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Old 08-20-2007, 07:43 PM THREAD STARTER               #1 (permalink)
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What is good site to find how much a domain name is worth?


What is good site to find how much a domain name is worth?

To see which would be good to register?

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Entirely depends on the extension, but chances are that if it is a dot com that isn't registered, it probably will need development to make it worth more than reg fee.

Try estibot.com
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Thanks mate,

Also can you let me know some good Reseller domain services? Like cheap, and easy to manage as Im starting a design and hosting business, will be registering alot of domains

need cheap .co.nz, .com.au and .com

I thought asiaregistry.com was good?
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Last week I entered my domain into estibot, it returned a 128K appraisal on a domain that Afternic appraised at 52K, I just ran the name again and it appraised at $4200, I ran it 5 minutes after that and its now showing a value of: Reg Fee.

WHAT A JOKE THESE ARE!
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Hmm sounds pretty bad aye.. lol
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estibot seems pretty good for determining value ... first heard about them at the Domain Roundtable auction ... just ran it again on Baked.com, and it came back with $37K, the same value as before ... and in line with some offers I've received for it ... in the $20K range.

However, the traffic value, which was nominal at $1K, came back as nothing this time ... so a domain that's mostly valued on traffic could likely come up as differing values based on when one checks it on estibot.

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If you want a reliable appraisal, I recommend Moniker 1st, Afternic 2nd and Godaddy 3rd, dont bother with Sedo, they intentionally low ball appraisals in a effort to sell domains so they can reap the commission fee.

I just ran the domain again at Estibot, and its back up to $120K WOW, it gained $120K in value in less than 5 minutes, it pays to hold onto these domains I tell you.
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Estibot is only a few weeks old, it says at the top that it is still in Beta testing. Good for the first cut, then you are on your own.
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pretty much a waste of time, estibot will give a rough estimate. Best advice read the appraisal section here, use some common sense, and find out if the site you reg names at will allows refunds.

I found this on an older thread here it's very worth spending some time doing you own appraisals http://game.namebio.com/
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Also, while using EstiBot, remember to make sure you keep the case of the name the same. ie. GoogleSearchEngine.com vs googlesearchengine.com. Just a hint!
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What good is Estibot if the results are so far OFF the chart? and different results if you wait 5 plus minutes. I just entered another one, SunshineGirl,com

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Value $490? wow! A domain that fetched over 2K at auction and earns over $100 a month, should I cash out now and sell for 4 months revenue?


UPDATE: Estibot now values it at $2200

And I typed in lowercase everytime....Keep entering this domain and you will see how it changes.
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Estibot.com is a work in progress, but youve made a valid point - automated appraisal systems are nothing more than a tool. You cant rely on there validity, but they do give an idea of potential value. Estibot is far from perfect, but it is a useful tool as long as you dont take it too seriously.
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Woah here////

Before you go bashing ANY appraisal service, understand that they are all subject to a condition that is uncontrollable: Human.

What happens if you are asking for an appraisal on RedHeads.com? The appraiser just got slammed by a redheaded woman for being a weenie. So now your domain is regfee, even though it clearly isn't.

The only value of a domain is determined by the buyer and the seller. The price they agree on is what it is worth, at that moment. That value can be determined by many factors----seller's need to raise cash, buyer's desire for the name. Let's say I own ExpertDesigned.com. The name is simple and would be great for a design company. But in the .com days, it hasn't had a nibble. Why? Because no one is interested in THAT name. You can blame it on plenty of things, but it still comes down to simple economics. If you don't have a buyer, you don't have a sale.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=364441

So if you are having a confusing time wondering why people aren't lining up on your door wanting your name, it is because either no one has typed in your combination, or no one is interested in your combination. It isn't anything personal, it's just business.
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It's not an appraisal service, its a program that somebody created to draw in visitors so they could sell other services, Perhaps they can work out the bugs, but until they do, its really worthless and should not be used at all.
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there are none....
all the ones I've seen are crap...

on the other hand... if you read the weekly report over at DNJournal.com
for the names that sell... you'll get an idea of what's up...

