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Old 12-07-2006, 09:29 AM   · #1
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Are you in Danger of losing your Generic .IN Domains?

Based on the discussion in the thread
http://www.namepros.com/domain-name...ht=indiaportals

I contacted Chris about his Business.in & Web.in domain names.
Aparetntly, he and his friend Daniel (owner of Jobs.in) has lost many of their generic domains in the Domain Dispute Resolution.

Here is the list of generic names lost in INDRP Dispute Decisions
jobs.in
web.in
business.in
internet.in
isp.in
computer.in
hotels.in


In the JOBS.IN Case the Complainant (Jagdish Purohit of Indiapress.org) Claims that he holds Trademark for “Jobs” and has applied for Service mark due to his usage of subdomain name Jobs.in.Indiapress.org

In the HOTELS.IN Case the complainant (DirectI Parent company of Skenzo.com the Paid Parking program) claims Hotels.in has been monitorzing using parked program and that they have right to the name because they have HOTEL.IN.DirectI.com subdomain and Hotel.IN
Its like the pot calling the kettle black and winning the case.

The entire list of domains lost in dispute can be seen here
http://www.inregistry.in/policies/d...pute_decisions/
Most are genuine, but I do not agree with the resolution of generic domain names.

My advise to fellow domainers is, if you hold a premium keyword generic name, as a 1st step remove the "For Sale" posting immediatly.


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Old 12-07-2006, 09:32 AM   · #2
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In most case for the generic names, the Complainant was Jagdish Purohit (Indiapress.org) Apparently, he holds Trademark for "Jobs" and has applied for Service mark due to his usage of subdomain name Jobs.in.Indiapress.org



Thanks for the heads-up. A whole series of unprofessional and wrong-headed decisions, basically implying that having a domain and intending to resell is bad faith.

In the case of Internet.in, they said that both parties were wrong and simply confiscated the domain without giving it to the complainant.

Looks like Mr. Jagdish Purohit is pulling a very dirty trick by creating trademarks for subdomains and using that as his leverage:
jobs.in.indiapress.org
business.in.indiapress.org

Notice that he hasn't won any co.in decisions.

Also, from the Jobs.in decision:

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so the domain hijacker gets the benefit of the doubt...

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I agree completely with the Fonz... Investing in any ccTLD brings inherent risks. From what I've seen a lot (maybe all?) have their own dispute resolution policies, so you're at the mercy of said governing body and their rules and interpretations. This is true with any dispute, even .coms, but there is more precedance and other legal remedies available for the TLDs. You also have to worry about corruption in less stable countries, whether by government, the extension operators, whatever... If the Chinese government wants your xxxxx.cn, i'd say they're not gonna ask your permission before doing it, or offer dispute resolution
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Sounds to me like some people at INDRP are getting thier palms greased for awarding the names to the "highest bidder".
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Agreed - these decisions stink of corruption.

Time to develop the best generics, or at least stop parking and advertising them.
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Old 12-07-2006, 12:37 PM   · #9
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I visited the subdomains mentioned in the original post and this is what I found:

jobs.in.indiapress.org:

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SITE IS UNDER MAINTENANCE
SITE WILL BE ONLINE BY 29-4-2004



HOTELS.IN.DirectI.com:

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Site cannot be found




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Old 12-07-2006, 12:47 PM   · #10
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Looks like it's just the beginning, guys !
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Originally Posted by taheny

HOTELS.IN.DirectI.com:




???????????????



Try HOTEL.IN.DirectI.com
DirectI's claim is since they own Hotel.In and HOTEL.IN.DirectI.com they should be the rightful owner of Hotels.in .
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It looks like IndiaPress.org ( Or is it part of the registry?) may have been created as a front for holding generics that appear to have been "hijacked "- smells of something nasty.

Similar things happened at the .co.in premium names post landrush "non auction" I am just waiting to see where some of these reclaimed names end up to see if it all comes together and my long time suspicions are confirmed.

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Lots of bad news in these cases but on the bright side:

1) We've learnt NEVER EVER to do business with anyone representing Indiapress.org or Directi. Whos to say they aren't making an offer simply to prove bad faith?

2) people don't go to court over bad domains. If you have LV.com you have a good chance of getting sued. if you have BGSFHFJVBN.biz no-ones going to bother with you. It could show that people are getting serious about the Indian domain space.

3) the upside of being part of a market with billions of potential customers still outweighs the risk of losing some domains.

4) Gives everyone an incentive - develop, develop, develop
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I've got a sizeable investment in the Indian namespace myself, so this interests me.

Something else I recently noticed....

Police.in
FreeHosting.in
Private.in
Connection.in

I own the .Co.in for those (via purchases and drop catches), but all those .IN versions are now owned by "eNom Traffic". There are more examples of this, but those 4 are fresh on my mind.
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156, Jagdish Purohit, Jagdish Purohit, Business Solutions, Accrediated .IN Registrar, India.

And as atzofb2b pointed out to me, check out Business.info

Worth a bit of digging here methinks.
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I wrote to eNom Traffic inquiring about purchasing one of the .IN's that I hold the .Co.in for, and I got a friendly reply saying the name was not for sale. I wrote back saying my budget was "healthy", and got no further reply.

I suppose we should be flattered that eNom wants a piece of the Indian pie too.

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I wrote to eNom Traffic inquiring about purchasing one of the .IN's that I hold the .Co.in for, and I got a friendly reply saying the name was not for sale. I wrote back saying my budget was "healthy", and got no further reply.

I suppose we should be flattered that eNom wants a piece of the Indian pie too.





Not healthy enough for them

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A finger in the pie


Yep, lol.

I sure wish I could tell if they are getting any traffic on those IN's, and how much.
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I ran a check today and business.in came up with the following whois.

Confiscation by the registrar complete:

Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT HOLD
Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED
Status:INACTIVE
Registrant ID:R-R04123027459
Registrant Name:National Internet Exchange of India
Registrant Street1:Registered Office
Registrant City:New Delhi
Registrant State/Provinceelhi
Registrant Postal Code:110019
Registrant Country:IN
Registrant Phone:+91.1124361609
Registrant Email:info@nixi.org.in
Admin ID:R-R04123027459
Admin Name:National Internet Exchange of India
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Admin City:New Delhi
Admin State/Provinceelhi
Admin Postal Code:110019
Admin Country:IN
Admin Phone:+91.1124361609
Admin Email:info@nixi.org.in
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As indicated in INDRP case
Business.IN (I verified it with Chris, INDRP Points wrong Case),
Internet.IN and
ISP.IN were Confiscated
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