Domains you wouldn't reg on principle

DDC_Cyn · 06-02-2008, 12:15 PM

Every day, when I scan through the lists of domains people are buying and selling, I notice some that I feel funny about on principle.

For example, names of killers, or even domains with the words kill, or murder in them. A month or so ago, there was a flurry of activity around the name of that man who had his family locked up in the basement. I don't know, feels like bad karma to me, even if the sites do pull in traffic.

Do these kinds of names bother you, or is it about giving the people what they want?

Michael · 06-02-2008, 12:20 PM

I personally think it is wrong to profit from someone else's misfortune. Call it ethics, call it karma, call it whatever you want... it still bugs me.

Rob J · 06-02-2008, 12:30 PM

I don't care to hear about other peoples morals, one example is a few months ago someone posted the domain pedophiles.com (or something like that). A bunch of people got all high and mighty about the domain name and how he should have never registered it on principle. Well good for you and your morals, now shut up about them. There's absolutely NO REASON pedophiles.com has to be a pro-pedophile site.

Spade · 06-02-2008, 12:32 PM

Recently I wrote a letter to Network Solutions about their sale of SandNigger.com. I felt NSI should have taken the higher road when that sale occurred. Donating their profits from it to a tolerance organization.

Just my opinion.

Michael · 06-02-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by scabies

I don't care to hear about other peoples morals, one example is a few months ago someone posted the domain pedophiles.com (or something like that). A bunch of people got all high and mighty about the domain name and how he should have never registered it on principle. Well good for you and your morals, now shut up about them. There's absolutely NO REASON pedophiles.com has to be a pro-pedophile site.

First of all, you need to relax a bit, especially with the "shut up" comments. This is a forum and everyone is free to express their views.

Second of all, your example is not pertinent exactly because of what you said, it could be used for good in a roundabout way.

But how could registering the name of murder victim and setting up a parking page benefit anyone?

Originally Posted by Spade

Recently I wrote a letter to Network Solutions about their sale of SandNigger.com. I felt NSI should have taken the higher road when that sale occurred. Donating their profits from it to a tolerance organization.
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Just my opinion.

Kudos to you for being proactive about it.

.jd. · 06-02-2008, 12:47 PM

Regardless. Most of the names will pull in traffic thus creating profit for some one. Morals,obligations as some might say etc.. It doesn't matter. People profit off of everything.

For profit, nothing matters. Done

IAmAllanShore · 06-02-2008, 12:54 PM

Depends on the nature of the misfortune... Delta going bankrupt was a huge misfortune for many, but that would be a mighty different ethical standard than the name of a child molester, etc.

-Allan

MaguirePhD · 06-02-2008, 01:08 PM

Regged NaziHQ.de so it would not fall into the hands of someone who would use it for the wrong purpose. Had two uncles who were POW's under the Nazi regime.

Now, I will give it to dekok.de an organization that retires these domains. I don't think this name should have even been available.
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Similarly, I regged NJSP.mobi (New Jersey State Police), my first department, so that no one would take it and exploit it. Will never profit from it.

As soon as they realize the administration division was asleep at the switch and should have registered it, I will just transfer it to them.

This post is not to tout me at all but to point out that we all have n obligation to secure domain names that could be used with bad intent.

Doc

DDC_Cyn · 06-02-2008, 01:34 PM

I'm not saying we should ban names or censor anything people want to put on them. As you said, an anti-site could make use of a name that is troublesome to most. I also don't object to sites that have information about serial killers.

I guess it goes to intent - just like when someone regs a trademarked or actor's name for the purpose of extortion.

What I'm more curious about is where people draw the line. Is the word Murder or killer, in a domain enough to turn you off? What about celebs that get in trouble. Tatum O'Neal just got busted - how many people are looking for domain names that suit that news story as we speak?

Rob J · 06-02-2008, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

First of all, you need to relax a bit, especially with the "shut up" comments. This is a forum and everyone is free to express their views.

I didn't tell anyone specifically to shut up, so you need to relax a bit. And even if I did, as you said yourself everyone is free to express their views.

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

Second of all, your example is not pertinent exactly because of what you said, it could be used for good in a roundabout way.