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UPDATE: Estibot now values it at $2200

And I typed in lowercase everytime....Keep entering this domain and you will see how it changes.
$2,200 seems like a fair estimate for this domain. Considering it recently sold at $2,000. That's a 10% error....Also EstiBot cannot account for PPC income because there is no way of knowing the income your site makes. The valuation is for the domain name.

The reason it varies is because Overture sometimes returns exact searches and sometimes not. This is a known issue. If I could afford it I would use Wordtracker to get rid of this fluctuation and a host of other problems, but they charge $0.08 per call so that's not an option for me as this is a free service.

Usually if you get varying results for the dollar value, I've found in my testing that the highest is often the most reflective of a domain's known sale price.

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Value $490? wow! A domain that fetched over 2K at auction and earns over $100 a month, should I cash out now and sell for 4 months revenue?
Well, no. There is a big fat disclaimer on the results page saying that you should not.

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Last week I entered my domain into estibot, it returned a 128K appraisal on a domain that Afternic appraised at 52K
Not so bad. How do you know which one is correct until you sell the name?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=364441

Looks like you got pretty good appraisals from EstiBot, even though it was a bit buggy and returned some fluctuating results. Those can be fixed, but I'm just working on it.

Naturally, if you don't find EstiBot helpful, don't use it. Also if you already know the value of your domain, then you won't need an appraisal. On the website I've extensively discussed its limitations and emphasized the role of the domain owner in valuing his/her own name.

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I emphasize that while EstiBot more often than not hits the right ballpark, some individual estimates may be quite a bit off, and as the beta testing proceeds, I get reports of these errors and try to fix them. An automatic valuator will never be able to account for everything, because a domain's value is not a scientific absolute, but depends on the motivation of both the seller and the buyer.
It's a work in progress, a tool that provides relevant keyword data at-a-glance, and is very much limited by services such as Overture, Yahoo and Alexa. Because it's free, I cannot buy any paid services. If it ever starts making money beyond covering its own dedicated server fee, I'll put the money to use and buy some keyword services to make it better.
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It's not an appraisal service, its a program that somebody created to draw in visitors so they could sell other services
Er... since when was it a bad thing to develop and monetize websites? Strange comment especially coming from a member of a community packed with webmasters
and domainers trying to do just that.

Anyway, you are quite wrong about the motives and I resent your claim that I created it "to draw in visitors and sell other services". That was not why I created it, and how can you state something like that like it was some fact? I spend countless hours trying to figure out how to appraise domains mathematically for my own purposes, and once I felt I had a reasonable algorithm I decided to release it as a free site for beta testing. That I try to monetize the traffic is only natural. After all, I've put in more than 500 hours of work into it, and the dedicated server costs money, too.

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Perhaps they can work out the bugs, but until they do, its really worthless and should not be used at all.
Thanks. However I'm happy to say that a lot of people use it, and as it is in BETA testing I rely on people using it and reporting to me the bugs and funny appraisals - otherwise I can't make it better.
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Thanks Josh for explaining the fluctuating results caused by Overture. From all the automatic appraisal tools Estibot looks like the most reliable one - at least the price range has always been right.

My guess is Lara Croft is just bashing Estibot for no reason.
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From all the automatic appraisal tools Estibot looks like the most reliable one - at least the price range has always been right.
And it's in BETA.

Nice work thus far Josh
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The one that brings you an offer for that amount.

I really don't believe in "appraisals" on domain names. At least not in the sense you appraise real estate, cars, or other items. I'm not saying domains don't have value, it just isn't stable enough to give what I'd call an appraisal. I don't care how good or bad the name, you'll get figures fluctuating by a factor of 10 to 10,000 from each other. Any type of automated system would have to be extremely flawed since there are too many subjective factors that have to be considered to properly evaluate.

