New uses for TLD's?

AdoptableDomains · 03-06-2004, 08:44 PM

With a new round of sTLD's later this year, and new gTLD's next year, I thought I'd open a discussion about new uses for TLD's.

When the original TLD's were created, they were intended for specific uses to subdivide the internet by user type. COM for Commercial users, ORG for non-profit organizations, NET for Networking, MIL for military, EDU as educationional, and GOV for government. Eventually the ccTLDs to divice by country/language. Obviously things grew fast and quick to the point COM didn't have enough flexibility and things spilled over to NET/ORG. Also, COM became the defacto standard, so even non-profits and network companies wanted the COM standard.
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Before search engines and directories, this was very necessary. For a while, the seach/directories almost made this unnecessary. Now with the billions of resources on the interent, it may be necessary again to subdivide the the internet in some real ways to help find things.

I think just adding new gTLD's openly is kind of boring and redundant at this point. I also think there are other ways to subdivide the internet than organization type or country. Here are a couple innnovative TLD ideas I think might work below. I wondered what other NEW uses and Ideas for TLD's you may think of in brainstorming. To succeed, some would need to have restrictions of site conformance to the specific use or even new protocols. Many would have to be sponsored to work. Anyway, here are some of my thoughts.

.PDA - domains only for websites designed for PDA's. a PDA surfer could be safe in going to a .pda site knowing it would fit his smaller PDA screen size and have PDA browser only features supported.

.CEL - Similar to the above, but designed specifically for the even smaller cellular phone screens. May also have hyper-dialing of links so that the phone could make calls from .cel web links similar to email links. Click a link to "IM" to the cell phone via voice or text messaging.

.GPS or .LOC - Websites and browers tied to GPS locating systems. when in the vicinity of a site, the screen shows updated lists of nearby businesses or recreational sites clickable for menus, show times, directions, etc. Advance GPS devices could output to PDA like screens of sites within a certain selectable and specified ranges. Alternately, enter latitude#.longitude#.gps and find any website that corresponds to that location be it business, personal, government, or recreational. Think of the real estate possibilities.
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.VPN - Virtual private network domains only accessible with secure VPN tunnels. Could be protocol or secure key based to further separate secure intranets from normal public internet traffic, while using the same broadband connections.

.NUM - A more open approach to the enum initiative. Specific number sets and separations could be assigned for different purposes. for example xxx-xxx-xxx-xxxx.num could be assigned equal to phone numbers. zip+4 codes (in US) could be assigned to XXXXX-XXXX.num showing a page of websites assocated with that area. different types of number systems could be assigned and separated by dashes. Canadian postal codes could be XXX-XXX.num, etc. Enter a product UPC code and go to the company that makes it. xx-xxxxxx could be for corporate tax id numbers pointin to a company website. This could be used for many types of universal number systems. These could be separately hosted or just pointed to product pages on normal websites.

.AUDIO - voice enabled websites for visually impaired or just a different protocol for sending audio only to computers and other devices. Like websites enabled for voice activated response. Might work for satellite based radio feeds like the XM radios.

By having different ways of finding data on the internet, a company or person could have multiple types of TLD's that could often point to the same place, but use a different channel to get there depending on what you know about them.

Feel free t reply with more. Maybe someone with the money and knowhow will try something a little different with TLD's in the future.

passini · 03-06-2004, 09:04 PM

In my opinion the TLD that are available at the moment are enough. The problem is that they are not used for the right reasons... Some years ago my brother was very very sick and it was not funny to search for and see a cancer hospital (center) with the .com TLD (there should not be nothing commercial in deseases...). About porno sites I think the best way will be to see them all with the .xxx TLD.

Anthony · 03-06-2004, 09:11 PM

Mark --

I appreciate the thought you put into new TLDs and I think some of your ideas would be beneficial, like .PDA, for instance. However, something like .NUM would just confuse things. URLs are converted into letters to reduce the confusion of IP numeric addresses.

Actually, adding a whole lot of TLDs for specific purposes may actually confuse things further, when some functions can just be added to already established .com sites. Good ideas, though.

AdoptableDomains · 03-06-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony
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However, something like .NUM would just confuse things. URLs are converted into letters to reduce the confusion of IP numeric addresses.

Something similar is already in the works, but designed for the world telephone system only. http://enum.org/ Neustar is managing it.

My point is not to use numbers as primary means of access, but to further classify the internet and find alternate ways to get to specific sites or data quickly.

Quote:

Originally posted by Anthony

Actually, adding a whole lot of TLDs for specific purposes may actually confuse things further, when some functions can just be added to already established .com sites. Good ideas, though.

The idea is to find easier and more direct ways to get information than seaching 3-4 billion pages in Google and hoping the ones you want are in the top 3 pages or have sponsored links. More of a cross refernce to existing websites than a general website.

g0ldy · 03-07-2004, 01:24 AM

the new ones dont really open up as much "channels" as the major tlds..

nicholas · 03-07-2004, 02:06 AM

nice post Mark. With most of the early tld's getting saturated (and as mentioned above, many not for the intended reasons), the net could indeed benefit from more tlds that would free up some "space" ... however, I reckon it would easily get saturated as quickly anyways, given that many domain sellers and speculators would immediately snap up names in the new tld's too.

