some newbs don't think logically

biggie · 10-12-2008, 08:15 AM

i saw a posting in domains wanted thread, in response to the OP's request.

the member posted his name, along with an estibot appraisal.

the appraisal value is "LOWER" than his asking price.

so, if i'm the buyer, why would i even consider paying MORE than what estibot has apppraised the name for?

not that estibot's values mean anything to me personally....i just don't see the rationalization for using it....especially when you obviously don't know how to apply it in an advertisement.

what you think?

duceman · 10-12-2008, 08:22 AM

I don't think this is a newbie issue as much as a common sense issue

-REECE- · 10-12-2008, 08:22 AM

Biggie, you made by day

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/523277-some-newbs-dont-think-logically.html

Doesn't make much sense to quote Estibot unless it appraises it for a number greater than you're selling it for...

I've seen some experienced domainers quote it when selling domains -- I guess you could call it a "sales tactic". Personally, I feel that's pretty much borderline scamming when you know better than to trust the automated appraisal but quote it anyway because it reports a favorable number.

Originally Posted by biggie

i saw a posting in domains wanted thread, in response to the OP's request.

the member posted his name, along with an estibot appraisal.

the appraisal value is "LOWER" than his asking price.

so, if i'm the buyer, why would i even consider paying MORE than what estibot has apppraised the name for?

not that estibot's values mean anything to me personally....i just don't see the rationalization for using it....especially when you obviously don't know how to apply it in an advertisement.

what you think?

MicroGuy · 10-12-2008, 09:55 AM

^^^ Yeah, what he said ^^^

( Reece, you've got some serious ribbon'ege dude. Bada Bling. Sweet. )

** micro experiences awkward feeling of inadequacy ***

sdsinc · 10-12-2008, 11:37 AM

If you need an estibot guesstimate to pitch your domains, are they so good in the first place... I doubt.
I mean only the noobs would base their purchase decisions on estibot figures anyway

shockie · 10-14-2008, 02:08 AM

haha maybe they're trying to use reverse psychology...

weblord · 10-14-2008, 02:11 AM

could be treated as estibot as the low end value and the owner's price as high end value, estibot does approximations and not the over-all tool it needs to be combined with owner's decision as well.

has2hands · 10-14-2008, 04:13 AM

Glad you guys opened up my eyes to this scam!

From now on, I will stop paying estibot prices and the higher prices that owner's want! man, was I being taken advantage of!

This knowledge will save me thousands!

On less sucker in this world!

Thanks,
Paul

IAmAllanShore · 10-14-2008, 08:41 AM

Meh.

It would depend on the context,

If someone uses Estibot to show that their 3 character.com appraises at $1,700 to show it is in the $x,xxx for some reason, and then asks $2,100 - no harm, no foul - just using estibot to legitimize the price range requested.

If, however, the appraisal is $5 and then they ask $900, well, that would be rather incongruous.

-Allan

Spade · 10-14-2008, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by has2hands

Glad you guys opened up my eyes to this scam!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=523277

From now on, I will stop paying estibot prices and the higher prices that owner's want! man, was I being taken advantage of!

This knowledge will save me thousands!

On less sucker in this world!

Thanks,
Paul

Is this Sarcasm I detect?

labrocca · 10-14-2008, 12:47 PM

I am not sure that using estibot in your sales thread is a stupid move. I personally use it a lot now when checking a domain. What would be cool? Is whenever a domain was posted in sales thread...links were auto created for estibot, whois, archive.org, google PR, and SE links. A tag like [domain]witza.com[/domain] could spark the whole thing.

HBK216 · 10-14-2008, 01:53 PM

If I see someone using Estibot to justify their price, I will simply go elsewhere. If you need a 3rd party automated system to help justify your sales price, your name is not worth my time.

zabijaq · 10-14-2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by duceman

I don't think this is a newbie issue as much as a common sense issue

Exactly.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=523277

Estibot likes to overprice.
BTW another quite good free appraisal is dnscoop.com but it multiplies some base price with backlinks (yahoo bl checker which count any text in sites, not links).

This way, statcounter.com has 435,000,000$ which is quite funny when they appraise google.com for 1,184,000,000$

Len · 10-14-2008, 02:14 PM

I don't think there is any harm in putting the estibot stats into a sales thread for informational purposes. Just leave out the valuation!

Ja$on · 10-14-2008, 02:15 PM

I like to use estibot for the overture/wordtracker/linkbacks/PR and to see which other TLD's are taken. The appraisal piece I couldn't care less about but these other numbers do help.

Add on archive.org and I would love it even more.

