Is a .COM movement used to stifle the growth of domaining with respect to alt TLD's?

Infinity · 04-12-2008, 05:55 PM

Is a .COM movement used to stifle the growth of domaining with respect to alt TLD's?

What do you think?

.mobi sucks
.tv sucks
.asia sucks

"Buy LLLL.com then NNNNN.com then NNNNNN.com to create a market, just between us domainers.." (this, by the way is very good, we need more market)

It is now April 12, 2008 - how is your end-users' appeal?
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I believe our masses' pockets suffer because our industry leader's attention believes in kissing the butts of the same "heroes"..

Bad roots

We need to grow widespread appeal.. 4/12/2008 domaining can not be said to have broken out of its infancy..

so many people have left (give up) our industry citing failure; when, they find no truth of support for the grassroots domainer's hopes..

Kind Regards,

Yelo (Domainer since January 1999)

tdm300 · 04-12-2008, 06:04 PM

There will be growth for a next tld (probably .net). Its just that there is just too much new tld coming and people think that there will be instant success with them and that just wont happen.

raredn.com · 04-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by www.INTERPOL.name

so many people have left our industry feeling failure, when they find no truth of support for the grassroots domainer's hopes..

No, I think the new wave of domainers fail miserably, because they come in hand registering 'two word' .asia names where there is countless variations on the same theme, new domainers don't listen to a word experienced domainers have to say, so they dig their own grave, simple as that.
example:
onlineclubs.asia
megaclubs.asia
superclubs.asia
superclub.asia
specialclub.asia
clubcentral.asia
hyperclub.asia
clubsonline.asia

Shall I go on? I could make that list go on forever, just on the club theme,

above is why new domainers fail

If people think they can step into a market thinking they know everything, of course they will fail

So what I am saying is it is not the extension so much, but the names registered that spells their doom
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ecalc · 04-12-2008, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by www.INTERPOL.name

Is a .COM movement used to stifle the growth of domaining with respect to alt TLD's?

Dot com is firmly entrenched as the default extension favored by web users, domainers and developers. This preference, like it or not, explains why type in traffic is largely a dot com phenomenon. Traffic converts to money, reinforcing the dot com advantage. The internet economy changes at dizzying speed. Dot coms and domains themselves may very well disappear in our lifetimes. Pick your horse and ride it. The market will decide the winners, not artificial efforts to grow widespread appeal or create hope for alt tlds.

Spade · 04-12-2008, 09:09 PM

What your failing to acknowledge is Consumer Awareness. What TLD's are consumers familiar with? com / net / org - many people in the United States arent even aware their is a .us.
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Now, knowing this. If your starting a business, do you want any other TLD's besides the major three? Do you NEED them? Companies buy domain names that consumers know - because that makes sense. It took years of development to build value in these TLDs... yet people are overnight putting thousands of dollars into brand new TLD's with limited chance of survival.

The other issue is of course the creation of unnecessary TLDs. - .mobi is absolutely needless.... a simple line of code can direct a mobile web user to a mobile version of the page also, with development of highspeed connections on portable devices, people can actually view full-page sites.... (iphone!)

And thats the truth.

Justin

accent · 04-12-2008, 09:40 PM

Spade is right about people's habits, com and a little bit of org is all most Americans know, in some countries they know their own TLD also, maybe even know a neighbor's TLD or two. But mostly it all just keeps piling up on .com. At the same time established domainers who have traffic .coms downplay other extensions to protect their investment, although there is likely little effect on end users from their actions.

There actually is an advertisement on the radio featuring a .biz domain up here near Seattle. I couldn't believe it. So end users are very slowly accepting alternate extensions, forced there by the jam-up on com and unwilling to pay $XXXX for a "$8 domain name". But it may be that the attraction of alternates is their low cost (reg fee) and that buyers will move to still other alternates rather than pay more.

ICANN plans to flood the market with new extensions, so I would not get too involved with non-coms. Except .mobi, which is a different game.

bmugford · 04-12-2008, 11:07 PM

The .com has been the standard, and will always be the standard.
I think you will see more growth in .net domains before you see growth in a .someobscureextension

Jeff · 04-13-2008, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by www.INTERPOL.name

so many people have left our industry feeling failure, when they find no truth of support for the grassroots domainer's hopes..

That's true, a lot of new domainers (investing in, mainly, new and unproven extensions) eventually give up altogether!

Originally Posted by raredn.com

No, I think the new wave of domainers fail miserably, because they come in hand registereing 'two word' .asia names where there is countless variations on the same theme, new domainers don't listen to a word experienced domainers have to say, so they dig their own grave ...

^ That is exactly what has happened, historically!

Fortunately there are excellent resources for new domainers such as here at #1 Namepros, where informed and experienced members provide the information and opportunity for those new and newer to domains to learn, if they so desire.

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Originally Posted by accentnepal

ICANN plans to flood the market with new extensions, so I would not get too involved with non-coms. Except .mobi, which is a different game.

Except .mobi? How do you figure? The only ones making any actual money

in the "dot Mobey" - while at the same time failing to live up to the promises it made - is mTLD, IMHO.