But how could registering the name of murder victim and setting up a parking page benefit anyone?

Well, it depends on how high profile it is I guess. I'm sure LaciPeterson.com or NicoleSimpson.com benefitted someone. Maybe it's sleazy, but this is a pretty sleazy business. I have a hard time believing anyone here wouldn't have jumped to reg those names, morals or not.
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edit: i'll also point out that even those aren't necessarily regged in bad faith. For all we know the LaciPeterson.com domain was donated to them, NicoleSimpson.com is parked and i'd guess it gets a good deal of type-ins, but at least it's not a pro-OJ site glamorizing the murders.

Anyways, to answer the original question in this thread, there isn't any name that I wouldn't register on principle. In fact, i'd argue that everyone should reg names that they find offensive or immoral, simply to keep them out of the hands of the people who would do bad things with them. I'm sure there are some hate groups that would love the domain niggers.com , so we can be thankful at least that it's parked rather than developed as a hate site.

Michael · 06-02-2008, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by scabies

I didn't tell anyone specifically to shut up, so you need to relax a bit. And even if I did, as you said yourself everyone is free to express their views.

Well, it depends on how high profile it is I guess. I'm sure LaciPeterson.com or NicoleSimpson.com benefitted someone. Maybe it's sleazy, but this is a pretty sleazy business. I have a hard time believing anyone here wouldn't have jumped to reg those names, morals or not.

edit: i'll also point out that even those aren't necessarily regged in bad faith. For all we know the LaciPeterson.com domain was donated to them, NicoleSimpson.com is parked and i'd guess it gets a good deal of type-ins, but at least it's not a pro-OJ site glamorizing the murders.

Anyways, to answer the original question in this thread, there isn't any name that I wouldn't register on principle. In fact, i'd argue that everyone should reg names that they find offensive or immoral, simply to keep them out of the hands of the people who would do bad things with them. I'm sure there are some hate groups that would love the domain niggers.com , so we can be thankful at least that it's parked rather than developed as a hate site.

Everyone is free to express their views... politely. This is sometimes seen as a sleazy business because so many people don't have a line that they aren't willing to cross to make a buck, but that doesn't excuse it.
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Originally Posted by .jd.

Regardless. Most of the names will pull in traffic thus creating profit for some one. Morals,obligations as some might say etc.. It doesn't matter. People profit off of everything.

For profit, nothing matters. Done

People profit off of drugs and prostitution, I guess that makes it ok to slang crack and pimp hos. Heck, why stop there when you can sell children into slavery and traffic humans? A buck is a buck, right?

To answer the other part of the question, I wouldn't have a problem buying a name with kill, murder, etc. in it, but I just couldn't bring myself to register the name of a murder victim or missing/abused child because I could just imagine how that would make the victim's family feel.

GF · 06-02-2008, 04:43 PM

I can see certain ethics involved with profiting off someone else's misfortune. If I were to set up a website named "RonaldGoldman.com," parked it and received ad revenue I'd feel like I was taking blood money by pocketing it.

Additionally, I can't register a name if I believe it represents something that is immoral (abortion, ethnic cleansing, murder, child abuse, etc.)

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Depends on the nature of the misfortune... Delta going bankrupt was a huge misfortune for many, but that would be a mighty different ethical standard than the name of a child molester, etc.

-Allan

Allan hit it right on the head.

.jd. · 06-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by GF4444

I can see certain ethics involved with profiting off someone else's misfortune. If I were to set up a website named "RonaldGoldman.com," parked it and received ad revenue I'd feel like I was taking blood money by pocketing it.

Additionally, I can't register a name if I believe it represents something that is immoral (abortion, ethnic cleansing, murder, child abuse, etc.)

Allan hit it right on the head.

Thats where it plays in. Some people would say that abortion is not wrong at all. In some countries having a slave is still deemed "ok".

netfleet · 06-02-2008, 06:01 PM

I've come across typos for charities and NFP's which I know from various tests would receive heaps of traffic. So, instead of regging them, I email the relevant organisation to let them know it should be registered as they are losing traffic & potential supporters.

