Volkswagen allowed to register VW.de

sdsinc · 06-29-2008, 04:30 PM

Seen this on Dominik Mueller's blog:

Quote:

Frankfurt-based domain registry Denic does not allow the registration of two-letter .de domain names. But German carmaker Volkswagen has always wanted to own VW.de, because the company is widely known under this acronym and thus wants to protect its brand on the Internet.

That’s why Volkswagen has recently sued Denic for the domain. The Frankfurt court now entitled Volkswagen to VW.de and said Denic would have to make the domain name available to the carmaker.

There are only few exceptions to the blocking of two-letter .de domains, namely ix.de, hq.de and Deutsche Bahn’s DB.de. All of these domains were registered many years ago when the Internet was still in its infancy.
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Personally I don't like it when the big corporations try to bend the rules to their advantage

treebytheriver · 06-29-2008, 04:32 PM

Intersting, thanks for posting. I guess money talks and money always wins.

Pred · 06-29-2008, 04:32 PM

but they own vw.com

why would they care so much?
bullying again!

weblord · 06-29-2008, 05:09 PM

well anyways nobody wants to register that and messed up with volkswagen.

Hurley4540 · 06-29-2008, 06:26 PM

Money = Power

Mike · 06-29-2008, 07:51 PM

It's not like anyone could have registered the domain since it's locked for registration. It's yet again a display how corrupt the systems are when someone with deep pockets shows up.
The whole "we need to protect our identity" is utter nonsense in this case.
Appalling...really.

M.

Jeff · 06-29-2008, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by arnie

but they own vw.com
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why would they care so much?
bullying again!

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-Jeff

raredn.com · 06-29-2008, 08:24 PM

Because VW is based in Germany and 'originally' all vw cars were built in Germany, they want the country code for Germany .de, I guess being the most popular country code domain extension in the world makes it desirable also, or is that .co.uk, think .de is number one country code extension unless I am mistaken

James · 06-29-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It's not like anyone could have registered the domain since it's locked for registration. It's yet again a display how corrupt the systems are when someone with deep pockets shows up.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=487449
The whole "we need to protect our identity" is utter nonsense in this case.
Appalling...really.

M.

Agreed, its shocking that companies can throw around money and pay off a ccTLD to register them something that's not even available for the public to register.

liquidcherry · 06-29-2008, 08:47 PM

Well reading this, i bet it will just take days until lufthansa snatches lh.de.....:-)

it is a shame, no doubt but....if you would be a registrar, wouldn't you bend your rules sometimes when the big bucks could flow towards your bankaccount? :-)

Cheers

Frank

Mike · 06-29-2008, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by liquidcherry

Well reading this, i bet it will just take days until lufthansa snatches lh.de.....:-)
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it is a shame, no doubt but....if you would be a registrar, wouldn't you bend your rules sometimes when the big bucks could flow towards your bankaccount? :-)

Cheers

Frank

absolutely 100% not. the corporate message that's being sent, not even considering the message that's being sent to the public, is degrading any kind of business relation that denic has built to a third rate joke.
Unfortunately, the judge that passed the ruling that denic HAS to register vw.de for VolksWagen is setting the precedent that any company with deep enough pockets can now do the same, which in turn creates a playing field that's anything but fair, leveled, equal and reasonable.
this, in combination with ICANN's money mongering crusade and Yahoo dismissing their identity is throwing a few very big question marks onto the domain industry.

M.

liquidcherry · 06-29-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

absolutely 100% not. the corporate message that's being sent, not even considering the message that's being sent to the public, is degrading any kind of business relation that denic has built to a third rate joke.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=487449
Unfortunately, the judge that passed the ruling that denic HAS to register vw.de for VolksWagen is setting the precedent that any company with deep enough pockets can now do the same, which in turn creates a playing field that's anything but fair, leveled, equal and reasonable.
this, in combination with ICANN's money mongering crusade and Yahoo dismissing their identity is throwing a few very big question marks onto the domain industry.

M.

good points here mike but one question pops right up in my scattered brain....why restrict the regging of LL in the first place if not for money purposes.........:-)

Cheers

Frank

James · 06-29-2008, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by liquidcherry

good points here mike but one question pops right up in my scattered brain....why restrict the regging of LL in the first place if not for money purposes.........:-)
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Cheers

Frank

I don't think Mike could really answer this, Its up to the .DE registry...

whitebark · 06-29-2008, 10:34 PM

Goes with their vw.ca

VisionEdger · 06-29-2008, 11:03 PM

vw was started by a nazi. who is involved in the new world order?? who has a major agenda other than autos and coffe makers (Krupp) ? the internet? da. look at the BIGGER picture folks. Its NOT just a car company and its NOT just $$$ that talks!

DomainMayhem.com · 06-29-2008, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

It's not like anyone could have registered the domain since it's locked for registration. It's yet again a display how corrupt the systems are when someone with deep pockets shows up.
The whole "we need to protect our identity" is utter nonsense in this case.
Appalling...really.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=487449

M.

My thoughts exactly. There was absolutely no reason why they had to "protect" their brand-the name wasn't available to anyone. Quite disgusting.

rocka · 06-30-2008, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by liquidcherry

... but one question pops right up in my scattered brain....why restrict the regging of LL in the first place if not for money purposes.........:-)

Frank, registering CC or LL.de was once allowed right at the beginning of the .de TLD.
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4 companies were able to reg LL.de domains just before denic found out it was causing technical difficulties with the used DNS resolver software.. They then restricted .de to minimum 3 characters. The already registered 4 domains were allowed to stay: db.de, ix.de, hq.de and bb.de, which is still in the whois but not connected. The owner preffers to use bilfingerberger.de

Maybe too many domainers got on their nerves hehe..

