Can PayPal Mass payments be reversed?

italiandragon · 07-06-2008, 08:40 AM

Sorry guys but another buyer now is offering me to pay me by PayPal Mass Pay.

Somewhere I think I read they could not be reversed, unlike normal payments where chargebacks are easy to make.

IS that true? Is my payment safe once I get it in that way?

Thanks

bilawal360 · 07-06-2008, 08:41 AM

Isn't PayPal Mass Pay just paying multiple clients at one time? It's no difference. I may not be correct so confirm it with someone who knows it properly.

Earthian · 07-06-2008, 09:16 AM

since MassPay can be funded only by PayPal balance and not credit card , there can be no credit card chargeback

there is a concern to what happens ...

if the funds are sent from a stolen PayPal account

if the funds in the PayPal balance where transferred from a stolen PayPal account (a scammer moves money from a stolen account to his own and then to the seller) ... would PayPal investigate "2-accounts-deep" and freeze/return the money ?

if the funds in the PayPal balance where paid/transferred from another PayPal account that used a stolen credit card to make the charge

I think in general PayPal investigates many layers/accounts deep until it finds the "rotten apple" (ie the stolen account or stolen card) and sometimes reverses all charges ... but what will actuallly happen is on a case-to-case basis

in general though , MassPay is safer since it needs a bigger complexity of a scam to be "orchestrated" (ie stolen PayPal account (or stolen CC) instead of just a call to the bank for a chargeback)

what I do sometimes for small amount sales is say that there will be a 5-day (or 7-day) delay after payment for the transfer of the domain

this gives some time for a stolen credit card chargeback to come-forward or a stolen PayPal account holder to complain (in which case I don't transfer the domain)

but , as you understand , there are many cases that a stolen account/CC can go unnoticed for many more days ... but at least waiting for 5/7 days covers for some of the cases

HuntingMoon · 07-06-2008, 06:25 PM

as the previous poster says, the delay is a good safeguard.

the best part about mass pay is the drastically lower fees, more than the security.

there will always be risk accepting payments, even with wire transfers (we had an unfortunate episode on an ach payment received recently even).

weblord · 07-06-2008, 06:31 PM

anyone with premier or business status can do mass pay but it still refundable
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=LxxR1cLYL76hPj4L09gln1g2TBfzZn 21BmpnHLFMwjPylSGJGzML!1502751412?_dyncharset=UTF-8&t=searchTab&dosearch=true&locale=en_US&_dynchars et=UTF-8&countrycode=PH&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9006&sea rchstring=mass+pay&SearchButton=Search
https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=LxxR1cLYL76hPj4L09gln1g2TBfzZn 21BmpnHLFMwjPylSGJGzML!1502751412?locale=en_US&_dy ncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=PH&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9006&t=s olutionTab&ft=searchTab&ps=solutionPanels&solution Id=11163&isSrch=Yes

JMJ · 07-06-2008, 06:42 PM

I've been requesting that payments be made to us via Mass pay. Most people you'll find to have business accounts and the savings in fee's adds up quickly. And I've been finding by requesting this buyers that couldn't send it that way end up adding enough to cover the fees.

italiandragon · 07-08-2008, 07:28 AM

Thanks everyone.

Ok, so Mass Pay is not safe.

How about the buyer opens a dispute and then closes it , then he pays me.

I read that a buyer can`t open the same dispute twice.

But how exactly needs to be done and what does he need to write or do?

Please explain like if I was a baby....step by step.

Cheers

weblord · 07-08-2008, 09:13 PM

propose to the buyer a payment method that you're familiar with and that will be safer for you. im not sure about the dispute i've not done it before and also i never received any.

