomains.com \| Domain Name Blog

12-27-2008, 07:32 AM	#15 (permalink)
Peter NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Scotland Posts: 5,069	Unfortunately this is quite a common practice among many registrars. This is why you should find somewhere safe that you trust to do searches then and only then do the search on the registrar when you are going to buy. This domain is most certainly being tasted at the moment. If there is little to no traffic it will be returned to the available domains. __________________ Manage your portfolio using my new Domain Portfolio Management script. Securing Your Domain Name From Theft

12-27-2008, 07:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
Kaleidozone NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Versailles, KY Posts: 693	I register most of mine at godaddy but I always make sure if what I want is available I buy it right then and there. I've never had a problem with godaddy, but I don't take any chances. __________________ PM for my LLLL.coms and .tvs for sale!

12-27-2008, 09:00 AM	#19 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,558	I often check expired names in bulk at Moniker when compiling my list of availables and never noticed anything suspect.

12-27-2008, 04:38 PM	#21 (permalink)
louddrums NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin Posts: 721	What I do to make it a pain in the ass at any registrar is to bulk check a big list of names but ONLY ONE is on the list that I mixed into that I really wanted to check. LOLOL they have to register ALL OF THEM if they want the ONE name that I was really checking. If you do this at any registrar with a bulk check of fake domains and one real one in the list that you've really wanted, than you'll be safe... Run the check ONCE so that you won't be seen as anxious __________________ Unplain.com

12-27-2008, 05:00 PM	#22 (permalink)
Auraka NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 231	Why would you search for domains at any registrar, www.iwhois.com works like a champ and have a strict policy against front running. While I think the policy of front running is despicable I also think people need to use some common sense. I'm sure Bari will respond here in due time so lets not come to conclusions until we hear the other side of the story.

12-27-2008, 06:47 PM	#23 (permalink)
namelogic New Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3	try fabulous.com next time

12-27-2008, 10:33 PM	#25 (permalink)
jeffoverman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,345	Perfectly happy at godaddy. Try them on names. J

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