Warning: In Regards to Stolen Domains

Spade · 03-08-2008, 09:44 AM

Within the past 48 hours it came to light that there were some very high end adult domain names being sold on DNF that were in fact stolen. I wont post them here as they may be inappropriate, but a substantial amount of money appears to have been lost (upwards of several hundred thousand). Please be advised to conduct due diligence when buying domain names!

Justin

Jeff · 03-08-2008, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Spade

Within the past 48 hours it came to light that there were some very high end adult domain names being sold on DNF that were in fact stolen.

Yikes!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/441941-warning-in-regards-to-stolen-domains.html

Thanks for the heads up, Justin ... we don't need any of that drama around these parts!

-Jeff

Spade · 03-08-2008, 09:56 AM

I have posted the domain names that were stolen in the Adult Section, here is a link for those interested:

http://www.namepros.com/showthread.p...03#post2600203

Peter · 03-08-2008, 10:28 AM

Cheers for the heads up Spade. It seems that such things are happening on a much larger scale and more frequently than they used too.

Spade · 03-08-2008, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by peter@flexiwebhost

Cheers for the heads up Spade. It seems that such things are happening on a much larger scale and more frequently than they used too.

And Involving former NP members....

eggymusic · 03-08-2008, 10:39 AM

i can't access this link..help?
http://www.namepros.com/showthread....203#post2600203

**mis_chiff** · 03-08-2008, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by eggymusic

i can't access this link..help?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941
http://www.namepros.com/showthread....203#post2600203

You must be this tall (over 18) to view the adult thread.
your birthday profile does not show your correct birthday (year)

Broker · 03-08-2008, 10:52 AM

I dont understand how people are stealing domain names to begin with. Are they hacking into accounts or what? They should be locked up imho.

GreenGambler · 03-08-2008, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Broker

I dont understand how people are stealing domain names to begin with. Are they hacking into accounts or what? They should be locked up imho.

Most commonly, I believe, they are paying with stolen accounts and/or reversing charges. Not only PayPal too, I've been checking some of these hackers sites and they list stolen bank account info too. Anything that is worth any good amount of money has to be escrowed these days.

Spade · 03-08-2008, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by GreenGambler

Most commonly, I believe, they are paying with stolen accounts and/or reversing charges. Not only PayPal too, I've been checking some of these hackers sites and they list stolen bank account info too. Anything that is worth any good amount of money has to be escrowed these days.

In this case it appears to be hacked emails.

Yofie · 03-08-2008, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Spade

In this case it appears to be hacked emails.

Yep, that was the case. It happened to be a Gmail account. Here are some security measures to take while buying a domain from any entity. http://www.dotweekly.com/2008/03/08/...a-domain-name/
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

Even if you are buying a domain listed on a service like SnapNames.com and the whois shows "Senior Account Rep Snapnames.com" means that it's a user submitted domain and still could be a stolen domain. Afternic.com, TDNAM.com, eBay.com, Sedo.com etc all could be places stolen domains can be listed for sale, so do not think just because a domain is listed on one of these sites, that you are "safe".

If you have your account at a registrar, I stronly suggest you use a domain for your email and that email address on your registrar account.

Also, 9MM was in the master mind of this and he was or is a member HERE! I am not fully sure if that is his user name here a not?

***EG.domains*** · 03-08-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Yofie

Also, 9MM was in the master mind of this and he was or is a member HERE! I am not fully sure if that is his user name here a not?

Yes, same username 9MM
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

His NP's account is suspended and i remember seeing his account closed 2 or 3 times before.

Peter · 03-08-2008, 04:29 PM

9MM was permanently banned a few weeks back.

mplswifi · 03-08-2008, 06:12 PM

he was on DNF a week or so ago.. also was a mod at Nameslot.. I questioned their choice and was contacted by another mod (np member) who was going to make the owners aware.. not sure what happened after that.. I knew something was fishy with him the first 10 mins he joined ..was in chat and myself and another member i remember Pm'd each other questioning his motives

XJ · 03-08-2008, 08:08 PM

Ok, so let me ask this then: Say you buy a domain and you use an escrow service. Are you protected, or are you at risk of your investment, i.e. could you lose the domain you bought with the escrow service without getting your money back?

Jake · 03-08-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by EG.domains

Yes, same username 9MM
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

His NP's account is suspended and i remember seeing his account closed 2 or 3 times before.

I almost conducted a mid $XXX sale with him!

Im glad he was banned before I could finish!

Spade · 03-08-2008, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by XJ

Ok, so let me ask this then: Say you buy a domain and you use an escrow service. Are you protected, or are you at risk of your investment, i.e. could you lose the domain you bought with the escrow service without getting your money back?

Correct. If a domain is stolen and the original registrant files grievance with the registrar. The registrar May take the domain name back. Always make sure you use due diligence in making sure who ever is selling you the domain names, actually owns it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

Justin

Yofie · 03-08-2008, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by XJ

Ok, so let me ask this then: Say you buy a domain and you use an escrow service. Are you protected, or are you at risk of your investment, i.e. could you lose the domain you bought with the escrow service without getting your money back?

Nothing is ever 100% safe. You can use escrow and if the domain you purchased was stolen, yes, you will lose the domain, because the rightful owner did not sell it to you and it's also likely you will NOT get your money back either. Here is a recent story of when this happened. It's stated at the bottom of the story about not getting the money back.

Now each case would be unique via Escrow, but you will NOT get your money back most of the time. At times, you can get your money back, but it can be after a very long period of time.