07-06-2008, 08:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	Can PayPal Mass payments be reversed? Sorry guys but another buyer now is offering me to pay me by PayPal Mass Pay. Somewhere I think I read they could not be reversed, unlike normal payments where chargebacks are easy to make. IS that true? Is my payment safe once I get it in that way? Thanks __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

07-06-2008, 09:16 AM	#3 (permalink)
Earthian NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 867 344.70 NP$ (Donate)	since MassPay can be funded only by PayPal balance and not credit card , there can be no credit card chargeback there is a concern to what happens ... if the funds are sent from a stolen PayPal account if the funds in the PayPal balance where transferred from a stolen PayPal account (a scammer moves money from a stolen account to his own and then to the seller) ... would PayPal investigate "2-accounts-deep" and freeze/return the money ? if the funds in the PayPal balance where paid/transferred from another PayPal account that used a stolen credit card to make the charge I think in general PayPal investigates many layers/accounts deep until it finds the "rotten apple" (ie the stolen account or stolen card) and sometimes reverses all charges ... but what will actuallly happen is on a case-to-case basis in general though , MassPay is safer since it needs a bigger complexity of a scam to be "orchestrated" (ie stolen PayPal account (or stolen CC) instead of just a call to the bank for a chargeback) what I do sometimes for small amount sales is say that there will be a 5-day (or 7-day) delay after payment for the transfer of the domain this gives some time for a stolen credit card chargeback to come-forward or a stolen PayPal account holder to complain (in which case I don't transfer the domain) but , as you understand , there are many cases that a stolen account/CC can go unnoticed for many more days ... but at least waiting for 5/7 days covers for some of the cases __________________ worldonics .com domains for global brands Last edited by Earthian; 07-06-2008 at 09:24 AM.

07-06-2008, 06:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
HuntingMoon Join our Mailer! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 976 754.00 NP$ (Donate)	as the previous poster says, the delay is a good safeguard. the best part about mass pay is the drastically lower fees, more than the security. there will always be risk accepting payments, even with wire transfers (we had an unfortunate episode on an ach payment received recently even). __________________ HuntingMoon Twitter Essociate PDDW.com Pending Delete Domain Watcher Tomorrow's Hand Picked Drops (Free)

07-08-2008, 07:28 AM	#7 (permalink)
italiandragon NamePros Expert Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: AUSTRALIA Posts: 5,734 140.00 NP$ (Donate)	Thanks everyone. Ok, so Mass Pay is not safe. How about the buyer opens a dispute and then closes it , then he pays me. I read that a buyer can`t open the same dispute twice. But how exactly needs to be done and what does he need to write or do? Please explain like if I was a baby....step by step. Cheers __________________ Great quality LLLL.coms : OPPB.com / MMCP.com / IFUV.com 100+ great LLLL.com for CHEAP SALE, make your offer NOW! >>CLICK HERE<<

07-06-2008, 08:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
bilawal360 Account Closed Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4 0.00 NP$ (Donate)	Isn't PayPal Mass Pay just paying multiple clients at one time? It's no difference. I may not be correct so confirm it with someone who knows it properly.

07-06-2008, 06:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,840 21,700.43 NP$ (Donate)	anyone with premier or business status can do mass pay but it still refundable https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=LxxR1cLYL76hPj4L09gln1g2TBfzZn 21BmpnHLFMwjPylSGJGzML!1502751412?_dyncharset=UTF-8&t=searchTab&dosearch=true&locale=en_US&_dynchars et=UTF-8&countrycode=PH&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9006&sea rchstring=mass+pay&SearchButton=Search https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp;jsessionid=LxxR1cLYL76hPj4L09gln1g2TBfzZn 21BmpnHLFMwjPylSGJGzML!1502751412?locale=en_US&_dy ncharset=UTF-8&countrycode=PH&cmd=_help&serverInstance=9006&t=s olutionTab&ft=searchTab&ps=solutionPanels&solution Id=11163&isSrch=Yes

07-06-2008, 06:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
JMJ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,834 263.00 NP$ (Donate)	I've been requesting that payments be made to us via Mass pay. Most people you'll find to have business accounts and the savings in fee's adds up quickly. And I've been finding by requesting this buyers that couldn't send it that way end up adding enough to cover the fees.

07-08-2008, 09:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,840 21,700.43 NP$ (Donate)	propose to the buyer a payment method that you're familiar with and that will be safer for you. im not sure about the dispute i've not done it before and also i never received any.

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