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

uber · 04-13-2008, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff

Except .mobi? How do you figure? The only ones making any actual money

in the "dot Mobey" - while at the same time failing to live up to the promises it made - is mTLD, IMHO.

Just my two sense.
-Jeff

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LOL - Jeff...I hadn't expected you to weigh in there!

Let's not have that dot mobey debate today....

Back to the plot...

I think Yelo, in citing a conspiracy you are just plain wrong... the market is a true judge of worth... the market knows and recognizes dot com... end of story.

I think there is room for some ccTLD's - notably .ca .de and .co.uk - These countries have a need for identity.... part of the national psyche...
IMHO America will never recognize .us becuase in their mind they own .com

I am sure there are exceptions that prove the rule as they say.... (flowers dot mobey).... but I think the facts generally speak for themselves...

If we really want to get into weird conspiracy stuff we should have a look at what Alicia Keys is saying.... THAT was whacky

Peace out Yelo

gpmgroup · 04-13-2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

ICANN plans to flood the market with new extensions, so I would not get too involved with non-coms.

ICANN needs to be very careful or Corporate America is going to get very fed up with Domainers then legislation will follow and it will make the Snowe Bill look like a walk in the park.

Infinity · 04-13-2008, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by WorldRadio.mobi

Is a .COM movement used to stifle the growth of domaining with respect to alt TLD's?

What do you think?

.mobi sucks
.tv sucks
.asia sucks

"Buy LLLL.com then NNNNN.com then NNNNNN.com to create a market, just between us domainers.."

It is now April 12, 2008 - how is your end-users' appeal?

I believe our masses' pockets suffer because our industry leader's attention believes in kissing the butts of the same "heroes"..

Bad roots

We need to grow widespread appeal.. 4/12/2008 domaining can not be said to have broken out of its infancy..

so many people have left (give up) our industry citing failure; when, they find no truth of support for the grassroots domainer's hopes..

Kind Regards,
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456780

Yelo (Domainer since January 1999)

No one is to blame

Just asking to study, what are the industry's leaders' voices doing for the FUTURE of our trade (the other extensions) asap?

-and-

Have they been the voices representing the masses: Please see
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-...-member-i.html

Colleagues, just getting a little tough today to make us all go faster in thought here in preparation of the special venture for the world called Domaining..

Kind Regards,

Yelo

Jeff · 04-13-2008, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by uber

I am sure there are exceptions that prove the rule as they say.... (flowers dot mobey).... but I think the facts generally speak for themselves...

At least I was only one of ^ three that referenced the "dot Mobey" here ... but point taken and nice, informative post Uber.

Peace out to you, and kind regards to Yelo!
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-Jeff

accent · 04-13-2008, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by gpmgroup

ICANN needs to be very careful or Corporate America is going to get very fed up with Domainers then legislation will follow and it will make the Snowe Bill look like a walk in the park.

ICANN could greatly help the industry by clarifying what is and is not trademark infringment, and prevent the original registration of infringing domains. Not that that would be an easy task, but Congress will step in if they do not.
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I also agree that corporations will tire of having to register and renew hundreds (thousands) of domains just to protect them from squatters. At some point it becomes extortion by the registrys.

IMO the Snowe bill will melt away, but there will be more - and likely worse - behind it. After Registerfly I have very little confidence in ICANN(t) .

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tdm300 NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Ny Posts: 79	There will be growth for a next tld (probably .net). Its just that there is just too much new tld coming and people think that there will be instant success with them and that just wont happen. __________________ :)

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Spade NamePros Expert Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,848	What your failing to acknowledge is Consumer Awareness. What TLD's are consumers familiar with? com / net / org - many people in the United States arent even aware their is a .us. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=456780 Now, knowing this. If your starting a business, do you want any other TLD's besides the major three? Do you NEED them? Companies buy domain names that consumers know - because that makes sense. It took years of development to build value in these TLDs... yet people are overnight putting thousands of dollars into brand new TLD's with limited chance of survival. The other issue is of course the creation of unnecessary TLDs. - .mobi is absolutely needless.... a simple line of code can direct a mobile web user to a mobile version of the page also, with development of highspeed connections on portable devices, people can actually view full-page sites.... (iphone!) And thats the truth. Justin __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

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accent Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,299	Spade is right about people's habits, com and a little bit of org is all most Americans know, in some countries they know their own TLD also, maybe even know a neighbor's TLD or two. But mostly it all just keeps piling up on .com. At the same time established domainers who have traffic .coms downplay other extensions to protect their investment, although there is likely little effect on end users from their actions. There actually is an advertisement on the radio featuring a .biz domain up here near Seattle. I couldn't believe it. So end users are very slowly accepting alternate extensions, forced there by the jam-up on com and unwilling to pay $XXXX for a "$8 domain name". But it may be that the attraction of alternates is their low cost (reg fee) and that buyers will move to still other alternates rather than pay more. ICANN plans to flood the market with new extensions, so I would not get too involved with non-coms. Except .mobi, which is a different game. __________________ Domains for sale For List Of Country Code Domains Jewelry of Tibet and Nepal TibetanJewelry.mobi Tibetan Symbols Om Pyramids Ancient Egyptian Secrets Ancient Mystery Eden Shakti

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