Michael · 10-14-2008, 02:22 PM

Sorry, but I've seen Estibot appraise at under what a domain is worth, especially when it doesn't detect the keywords properly and you don't capitalize them. People seem to think Estibot valuations are ALWAYS way over the true value, and they aren't... sometimes it is way low.

Anyway, basing the price off the Estibot valuation is silly, whether it is above or below it.

shinysign · 10-14-2008, 07:37 PM

I agree, estibot likes to either overprice, sometimes it has no idea what it is talking about and estimates at $10

I can't wait for them to come out with esticyborg, a half human half robot creature capable of accurately estimating domains.

-REECE- · 10-14-2008, 07:40 PM

There's hope for the domaining community: http://www.leapfish.com/

Originally Posted by shinysign

I agree, estibot likes to either overprice, sometimes it has no idea what it is talking about and estimates at $10

I can't wait for them to come out with esticyborg, a half human half robot creature capable of accurately estimating domains.

IAmAllanShore · 10-14-2008, 07:58 PM

Should just bow-out, but really, do we care what people put in their ads/forum postings? I do not.

Anything folks post in for-sale ads is a bonus as far as I am concerned, even if it is an appraisal whose validity might be questionable, since if you understand the metrics that go into those automated appraisals it may bring your attention to an aspect of a domain you would have otherwise missed, no?

Just seems like a non-issue to me; we've all been "new" and we've all done silly things at one point or another, and if posting an estibot appraisal in a for-sale ad is the dumbest thing I do today I will count myself among the very fortunate.

I'm adding a signature line,
-Allan

firefly · 10-14-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by www.LLLL.com

There's hope for the domaining community: http://www.leapfish.com/

LOL...that's just tragic.

buckshotdots · 10-15-2008, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Ja$on

I like to use estibot for the overture/wordtracker/linkbacks/PR and to see which other TLD's are taken. The appraisal piece I couldn't care less about but these other numbers do help.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=523277

Add on archive.org and I would love it even more.

Exactly Ja$on, Estibot is good for a snapshop eg- OVT/wordtracker etc etc. I use that when selling sometimes. I never use the price.

As for archive it indirectly links to it (Alexa link then 'see how it looked in the past').

g-

labrocca · 10-15-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Should just bow-out, but really, do we care what people put in their ads/forum postings? I do not.

Anything folks post in for-sale ads is a bonus as far as I am concerned, even if it is an appraisal whose validity might be questionable, since if you understand the metrics that go into those automated appraisals it may bring your attention to an aspect of a domain you would have otherwise missed, no?

Just seems like a non-issue to me; we've all been "new" and we've all done silly things at one point or another, and if posting an estibot appraisal in a for-sale ad is the dumbest thing I do today I will count myself among the very fortunate.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=523277

I'm adding a signature line,
-Allan

Exactly! I mean...how often do you see an oddball name and before buying you check tons of your resources to ensure value? You should be smart enough to know what Estibot does and how accurate it is (or not). But it's still helpful. If Estibot says something is worth regfee...solid chance that's what it's worth. Anyone going to object to that?

PokerPie · 10-15-2008, 11:47 AM

obviously estibot is way off base on a lot of stuff but you guys dont even check it at all when making decisions? for example if estibot says a domain is reg fee it usually sucks pretty bad. and if some weird word pops up as $5k it usually means something in another language. also good for the traffic stats/estimates.

by no means is it a price guide but i always pop potential buys into it and see what it says as a place to start off with. especially when working with huge numbers of domains. toss 500 names into the bulk search tool and it is pretty solid at weeding out the garbage for you and giving you a short list to take a closer look at.

-REECE- · 10-15-2008, 11:49 AM

Yeah completely agree Jesse. Estibot, at least from what I've seen using it, doesn't under-appraise domains near as much as over-appraise them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=523277

Nothing compares to Leapfish (RIP) for having made me feel like a billionaire!

Originally Posted by labrocca

Exactly! I mean...how often do you see an oddball name and before buying you check tons of your resources to ensure value? You should be smart enough to know what Estibot does and how accurate it is (or not). But it's still helpful. If Estibot says something is worth regfee...solid chance that's what it's worth. Anyone going to object to that?

***EG.domains*** · 10-15-2008, 12:14 PM

I don't use Estibot appraisals and I don't give it any weight when buying/selling domains.

I might quote one or more of (Google Results, WordTracker Score, Strong back links, similar recent sales, traffic stats) in my sales.

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10-12-2008, 09:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
MicroGuy Miembro Especial Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Fourth Density Posts: 6,831	^^^ Yeah, what he said ^^^ ( Reece, you've got some serious ribbon'ege dude. Bada Bling. Sweet. ) micro experiences awkward feeling of inadequacy * __________________ ...... Astral Projectors Do It In A Vortex! Last edited by MicroGuy; 10-12-2008 at 10:00 AM.