Domainerz · 03-07-2004, 05:23 AM

To date about 34.5 million domains were registered so far out of which more than 22 millions were dropped, obviously due to 'No potential use or disposal'. If we spread the remainder domains over population of the world, 'One domain can be allocated to approximately 400 persons of the world'. Whether this number proves something else or not but surely we can see that there's already a mess of domains there.
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Unless some standards are devised to maintain 'Quality' of domains to be registered, this mess would remain there, rather it would multiply manifold with the launch of new gTLDs. Further, surely new gTLDs are neede to create clear-cut classifications but unless already created mess is cleared, new tlds would worsen the situation. On the other hand laws of free-trade and free-choice are there in the way which may restrict any action by the ICANN or Registries in this respect. For example, no one should stop anybody to register, say, 'Japan.us'..!!! though it may seem a useless name to many but it's still the choice of registrant. In the end, the whole matter proves to be much much more complex then it looks.

-OutlawBiker- · 03-07-2004, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by passini
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In my opinion the TLD that are available at the moment are enough. The problem is that they are not used for the right reasons... Some years ago my brother was very very sick and it was not funny to search for and see a cancer hospital (center) with the .com TLD (there should not be nothing commercial in deseases...). About porno sites I think the best way will be to see them all with the .xxx TLD.

Agree strongly!

AdoptableDomains · 03-21-2004, 07:10 PM

Looks like my views on new TLD's was not too off the mark. 4 out of 10 of the new TLD proposals are for somewhat totally new uses of the DNS namespace (.mail, .post, .tel, .tel), two subdivide by culture and language (.cat and .asia), and one by adult content (.xxx)

.mail - a behind the scenes spam free domain for email servers. If you have mydomain.com, you "spamfree" email servers could be mydomain.com.mail

.post - a postal naming numbering convention. A postal address may be mypostoffice-usa.post.

.tel - (two proposers) Basically the enum proposal where international phone number 011-123-345-6789 would be 0.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.1.1.0.tel (backwards with dots) for use in devices, not web browser address bars.

Just thought I'd follow up on this post from a while back.
http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...nt-19mar04.htm

Anthony · 03-22-2004, 12:10 AM

I don't get the purpose of .mail, nor .post, nor .tel, but they would probably be better than uses for .xxx...

03-06-2004, 08:44 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
AdoptableDomains Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,027	New uses for TLD's? With a new round of sTLD's later this year, and new gTLD's next year, I thought I'd open a discussion about new uses for TLD's. When the original TLD's were created, they were intended for specific uses to subdivide the internet by user type. COM for Commercial users, ORG for non-profit organizations, NET for Networking, MIL for military, EDU as educationional, and GOV for government. Eventually the ccTLDs to divice by country/language. Obviously things grew fast and quick to the point COM didn't have enough flexibility and things spilled over to NET/ORG. Also, COM became the defacto standard, so even non-profits and network companies wanted the COM standard. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/22778-new-uses-for-tlds.html Before search engines and directories, this was very necessary. For a while, the seach/directories almost made this unnecessary. Now with the billions of resources on the interent, it may be necessary again to subdivide the the internet in some real ways to help find things. I think just adding new gTLD's openly is kind of boring and redundant at this point. I also think there are other ways to subdivide the internet than organization type or country. Here are a couple innnovative TLD ideas I think might work below. I wondered what other NEW uses and Ideas for TLD's you may think of in brainstorming. To succeed, some would need to have restrictions of site conformance to the specific use or even new protocols. Many would have to be sponsored to work. Anyway, here are some of my thoughts. .PDA - domains only for websites designed for PDA's. a PDA surfer could be safe in going to a .pda site knowing it would fit his smaller PDA screen size and have PDA browser only features supported. .CEL - Similar to the above, but designed specifically for the even smaller cellular phone screens. May also have hyper-dialing of links so that the phone could make calls from .cel web links similar to email links. Click a link to "IM" to the cell phone via voice or text messaging. .GPS or .LOC - Websites and browers tied to GPS locating systems. when in the vicinity of a site, the screen shows updated lists of nearby businesses or recreational sites clickable for menus, show times, directions, etc. Advance GPS devices could output to PDA like screens of sites within a certain selectable and specified ranges. Alternately, enter latitude#.longitude#.gps and find any website that corresponds to that location be it business, personal, government, or recreational. Think of the real estate possibilities. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=22778 .VPN - Virtual private network domains only accessible with secure VPN tunnels. Could be protocol or secure key based to further separate secure intranets from normal public internet traffic, while using the same broadband connections. .NUM - A more open approach to the enum initiative. Specific number sets and separations could be assigned for different purposes. for example xxx-xxx-xxx-xxxx.num could be assigned equal to phone numbers. zip+4 codes (in US) could be assigned to XXXXX-XXXX.num showing a page of websites assocated with that area. different types of number systems could be assigned and separated by dashes. Canadian postal codes could be XXX-XXX.num, etc. Enter a product UPC code and go to the company that makes it. xx-xxxxxx could be for corporate tax id numbers pointin to a company website. This could be used for many types of universal number systems. These could be separately hosted or just pointed to product pages on normal websites. .AUDIO - voice enabled websites for visually impaired or just a different protocol for sending audio only to computers and other devices. Like websites enabled for voice activated response. Might work for satellite based radio feeds like the XM radios. By having different ways of finding data on the internet, a company or person could have multiple types of TLD's that could often point to the same place, but use a different channel to get there depending on what you know about them. Feel free t reply with more. Maybe someone with the money and knowhow will try something a little different with TLD's in the future. __________________ AdoptableDomains.com ~~~~~Finding Good Homes for Good Names~~~~~ FuelPrices.mobi - Fish.us - ManhattanNewYork.net - Salesmen.info - SoundSystems.org Dickering.com - JobPlacement.biz - LotteryTickets.ws - Deleted.cc - Names.im - MP3.hn