Unfortunately usually my emails are ignored & the typo left unregged. I guess some people don't really understand....

kemjika11 · 06-02-2008, 06:05 PM

I agree with .jd. Ethics aand business are related, but they are different things. Domainers get all "ethical" when you have a name that is controversial to say the least. If its legal, then why can't they reg those types of names? If its legal, you are entitled to do it if you choose to. Its clouded objectivity in my eyes. I really dislike it. This is capitalism, and no matter whats happening, someone is benefitting and profiting from it. As long as the name is not OVERLY disgusting, then i really won't judge it specially(lets say in the appraisal section of NP).

firefly · 06-02-2008, 06:37 PM

If sounds like it's encouraging or making light of rape, child molestation, Violence against women, then I find it completely immoral and totally reprehensible for anyone to make profit from it.

weblord · 06-02-2008, 06:39 PM

about drinking, smoking, sex, those are the things we don't do as christians.

GF · 06-02-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by .jd.

Thats where it plays in. Some people would say that abortion is not wrong at all. In some countries having a slave is still deemed "ok".

Right. If someone else can sleep at night knowing that they are profiting from abortion, that's their prerogative. If someone else deems slavery as OK, same with them. They are (and should be!) free to do so. If they want to profit off of these things, they live with that on their conscience.
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Originally Posted by weblord

about drinking, smoking, sex, those are the things we don't do as christians.

Ehh, sorry - I do all of the above, and I'm a proud Christian.

Drinking - absolutely - I love scotch
Smoking - I have a great collection of cigars
Sex - I try every night

I go to church every Sunday, and love it.

Michael · 06-02-2008, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by kemjika11

I agree with .jd. Ethics aand business are related, but they are different things. Domainers get all "ethical" when you have a name that is controversial to say the least. If its legal, then why can't they reg those types of names? If its legal, you are entitled to do it if you choose to. Its clouded objectivity in my eyes. I really dislike it. This is capitalism, and no matter whats happening, someone is benefitting and profiting from it. As long as the name is not OVERLY disgusting, then i really won't judge it specially(lets say in the appraisal section of NP).

There are a lot of things that are legal but completely immoral. I don't think it is wise to let the law guide your morals though. There is a vast difference between something you should be "allowed" to do and something that you "should" do. It is legal to be an adulterer, but does that make it right? It is legal to register domains of murder victims, but does that make it right?
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Obviously everyone has their own set of morals and is entitled to their beliefs, just saying where I stand.

kemjika11 · 06-02-2008, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

There are a lot of things that are legal but completely immoral. I don't think it is wise to let the law guide your morals though. There is a vast difference between something you should be "allowed" to do and something that you "should" do. It is legal to be an adulterer, but does that make it right? It is legal to register domains of murder victims, but does that make it right?
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Obviously everyone has their own set of morals and is entitled to their beliefs, just saying where I stand.

GOod point. I actually agree with you, and thats why i said "...as long as its not OVERLY disgusting".

CHILLY · 06-02-2008, 08:46 PM

It depends on who you are and what you define as morale and where your definition of morales comes from. For instance I don't mess with any Adult/Porno names, gang/violence names, pro drug names ect... Now somebody else may not want to deal in murder names but see no problem at all with porno names. Here's a quick funny story about the battle of good & evil in a moment of morale domaining weakness or, lost opportunity?

Awhile back I was on youtube and I noticed that an older gentlemen perhaps in his 70's was making video blogs. Right around that time he had made it to the front page and was getting millions of hits. OF COURSE..I went to see if the name was available in my attempt to think link a domainer. YES! it was available, Now in a moment of weakness inside the battle of morality / profits / who cares / I'm a domainer / that's not right / what's wrong with that? / I might get in trouble / Man, I need money/ ect..ect... I did not register it, well I went back about 5-10 minutes later and it was gone.
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A couple of days go bye, I see the now Famous (#1 on youtube at the time) Old video blogger saying in a very long, angry and dramatic video "Some f***ing Scum bastard *&&%#$%^& low life son of a bi*** ect..

registered my name and I had wanted to make a website, please do not go to that site, it should be taken down ect.. ect.. along the lines like this and had a whole lot of support behind him.

I kinda laughed at the whole thing but i always wondered what kind of rev it made.