If you are the Seller, the money will be protected the most. So when you are selling, Escrow is near 100% safe route to go.

unclewalter · 03-08-2008, 08:52 PM

I was just wondering is all this scamming recent or has it been around? I recently started domaining in late November. I don't remember seeing all these scams back then, but over the past month or so I've heard about alot of people being scammed.

Yofie · 03-08-2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by unclewalter

I was just wondering is all this scamming recent or has it been around? I recently started domaining in late November. I don't remember seeing all these scams back then, but over the past month or so I've heard about alot of people being scammed.

http://www.out-law.com/page-1630
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

Story from 2001, for Properties.com .

ihatebeans · 03-08-2008, 09:06 PM

Just had an epiphany.

What if escrow is doing all of these scams?
So people will have to use their service.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Spade · 03-08-2008, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by ihatebeans

Just had an epiphany.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

What if escrow is doing all of these scams?
So people will have to use their service.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Unlikely. Escrow only verified transfer of goods. They do not insure that the property is not stolen.

Justin

Charley · 03-09-2008, 08:14 AM

These guys really are sick. Cant they find any better job?

Earthian · 03-09-2008, 12:26 PM

regarding how the scammers do it ...
some of the scams were done through a Gmail exploit ...

some scammers set up some kind of program that when a person visited a site (while being logged-in in his Google account) the program set up a filter in Gmail that redirected emails of the victim to the scammer's email account ...

then he went to the registrar of a good domain of the victim and initiated a forgot-my-password+sent-password-to-email-account procedure ... the email duplicated through the filter ... and the scammer got access to the account at the registrar ... then he transferred the domain(s) to his account (or changed the registrar account password and sold the domains through that account so that no changes would appear in the whois that might alarm prospective buyers) and hastily tried to sell the domains ...

a little after this exploit became known , it was said that Google has somehow closed the exploit ... but , also it is believed that many people that had became victims did not delete the filters in their Gmail account (even after Google mentioned that it stopped the exploit) , therefore their emails were still forwarded) ... if you got a Gmail account , it is a good idea to check your filters ...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941

XJ · 03-09-2008, 06:21 PM

Thanks for the infos. I got one more question: What about domains that sell via sedo and their escrow system? Obviously there is less chance for due diligence. Do you have any insights for that as well?

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Spade NameBio.com Founder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,855	Warning: In Regards to Stolen Domains Within the past 48 hours it came to light that there were some very high end adult domain names being sold on DNF that were in fact stolen. I wont post them here as they may be inappropriate, but a substantial amount of money appears to have been lost (upwards of several hundred thousand). Please be advised to conduct due diligence when buying domain names! Justin __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

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Spade NameBio.com Founder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 7,855	I have posted the domain names that were stolen in the Adult Section, here is a link for those interested: http://www.namepros.com/showthread.p...03#post2600203 __________________ Read my Blog! NameBio.com - Search The Domain Sales Index Buying LLLL.com's ending in "CA"

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Broker Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philly Burbs Posts: 3,199	I dont understand how people are stealing domain names to begin with. Are they hacking into accounts or what? They should be locked up imho.

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mplswifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,172 Follow @BigTicketNames	he was on DNF a week or so ago.. also was a mod at Nameslot.. I questioned their choice and was contacted by another mod (np member) who was going to make the owners aware.. not sure what happened after that.. I knew something was fishy with him the first 10 mins he joined ..was in chat and myself and another member i remember Pm'd each other questioning his motives __________________ BigTicketNames.com Premium Domain Names-Take a look.. RemoveMyJailPic.com Restore your reputation

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XJ NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 95	Ok, so let me ask this then: Say you buy a domain and you use an escrow service. Are you protected, or are you at risk of your investment, i.e. could you lose the domain you bought with the escrow service without getting your money back? __________________ :)

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unclewalter NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 428	I was just wondering is all this scamming recent or has it been around? I recently started domaining in late November. I don't remember seeing all these scams back then, but over the past month or so I've heard about alot of people being scammed. __________________ This used to be my signature. Now it still is.

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ihatebeans NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 472	Just had an epiphany. What if escrow is doing all of these scams? So people will have to use their service. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. __________________ sleep

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Charley Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a 3 Bedroom Flat Â© Posts: 3,691	These guys really are sick. Cant they find any better job? __________________ â€* Did We Know That There Aren't Really Thousands Of Bands Who Might Be Interesting, We Will Get To Deleting All Bands That Aren't In Flames, Cannibal Corpse, Morbid Angel, Deicide â€*

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Earthian NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 919	regarding how the scammers do it ... some of the scams were done through a Gmail exploit ... some scammers set up some kind of program that when a person visited a site (while being logged-in in his Google account) the program set up a filter in Gmail that redirected emails of the victim to the scammer's email account ... then he went to the registrar of a good domain of the victim and initiated a forgot-my-password+sent-password-to-email-account procedure ... the email duplicated through the filter ... and the scammer got access to the account at the registrar ... then he transferred the domain(s) to his account (or changed the registrar account password and sold the domains through that account so that no changes would appear in the whois that might alarm prospective buyers) and hastily tried to sell the domains ... a little after this exploit became known , it was said that Google has somehow closed the exploit ... but , also it is believed that many people that had became victims did not delete the filters in their Gmail account (even after Google mentioned that it stopped the exploit) , therefore their emails were still forwarded) ... if you got a Gmail account , it is a good idea to check your filters ... ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=441941 __________________ ██__________██ ██____e-vj____██ ██__________██ Last edited by Earthian; 03-09-2008 at 12:35 PM.

03-09-2008, 06:21 PM	#25 (permalink)
XJ NamePros Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 95	Thanks for the infos. I got one more question: What about domains that sell via sedo and their escrow system? Obviously there is less chance for due diligence. Do you have any insights for that as well? __________________ :)

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