Thinking about car or real estate appraisals, most are made based on comparables of real data of the same model,year, type, size, location, etc. Most are made based on what it might bring in a reasonable sales period such as a few weeks for a car, or maybe up to a year or so for real estate. I think a lot of domain appraisals are done with a pie in the sky approach as to what it would bring if held until the one perfect buyer finds and needs it and there is not time constraint to sell it. A better approach would be to appraise a domain as to what it might go for in a 30 day auction with no reserve. but who would want to see or much less pay for that opinion.
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There really isn't any standard in domains for doing appraisals. There are no two exactly alike, so comparisons are difficult. Only a small fraction of sales are actually reported. Some reported sales include websites, companies, monetized traffic, TM's or something other than just a domain name. Most appraisers have little real expertise as a buyer or seller themselves. Anyone who appraises a name at an actual figure is making it up. A better approach would be a range of lowest value in worst case to highest value in best case. At least most appraisers here give non-specific values such as high $XX,XXX instead of $78,000 which was obviously made up.

I myself have never paid for an appraisal. In the last several years, I've never even asked for a free opinion of an appraisal. I got caught up in the beginning with (free afternic member) appraisals thinking I might actually get rich with 6 figure appraisals, and priced my domains that way, but never sold any. Now that I know that's false hope, I price my domains reasonably and actually make a profit now.

Anyone who asks for a free appraisal is probably not getting much more than they paid for. anyone who pays for an appraisal, is likely just paying someone to tell them what they want to hear, so they'll come back and pay for more appraisals. If a real estate or car appraiser gave a figure and you offered to sell it to them for 25% of that price, most would buy in a minute because they know they can back their claim. Next time you get an appraisal on a domain, offer it to the appraiser for 25% or even 15% of the appraisal and see what happens. There's also know certification or formal training for a domain appraiser, so anyone can give their opinion and call it an appraisal with no hard facts to back it up.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=364441

With free appraisals you also have to think about the appraiser. Do they want to appraise low to buy it cheap or hope you'll drop it? Do they want to appraise high because they have similar names, or high because they want the market to perceive higher sales prices bringing their values up?

I don't intend to offend any appraisers or appraisees. This is just my own observation after doing this for a while. I guess I'm a little cynical on this subject.
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Looks like you got pretty good appraisals from EstiBot,
I dont think so;

Estibot: 3 appraisals

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2) $...4,200
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Naturally, if you don't find EstiBot helpful, don't use it. Also if you already know the value of your domain, then you won't need an appraisal.
I dont use it, I post my evaluation for the benefit of other members by testing a domain that had certified appraisals.
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Er... since when was it a bad thing to develop and monetize websites?
I never stated that it was.

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Anyway, you are quite wrong about the motives and I resent your claim that I created it "to draw in visitors and sell other services". That was not why I created it, and how can you state something like that like it was some fact? .
If I'm wrong, then why did you create it? I was simply stating the obvious, you have a program that delivers appraisals way off the chart, which leads to a button "Get an official Sedo appraisal", Another words, "My appraisal program is so unreliable you should buy one from Sedo instead", you dont see anything wrong with that?

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I evaluated the service and gave my opinion, if you dont understand the difference between that and "bashing", you should learn what the word means before using it.
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In comparing some sales i have seen, And Estibots appraisals, Estibot is pretty accurate, I think Estibot is a good valuator tool, If you want to get a general ball park idea of what your domain name BY ITSELF is worth, You have to equate the revenue that a name earnes yourself, That is no big deal.

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Estibot.com is a work in progress, but youve made a valid point - automated appraisal systems are nothing more than a tool. You cant rely on there validity, but they do give an idea of potential value. Estibot is far from perfect, but it is a useful tool as long as you dont take it too seriously.
Congrats on selling Dreamdesign.com for 5K, I know you expected more for it and righfully so, it was a domain I attempted to purchase from you, For the fun of it, I entered it into estibot. When appraisals are this far off, I disagree with anyone who describes it as a tool.
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DreamDesign is a brandable domain. A software appraising tool cannot see a domain as an image, so (as Josh points out in the site somewhere) brandable names are not well served by estibot. One of several things a free software tool cannot be expected to do.

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Computers understand numbers, those numbers are nothing special. The value of DreamDesign is not in the numbers.

Estibot also can overvalue a domain due to inflated numbers that do not reflect on the domain's value, a trademark, for example. As I said before Estibot is useful for the first cut, then you have to do your own research.
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