Domain Name Stolen by Registrar

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 05:09 PM

So I started checking on the availability of a domain this morning on whois.sc, and well waht do you know. The domain gets registered a couple hours later. WTF, I'm pissed about this. Is there anything that can be done?

This is the info given,

Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.COM
Registrar: ABOUT DOMAIN DOT COM SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD.
Whois Server: whois.aboutdomain.com
Referral URL: http://www.aboutdomain.com
Name Server: NS1.DSREDIRECTION.COM
Name Server: NS2.DSREDIRECTION.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 14-jun-2008
Creation Date: 14-jun-2008
Expiration Date: 14-jun-2009
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/481774-domain-name-stolen-by-registrar.html

This is the thiefs name.
Luca Mueller
Feringastr. 6
85774 Unterfoehring
Germany
+49 (0) 89 99216 476 (v)
+49 (0) 89 99216 170 (f)

Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXX.com
Created on: 2008-06-14 XX:XX:XX
Expires on: 2009-06-14 XX:XX:XX

CureCancer · 06-14-2008, 05:13 PM

thats why, i always say.. dont shop or search outside of GODADDY!!!

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 05:14 PM

The only places I imputted the name was at Whois.sc otherwise known as domaintools, to check to availability. And then on godaddy.

.jd. · 06-14-2008, 05:25 PM

There known for tasting and selling there list..

old news..

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 05:30 PM

Yes I know, is there anyting that can be done about it? Doesn't ICANN have a policy on this or whatever?

Abstracts.tv · 06-14-2008, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by kngavl

So I started checking on the availability of a domain this morning on whois.sc, and well waht do you know. The domain gets registered a couple hours later. WTF, I'm pissed about this. Is there anything that can be done?

This is the info given,

Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.COM
Registrar: ABOUT DOMAIN DOT COM SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD.
Whois Server: whois.aboutdomain.com
Referral URL: http://www.aboutdomain.com
Name Server: NS1.DSREDIRECTION.COM
Name Server: NS2.DSREDIRECTION.COM
Status: ok
Updated Date: 14-jun-2008
Creation Date: 14-jun-2008
Expiration Date: 14-jun-2009

This is the thiefs name.
Luca Mueller
Feringastr. 6
85774 Unterfoehring
Germany
+49 (0) 89 99216 476 (v)
+49 (0) 89 99216 170 (f)

Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXX.com
Created on: 2008-06-14 13:17:50
Expires on: 2009-06-14 13:17:50

This has been brought up many many times before. Why did you wait a couple of hours? If you see a name you think is good, and don't want to lose it, you have to register it rigth then! Otherwise, you snooze, you lose!!!!!

Frank

bfluid · 06-14-2008, 05:42 PM

Though the practice of this dude or company might have unethical draws to it... I believe that you probably should have registered the name a couple hours earlier when you checked it.

#1 Rule of domaining in my book?
- Do not shop without readiness to purchase the names you search for.

Abstracts.tv · 06-14-2008, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by kngavl

Yes I know, is there anyting that can be done about it? Doesn't ICANN have a policy on this or whatever?

First of all, you would have to prove it. How can you? There is a possibility it was just a coincidence. People are looking for, and regging domains all day long.

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 06:00 PM

It's coincidence that I search for a name, two word, random words really that has never been registered before in the history of the internet and within a few hours some one by coincidence registers the exact same name?
It's not coincidence, it's theft and hopefully it's only someone front running.

bfluid · 06-14-2008, 06:03 PM

Luca Mueller is the registrant of '131,148' domain names according to domaintools.

yilduz · 06-14-2008, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by kngavl

It's coincidence that I search for a name, two word, random words really that has never been registered before in the history of the internet and within a few hours some one by coincidence registers the exact same name?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=481774
It's not coincidence, it's theft and hopefully it's only someone front running.

It's not theft if you didn't own it.

You should have taken it when you searched it. Maybe that person figured you didn't want it since you didn't register it. Now you know.

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 06:14 PM

The fact is that someone used my search to their gain without my permission, someone stole my private search for there own gain.

He also doesn't seem to own a domain older then April of this year, in his 1000 oldest domains anyway.