I think somebody from the uk got it, maybe they are a member here?

weblord · 06-02-2008, 08:55 PM

im talking about being born again christian (John 3:3) to be specific

Originally Posted by GF4444

Ehh, sorry - I do all of the above, and I'm a proud Christian.

Drinking - absolutely - I love scotch
Smoking - I have a great collection of cigars
Sex - I try every night

I go to church every Sunday, and love it.

soggyindo · 06-02-2008, 08:56 PM

for me i avoid all the obviously bad ones (killers, nazis etc). Heck, I'm moving away from sites that sell boring products, I don't want them to fill up my day! there's so much to reg out there i can't see why you'd want to go kkk.com. some might be good at doing anti bad guy sites. for my money i'd rather go towards things i enjoy reading more about, i get too involved.

the biggest worry for me is all the health names - mesothemioma.net and the like. as the first/only place people go for info, i don't want to be helping fill the web with parked, duplicate, SEO charged + shoddy sites. i keep visualizing the poor sick guy searching through all that crud when i see them.

i've got some health names, but they're all to develop sites i personally know sufferers for, sort of a mission to get some good info out there.

**Dave Zan** · 06-03-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by DomainRaiders.com

I don't think it is wise to let the law guide your morals though.

Well, some laws are based on some morals, right?

Many if not everyone practically know where they stand. That's just about it.

Mileage varies.

Michael · 06-03-2008, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Zan

Well, some laws are based on some morals, right?

Absolutely, there are tons of laws that have a foundation in morality. I was just saying it shouldn't necessarily work the other way around. If you follow the letter of the law to determine your morals, abortion is moral, adultery is moral, the death penalty is moral, etc. I'm not taking a stance on these hot button issues because they are off topic, just saying that it is ok for morals to determine law, but not always the other way around.

06-02-2008, 12:15 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
DDC_Cyn NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The OC Posts: 385	Domains you wouldn't reg on principle Every day, when I scan through the lists of domains people are buying and selling, I notice some that I feel funny about on principle. For example, names of killers, or even domains with the words kill, or murder in them. A month or so ago, there was a flurry of activity around the name of that man who had his family locked up in the basement. I don't know, feels like bad karma to me, even if the sites do pull in traffic. Do these kinds of names bother you, or is it about giving the people what they want? __________________ Maximize Your Revenue DDC -- Power Parking

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Michael DNMedia.com Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,842	I personally think it is wrong to profit from someone else's misfortune. Call it ethics, call it karma, call it whatever you want... it still bugs me. __________________ MiniSites.com - Shift Your Domains Out of Park! DN Media Corporation \| Friend Me on Facebook \| Follow Me on Twitter

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IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	Depends on the nature of the misfortune... Delta going bankrupt was a huge misfortune for many, but that would be a mighty different ethical standard than the name of a child molester, etc. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

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MaguirePhD Account Closed Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 320	NaziHQ.de Regged NaziHQ.de so it would not fall into the hands of someone who would use it for the wrong purpose. Had two uncles who were POW's under the Nazi regime. Now, I will give it to dekok.de an organization that retires these domains. I don't think this name should have even been available. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=476914 Similarly, I regged NJSP.mobi (New Jersey State Police), my first department, so that no one would take it and exploit it. Will never profit from it. As soon as they realize the administration division was asleep at the switch and should have registered it, I will just transfer it to them. This post is not to tout me at all but to point out that we all have n obligation to secure domain names that could be used with bad intent. Doc Last edited by MaguirePhD; 06-02-2008 at 01:19 PM.

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Rob J NamePros Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 398	I don't care to hear about other peoples morals, one example is a few months ago someone posted the domain pedophiles.com (or something like that). A bunch of people got all high and mighty about the domain name and how he should have never registered it on principle. Well good for you and your morals, now shut up about them. There's absolutely NO REASON pedophiles.com has to be a pro-pedophile site.