03-07-2004, 02:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
nicholas NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: The Beach Posts: 584	nice post Mark. With most of the early tld's getting saturated (and as mentioned above, many not for the intended reasons), the net could indeed benefit from more tlds that would free up some "space" ... however, I reckon it would easily get saturated as quickly anyways, given that many domain sellers and speculators would immediately snap up names in the new tld's too. __________________ Newsback.com -- Commentary and backstories of the news -----------------------------------------------

03-21-2004, 07:10 PM	THREAD STARTER #9 (permalink)
AdoptableDomains Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,027	Looks like my views on new TLD's was not too off the mark. 4 out of 10 of the new TLD proposals are for somewhat totally new uses of the DNS namespace (.mail, .post, .tel, .tel), two subdivide by culture and language (.cat and .asia), and one by adult content (.xxx) .mail - a behind the scenes spam free domain for email servers. If you have mydomain.com, you "spamfree" email servers could be mydomain.com.mail .post - a postal naming numbering convention. A postal address may be mypostoffice-usa.post. .tel - (two proposers) Basically the enum proposal where international phone number 011-123-345-6789 would be 0.9.8.7.6.5.4.3.2.1.1.1.0.tel (backwards with dots) for use in devices, not web browser address bars. Just thought I'd follow up on this post from a while back. http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...nt-19mar04.htm __________________ AdoptableDomains.com ~~~~~Finding Good Homes for Good Names~~~~~ FuelPrices.mobi - Fish.us - ManhattanNewYork.net - Salesmen.info - SoundSystems.org Dickering.com - JobPlacement.biz - LotteryTickets.ws - Deleted.cc - Names.im - MP3.hn

03-06-2004, 09:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
passini NamePros Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: .it Posts: 49	In my opinion the TLD that are available at the moment are enough. The problem is that they are not used for the right reasons... Some years ago my brother was very very sick and it was not funny to search for and see a cancer hospital (center) with the .com TLD (there should not be nothing commercial in deseases...). About porno sites I think the best way will be to see them all with the .xxx TLD.

03-06-2004, 09:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,134	Mark -- I appreciate the thought you put into new TLDs and I think some of your ideas would be beneficial, like .PDA, for instance. However, something like .NUM would just confuse things. URLs are converted into letters to reduce the confusion of IP numeric addresses. Actually, adding a whole lot of TLDs for specific purposes may actually confuse things further, when some functions can just be added to already established .com sites. Good ideas, though.

03-07-2004, 01:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
g0ldy Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,143	the new ones dont really open up as much "channels" as the major tlds..

03-07-2004, 05:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
Domainerz NamePros Regular Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: hyd-pk Posts: 300	To date about 34.5 million domains were registered so far out of which more than 22 millions were dropped, obviously due to 'No potential use or disposal'. If we spread the remainder domains over population of the world, 'One domain can be allocated to approximately 400 persons of the world'. Whether this number proves something else or not but surely we can see that there's already a mess of domains there. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=22778 Unless some standards are devised to maintain 'Quality' of domains to be registered, this mess would remain there, rather it would multiply manifold with the launch of new gTLDs. Further, surely new gTLDs are neede to create clear-cut classifications but unless already created mess is cleared, new tlds would worsen the situation. On the other hand laws of free-trade and free-choice are there in the way which may restrict any action by the ICANN or Registries in this respect. For example, no one should stop anybody to register, say, 'Japan.us'..!!! though it may seem a useless name to many but it's still the choice of registrant. In the end, the whole matter proves to be much much more complex then it looks.

03-22-2004, 12:10 AM	#10 (permalink)
Anthony NamePros Expert Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 9,134	I don't get the purpose of .mail, nor .post, nor .tel, but they would probably be better than uses for .xxx...

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