.jd. · 06-14-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by kngavl

The fact is that someone used my search to their gain without my permission, someone stole my private search for there own gain.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=481774

He also doesn't seem to own a domain older then April of this year, in his 1000 oldest domains anyway.

Google, Yahoo, Live hmm.. Even some ISP's.. Plenty do it.. The name just might get drop in a few days.. Watch it, most of them don't hold the name very long unless they have traffic.

bfluid · 06-14-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by kngavl

The fact is that someone used my search to their gain without my permission, someone stole my private search for there own gain.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=481774

He also doesn't seem to own a domain older then April of this year, in his 1000 oldest domains anyway.

When you own 136k names it likely that you register more than 400 names a month imo.

HuntingMoon · 06-14-2008, 06:23 PM

it is a total scam and there are many providers against this practice. fabulous & moniker do not engage in front running.

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 06:27 PM

Nah, the name is dead other then other registrant information and I've already found other people who've had there domains tasted and kept after whois.sc a.k.a domain tools. I thought domaintools were not front running though thats why I used them.
Ah well, you learn eh? I wait my 5 days and then register the sucker the first chance I get.

Rob J · 06-14-2008, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by MIR

thats why, i always say.. dont shop or search outside of GODADDY!!!

Why GoDaddy? They're not exactly what i'd call honest, they've made more than their share of sleazy moves...

bricio · 06-14-2008, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by MIR

thats why, i always say.. dont shop or search outside of GODADDY!!!

i aways do searches at moniker, as they have live whois (godaddy doesnt), and i have never had problems but the most important thing is if you think you have a good name in mind check its availability where you will reg it and you must reg it immediately after it shows as available... you wont regret

kngavl · 06-14-2008, 06:34 PM

Hey abstracts.tv can you clear your pm inbox I need to send you something.

Yofie · 06-15-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by bfluid

Luca Mueller is the registrant of '131,148' domain names according to domaintools.

Just an FYI. Those are Records, NOT domain names.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=481774

A record is a listing that matches the registrants name or email address. This also goes back to domain history! So if you ever owned a domain and there is a whois history record of it, it will show under that number as well.

Len · 06-15-2008, 10:34 AM

I do all my searches on Namecheap......Never had a problem with them.

Garcia Coder · 06-15-2008, 10:45 AM

well you should have contacted the webhoster as well as domain service provider. They could have solve your porblem.

Hurley4540 · 06-15-2008, 10:49 AM

So wait, they record what people search then if they like it they reg it

???

Michael · 06-15-2008, 01:24 PM

Either do all your searches at Moniker, or buy it immediately and if you change your mind then drop it for a refund.

Can anyone confirm if DT sells searches? That's a really fast turn around for them to compile the list, someone to buy the list, and then register the domain you checked.

snowbird · 06-15-2008, 01:33 PM

hmmm it appears events such as these happen more and more regularly. In short, like many others have said, do not search to see if a domain is available if you are not willing to register it when you can. Seeing that its available and then leaving it there is a risk all on its own. If you came up with that name to register, then im sure someone else will think of that same name sometime in the future. It may not be right away if you leave it. But it could be gone in 3 days, a week, or maybe in as little as a day. Available domains are getting fewer and fewer these days.

06-14-2008, 05:09 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	Domain Name Stolen by Registrar So I started checking on the availability of a domain this morning on whois.sc, and well waht do you know. The domain gets registered a couple hours later. WTF, I'm pissed about this. Is there anything that can be done? This is the info given, Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX.COM Registrar: ABOUT DOMAIN DOT COM SOLUTIONS PVT. LTD. Whois Server: whois.aboutdomain.com Referral URL: http://www.aboutdomain.com Name Server: NS1.DSREDIRECTION.COM Name Server: NS2.DSREDIRECTION.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 14-jun-2008 Creation Date: 14-jun-2008 Expiration Date: 14-jun-2009 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/481774-domain-name-stolen-by-registrar.html This is the thiefs name. Luca Mueller Feringastr. 6 85774 Unterfoehring Germany +49 (0) 89 99216 476 (v) +49 (0) 89 99216 170 (f) Domain Name: XXXXXXXXXX.com Created on: 2008-06-14 XX:XX:XX Expires on: 2009-06-14 XX:XX:XX __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton Last edited by kngavl; 06-14-2008 at 06:10 PM.