06-02-2008, 12:47 PM	#6 (permalink)
.jd. Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,077	Regardless. Most of the names will pull in traffic thus creating profit for some one. Morals,obligations as some might say etc.. It doesn't matter. People profit off of everything. For profit, nothing matters. Done

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DDC_Cyn NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The OC Posts: 385	I'm not saying we should ban names or censor anything people want to put on them. As you said, an anti-site could make use of a name that is troublesome to most. I also don't object to sites that have information about serial killers. I guess it goes to intent - just like when someone regs a trademarked or actor's name for the purpose of extortion. What I'm more curious about is where people draw the line. Is the word Murder or killer, in a domain enough to turn you off? What about celebs that get in trouble. Tatum O'Neal just got busted - how many people are looking for domain names that suit that news story as we speak? __________________ Maximize Your Revenue DDC -- Power Parking

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netfleet NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 714	I've come across typos for charities and NFP's which I know from various tests would receive heaps of traffic. So, instead of regging them, I email the relevant organisation to let them know it should be registered as they are losing traffic & potential supporters. Unfortunately usually my emails are ignored & the typo left unregged. I guess some people don't really understand....

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kemjika11 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: new England Posts: 2,134	I agree with .jd. Ethics aand business are related, but they are different things. Domainers get all "ethical" when you have a name that is controversial to say the least. If its legal, then why can't they reg those types of names? If its legal, you are entitled to do it if you choose to. Its clouded objectivity in my eyes. I really dislike it. This is capitalism, and no matter whats happening, someone is benefitting and profiting from it. As long as the name is not OVERLY disgusting, then i really won't judge it specially(lets say in the appraisal section of NP). __________________ My Sedo Names The love network- Buy a Humphree T! :bingo: Start your money making campaign

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firefly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Watching the hypocrisy float by Posts: 2,728 Follow @xxfireflyxx	If sounds like it's encouraging or making light of rape, child molestation, Violence against women, then I find it completely immoral and totally reprehensible for anyone to make profit from it.

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weblord NamePros Legend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philippines - www.Nabaza.com Posts: 19,784	about drinking, smoking, sex, those are the things we don't do as christians. __________________ Nabaza.com - Amaia

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CHILLY NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 590	It depends on who you are and what you define as morale and where your definition of morales comes from. For instance I don't mess with any Adult/Porno names, gang/violence names, pro drug names ect... Now somebody else may not want to deal in murder names but see no problem at all with porno names. Here's a quick funny story about the battle of good & evil in a moment of morale domaining weakness or, lost opportunity? Awhile back I was on youtube and I noticed that an older gentlemen perhaps in his 70's was making video blogs. Right around that time he had made it to the front page and was getting millions of hits. OF COURSE..I went to see if the name was available in my attempt to think link a domainer. YES! it was available, Now in a moment of weakness inside the battle of morality / profits / who cares / I'm a domainer / that's not right / what's wrong with that? / I might get in trouble / Man, I need money/ ect..ect... I did not register it, well I went back about 5-10 minutes later and it was gone. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=476914 A couple of days go bye, I see the now Famous (#1 on youtube at the time) Old video blogger saying in a very long, angry and dramatic video "Some f**ing Scum bastard &&%#$%^& low life son of a bi*** ect.. registered my name and I had wanted to make a website, please do not go to that site, it should be taken down ect.. ect.. along the lines like this and had a whole lot of support behind him. I kinda laughed at the whole thing but i always wondered what kind of rev it made. I think somebody from the uk got it, maybe they are a member here? __________________ Travel Tourism Guide for Chichester, West Sussex UK

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soggyindo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ✰$479 sites✰ artistwebsite.org Posts: 1,283	for me i avoid all the obviously bad ones (killers, nazis etc). Heck, I'm moving away from sites that sell boring products, I don't want them to fill up my day! there's so much to reg out there i can't see why you'd want to go kkk.com. some might be good at doing anti bad guy sites. for my money i'd rather go towards things i enjoy reading more about, i get too involved. the biggest worry for me is all the health names - mesothemioma.net and the like. as the first/only place people go for info, i don't want to be helping fill the web with parked, duplicate, SEO charged + shoddy sites. i keep visualizing the poor sick guy searching through all that crud when i see them. i've got some health names, but they're all to develop sites i personally know sufferers for, sort of a mission to get some good info out there. __________________ Get a top quality domain portfolio, blog, or developed website, from $479. Quote NAMEHUGGER11 for a NamePros only discount. Artist Website \| Contemporary Art Blogs.

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