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weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,784	could be treated as estibot as the low end value and the owner's price as high end value, estibot does approximations and not the over-all tool it needs to be combined with owner's decision as well. __________________ Nabaza.com - Amaia

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10-12-2008, 08:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
duceman Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Indy Posts: 2,270	I don't think this is a newbie issue as much as a common sense issue

10-14-2008, 04:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
has2hands NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 992	Glad you guys opened up my eyes to this scam! From now on, I will stop paying estibot prices and the higher prices that owner's want! man, was I being taken advantage of! This knowledge will save me thousands! On less sucker in this world! Thanks, Paul

10-14-2008, 08:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	Meh. It would depend on the context, If someone uses Estibot to show that their 3 character.com appraises at $1,700 to show it is in the $x,xxx for some reason, and then asks $2,100 - no harm, no foul - just using estibot to legitimize the price range requested. If, however, the appraisal is $5 and then they ask $900, well, that would be rather incongruous. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

10-14-2008, 12:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
labrocca NamePros Expert Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,268 Follow @supportforums	I am not sure that using estibot in your sales thread is a stupid move. I personally use it a lot now when checking a domain. What would be cool? Is whenever a domain was posted in sales thread...links were auto created for estibot, whois, archive.org, google PR, and SE links. A tag like [domain]witza.com[/domain] could spark the whole thing. __________________ :$: Support Forum <-- My latest endeavor.:loveyou: Debate Forums Free Online Sudoku My vBum Blog

10-14-2008, 01:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
HBK216 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,120	If I see someone using Estibot to justify their price, I will simply go elsewhere. If you need a 3rd party automated system to help justify your sales price, your name is not worth my time. __________________ I've been the man before anyone knew what being the man was all about!

10-14-2008, 02:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
Len dot TV'er Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,645	I don't think there is any harm in putting the estibot stats into a sales thread for informational purposes. Just leave out the valuation!

10-14-2008, 02:15 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ja$on Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,854	I like to use estibot for the overture/wordtracker/linkbacks/PR and to see which other TLD's are taken. The appraisal piece I couldn't care less about but these other numbers do help. Add on archive.org and I would love it even more.

10-14-2008, 02:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
Michael DNMedia.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,842	Sorry, but I've seen Estibot appraise at under what a domain is worth, especially when it doesn't detect the keywords properly and you don't capitalize them. People seem to think Estibot valuations are ALWAYS way over the true value, and they aren't... sometimes it is way low. Anyway, basing the price off the Estibot valuation is silly, whether it is above or below it. __________________ MiniSites.com - Shift Your Domains Out of Park! DN Media Corporation \| Friend Me on Facebook \| Follow Me on Twitter

10-14-2008, 07:37 PM	#17 (permalink)
shinysign NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 54	I agree, estibot likes to either overprice, sometimes it has no idea what it is talking about and estimates at $10 I can't wait for them to come out with esticyborg, a half human half robot creature capable of accurately estimating domains.

10-14-2008, 07:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	Should just bow-out, but really, do we care what people put in their ads/forum postings? I do not. Anything folks post in for-sale ads is a bonus as far as I am concerned, even if it is an appraisal whose validity might be questionable, since if you understand the metrics that go into those automated appraisals it may bring your attention to an aspect of a domain you would have otherwise missed, no? Just seems like a non-issue to me; we've all been "new" and we've all done silly things at one point or another, and if posting an estibot appraisal in a for-sale ad is the dumbest thing I do today I will count myself among the very fortunate. I'm adding a signature line, -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

10-15-2008, 11:47 AM	#23 (permalink)
PokerPie Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 289	obviously estibot is way off base on a lot of stuff but you guys dont even check it at all when making decisions? for example if estibot says a domain is reg fee it usually sucks pretty bad. and if some weird word pops up as $5k it usually means something in another language. also good for the traffic stats/estimates. by no means is it a price guide but i always pop potential buys into it and see what it says as a place to start off with. especially when working with huge numbers of domains. toss 500 names into the bulk search tool and it is pretty solid at weeding out the garbage for you and giving you a short list to take a closer look at. Last edited by PokerPie; 10-15-2008 at 11:54 AM.

10-15-2008, 12:14 PM	#25 (permalink)
*EG.domains* GenericDomainMarket.com Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,801	I don't use Estibot appraisals and I don't give it any weight when buying/selling domains. I might quote one or more of (Google Results, WordTracker Score, Strong back links, similar recent sales, traffic stats) in my sales. __________________ ► Generic & Premium Domains for sale!

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