06-14-2008, 05:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
CureCancer Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,166	thats why, i always say.. dont shop or search outside of GODADDY!!! __________________ Government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the Earth. Abraham Lincoln

06-14-2008, 05:14 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	The only places I imputted the name was at Whois.sc otherwise known as domaintools, to check to availability. And then on godaddy. __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

06-14-2008, 05:30 PM	THREAD STARTER #5 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	Yes I know, is there anyting that can be done about it? Doesn't ICANN have a policy on this or whatever? __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

06-14-2008, 05:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	Though the practice of this dude or company might have unethical draws to it... I believe that you probably should have registered the name a couple hours earlier when you checked it. #1 Rule of domaining in my book? - Do not shop without readiness to purchase the names you search for. __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

06-14-2008, 05:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
.jd. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,080	There known for tasting and selling there list.. old news..

06-14-2008, 06:00 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	It's coincidence that I search for a name, two word, random words really that has never been registered before in the history of the internet and within a few hours some one by coincidence registers the exact same name? It's not coincidence, it's theft and hopefully it's only someone front running. __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

06-14-2008, 06:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
bfluid Mr. LLLL Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: GA, USA Posts: 1,476	Luca Mueller is the registrant of '131,148' domain names according to domaintools. __________________ Have Questions Concerning Domaining? I'm Here to Help! :)

06-14-2008, 06:14 PM	THREAD STARTER #12 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	The fact is that someone used my search to their gain without my permission, someone stole my private search for there own gain. He also doesn't seem to own a domain older then April of this year, in his 1000 oldest domains anyway. __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

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HuntingMoon Join our Mailer! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,101	it is a total scam and there are many providers against this practice. fabulous & moniker do not engage in front running. __________________ HuntingMoon Twitter Essociate PDDW.com Pending Delete Domain Watcher \| Tube Domains

06-14-2008, 06:27 PM	THREAD STARTER #16 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	Nah, the name is dead other then other registrant information and I've already found other people who've had there domains tasted and kept after whois.sc a.k.a domain tools. I thought domaintools were not front running though thats why I used them. Ah well, you learn eh? I wait my 5 days and then register the sucker the first chance I get. __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

06-14-2008, 06:34 PM	THREAD STARTER #19 (permalink)
kngavl NamePros Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kanata Posts: 61	Hey abstracts.tv can you clear your pm inbox I need to send you something. __________________ "There is no such thing on earth as an uninteresting subject; the only thing that can exist is an uninterested person. " - G.K. Chesterton

06-15-2008, 10:34 AM	#21 (permalink)
Len dot TV'er Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 3,757	I do all my searches on Namecheap......Never had a problem with them.

06-15-2008, 10:45 AM	#22 (permalink)
Garcia Coder NamePros Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 190	well you should have contacted the webhoster as well as domain service provider. They could have solve your porblem. __________________ Gracia

06-15-2008, 10:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
Hurley4540 Account Suspended Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,386	So wait, they record what people search then if they like it they reg it ???

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Michael DNMedia.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,866	Either do all your searches at Moniker, or buy it immediately and if you change your mind then drop it for a refund. Can anyone confirm if DT sells searches? That's a really fast turn around for them to compile the list, someone to buy the list, and then register the domain you checked. __________________ MiniSites.com - Shift Your Domains Out of Park! DN Media Corporation \| Friend Me on Facebook \| Follow Me on Twitter

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snowbird Emperor Penguin Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 727	hmmm it appears events such as these happen more and more regularly. In short, like many others have said, do not search to see if a domain is available if you are not willing to register it when you can. Seeing that its available and then leaving it there is a risk all on its own. If you came up with that name to register, then im sure someone else will think of that same name sometime in the future. It may not be right away if you leave it. But it could be gone in 3 days, a week, or maybe in as little as a day. Available domains are getting fewer and fewer these days. __________________ Mike R. RegisterBird.com RegisterBird.com Star Program [Special Promotion on .IN, .COM, and .NET extensions!]

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