Pred · 06-30-2008, 09:46 AM

maybe RJ should go get np.de?

buckshotdots · 06-30-2008, 11:36 PM

I want my initials - GO !

g-

liquidcherry · 07-01-2008, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by rocka

Frank, registering CC or LL.de was once allowed right at the beginning of the .de TLD.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=487449
4 companies were able to reg LL.de domains just before denic found out it was causing technical difficulties with the used DNS resolver software.. They then restricted .de to minimum 3 characters. The already registered 4 domains were allowed to stay: db.de, ix.de, hq.de and bb.de, which is still in the whois but not connected. The owner preffers to use bilfingerberger.de

Maybe too many domainers got on their nerves hehe..

Thx for the insight rocka, didn't know that, repped u.....

Cheers

Frank

***johname*** · 07-10-2008, 11:24 AM

if i owned VW i would get VW.de too

**Dave Zan** · 07-10-2008, 04:39 PM

Corrupt, even though no one's able to currently view a copy of the decision
and review it? Not even Dominik suggested that anywhere in his blog entry.

If anything, it so happens Volkswagen disagreed, sued, and eventually got a
favorable decision. Denic can learn from this experience, just as the original
Network Solutions Inc (now LLC) did when they were sued for not allowing a
few domain names bearing dirty words to be registered back then.

Jakey · 07-10-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by johname

if i owned VW i would get VW.de too

Agreed..who wouldn't ?

Ronald Regging · 07-11-2008, 03:30 AM

For the government to come in and tell a private company how to run their business when that company is offering a completely level playing field is just disgusting. There is no valid argument here that would entitle VW to that domain.

Why do they deserve special treatment? As was said, this is going to open up future complaints and the registry is going to end up being held hostage by corporations. That compromises the integrity of the entire system and Denic will end up becoming a eunich... Not to be confused with the eu nic, which is run by EURid, but with similar disgrace.

hey.co.uk · 07-11-2008, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by arnie

but they own vw.com

why would they care so much?
bullying again!

Power of the ccTLD's , vw.co.uk vw.de etc are more relevant in certain parts of the world.

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liquidcherry Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: in my dreams Posts: 2,729	Well reading this, i bet it will just take days until lufthansa snatches lh.de.....:-) it is a shame, no doubt but....if you would be a registrar, wouldn't you bend your rules sometimes when the big bucks could flow towards your bankaccount? :-) Cheers Frank __________________ Credit\|Get married?\|Sniper Mag, your source for reality!

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Dave Zan Electrifying Guy Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,827 Follow @DaveZan	Corrupt, even though no one's able to currently view a copy of the decision and review it? Not even Dominik suggested that anywhere in his blog entry. If anything, it so happens Volkswagen disagreed, sued, and eventually got a favorable decision. Denic can learn from this experience, just as the original Network Solutions Inc (now LLC) did when they were sued for not allowing a few domain names bearing dirty words to be registered back then. __________________ *Vidi, Vici, Veni!* Follow My Tweets \| Check My Blog

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06-29-2008, 04:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
treebytheriver NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: mountain girl Posts: 537	Intersting, thanks for posting. I guess money talks and money always wins.

06-29-2008, 04:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Pred Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,688	but they own vw.com why would they care so much? bullying again!

06-29-2008, 06:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hurley4540 Account Closed Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,384	Money = Power

06-29-2008, 07:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mike NamePros Expert Join Date: May 2005 Location: www.chrome.us Posts: 5,184	It's not like anyone could have registered the domain since it's locked for registration. It's yet again a display how corrupt the systems are when someone with deep pockets shows up. The whole "we need to protect our identity" is utter nonsense in this case. Appalling...really. M.

06-29-2008, 08:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
raredn.com Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,290	Because VW is based in Germany and 'originally' all vw cars were built in Germany, they want the country code for Germany .de, I guess being the most popular country code domain extension in the world makes it desirable also, or is that .co.uk, think .de is number one country code extension unless I am mistaken

06-29-2008, 11:03 PM	#15 (permalink)
VisionEdger NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 706	vw was started by a nazi. who is involved in the new world order?? who has a major agenda other than autos and coffe makers (Krupp) ? the internet? da. look at the BIGGER picture folks. Its NOT just a car company and its NOT just $$$ that talks!

06-30-2008, 09:46 AM	#18 (permalink)
Pred Account Suspended Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,688	maybe RJ should go get np.de?

06-30-2008, 11:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
buckshotdots Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,707	I want my initials - GO ! g-

07-10-2008, 11:24 AM	#21 (permalink)
*johname* Business Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 13,518	if i owned VW i would get VW.de too

07-11-2008, 03:30 AM	#24 (permalink)
Ronald Regging Ex-President Join Date: May 2006 Location: Mount Joy, PA Posts: 2,643	For the government to come in and tell a private company how to run their business when that company is offering a completely level playing field is just disgusting. There is no valid argument here that would entitle VW to that domain. Why do they deserve special treatment? As was said, this is going to open up future complaints and the registry is going to end up being held hostage by corporations. That compromises the integrity of the entire system and Denic will end up becoming a eunich... Not to be confused with the eu nic, which is run by EURid, but with similar disgrace.

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