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![]() | What's the quickest a domain name has propagated for you? I've been setting personal records with ol' Namecheap lately. The last 8 domains I've bought from NameCheap have all propagated within 24 hours, but recently they've been propagating in less than 10. The latest domain I got was propagated in 6 hours or so. Is this normal nowadays? Are domains propagating super fast? It's weird, when I was with DirectNIC domains took around 30 hours but with namecheap they're taking a lot less... Waht's the fastest propagation you've had? |
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![]() | Domains don't "propagate." The time it takes for your domain to start resolving has nothing to do with "propagation," nor does it have anything to do with your registrar or your location. I don't understand where people get this from. |
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It depends on ISP, not the registrar!
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Ok, if you know so much, tell us
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But in fact domains DO propagate although technically its the root DNS files that are propagating. Location does matter. Zone files aren't all updated at the same time. This all depends on the TTL setting in the DNS files. JMHO ![]() Here is a good read for newbies: http://www.serena1.com/internet_info.html Useful links: http://www.dnsreport.com ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/4329-whats-quickest-domain-name-has-propagated.html http://www.dnsstuff.com http://www.domainwhitepages.com | ||||
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![]() ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=4329 I would have to disagree with that comment | ||||
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I think ToastyX is refering to inside-registry distribution system ![]() - from Master nameserver to slave nameservers (which ISPs use for resolving a domain name)
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![]() Newbies, PLEASE do NOT read that. That is NOT how DNS works! Where do people get this stuff? I don't have time to explain how it all works, but the reason "com" and "net" domains take so long to resolve after you register them is because the name servers that delegate "com" and "net" domains only update twice a day. If you register a "us" domain, it will "propagate" much faster because the name servers that delegate "us" domains update every 15 minutes. That has nothing to do with your registrar unless your registrar doesn't do real-time updates. That has nothing to do with your location. That has nothing to do with your ISP. Your ISP doesn't update anything. | ||||
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You mean I've been doing DNS wrong all this time ![]() I've been maintaining servers in the ISP field for 8+ years both Linux and Windoze so I like to think I know a little bit about how DNS works. I realize that the root servers are updated several times a day. But from my experience they don't all update simultaneously. Therefore location can be a factor on the time the domain fully propogates. Yes, thats what I said DOMAIN PROPOGATES. Isn't that why they say it usually takes 24-72 hours? So before you go making me look like I don't know what the phuck I'm talking about do a little research yourself Mr Know-it-All! I like how you show up with guns a blazin telling people they are wrong but "don't have time to explain how it all works" or at least provide resources for the basis of your rigid spew. BTW Welcome to NamePros ![]() Cheers! | ||||
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=4329 You gave a link to a document that is blatantly false. Domains don't propagate like that document claims. That's exactly what I mean when I say domains don't propagate.
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ISP updates EVERY DAY the list of IP locations where the TLD nameservers for each gTLD and ccTLD can be found. Since there are about 200 ccTLDs and around 10 gTLDs, ISP has to have IP location for each gTLD and ccTLD nameserver. When it has correct ns IP, it communicates with the particular nameserver (fe .com ns) in order to get SLD IP location. -> this is called "resolving".
You do not understand the difference between RESOLVING and PROPAGATION. Propagation is the way that DNS records spread throughout the Internet , from Registry (master ns to the slave nameservers) to the ISPs. Resolving, on the other hand, is something that Internet is based on. You use resolving every time you surf, mail etc. Resolving is basically converting domain names into IP addresses!. It is that simple. And saying you don't have time to write something that simple, maybe is just an excuse to make yourself clever, while not knowing much about it.
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | I've had one go in about 2.5hrs The lonest I remmber is about 48+ with sy4.com (although i think that was cause of crapness from the previous domain holders.
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![]() | Let's say you're trying to resolve www.example.com. If the name server(s) (or DNS server(s), same thing) you're using (which is generally your ISP's, but it doesn't have to be; you could run your own or use someone else's) doesn't have the address (A) record for www.example.com cached, it will have to search for the answer. How does it search for the answer? Let's start from scratch. There are 13 root servers: Code: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 198.41.0.4 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 128.9.0.107 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.33.4.12 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 128.8.10.90 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.203.230.10 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.5.5.241 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.112.36.4 H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 128.63.2.53 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.36.148.17 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 192.58.128.30 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 193.0.14.129 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 198.32.64.12 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. has address 202.12.27.33 ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=4329 The root servers will answer: Code: com. 172800 IN NS A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. com. 172800 IN NS M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.5.6.30 B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.33.14.30 C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.26.92.30 D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.31.80.30 E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.12.94.30 F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.35.51.30 G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.42.93.30 H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.54.112.30 I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.43.172.30 J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.48.79.30 K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.52.178.30 L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.41.162.30 M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 172800 IN A 192.55.83.30 Simple explanation: The root servers basically said, "I don't know. Here are the name servers of com and their IP addresses. Ask them. You don't have to ask me for the name servers of com for another two days." The name server you're using now asks the name servers of com for the address (A) record(s) for www.example.com. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=4329 The name servers of com will answer: Code: EXAMPLE.COM. 172800 IN NS a.iana-servers.net. EXAMPLE.COM. 172800 IN NS b.iana-servers.net. a.iana-servers.net. 172800 IN A 192.0.34.43 b.iana-servers.net. 172800 IN A 193.0.0.236 Simple explanation: The name servers of com basically said, "I don't know. Here are the name servers of example.com and their IP addresses. Ask them. You don't have to ask me for the name servers of example.com for another two days." The name server you're using now asks the name servers of example.com for the address (A) record(s) for www.example.com. The name servers of example.com will answer: Code: WWW.EXAMPLE.COM. 172800 IN A 192.0.34.166 Simple explanation: The name servers of example.com basically said, "I know! It's 192.0.34.166! You don't have to ask me for the address of www.example.com for another two days." The name server you're using now "remembers" the address of www.example.com for two days. If it "forgets," it can just go through the same process again. If you register a com domain, the name servers of com are the ones that have to update. Since the name servers of com only update twice a day, you will have to wait until your domain is included before it starts working. Your ISP does not update anything. Nothing "spreads throughout the Internet." Information is gathered as needed. |
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![]() | I have had many websites propogate in SECONDS. That's not a misprint. After changing my nameservers and submittting to Wild West (GoDaddy) the site resolved in seconds, not all the time but sometimes. After the anmeservers are changed I type-in the url and the site pops-up instantly. Perhaps the fact GoDaddy and myself are both in the same city in Arizona is the reason for it. Can't think of another explanation. However, I have also had names reg'd at Tucows resolve in minutes at times, and they are in Toronto Canada, a long way from Arizona!
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