Yahoo and Dmoz Listings

ezimedia · 12-26-2003, 07:57 PM

HI All

I have a question you, ?

If an expired domain name has a Yahoo or Dmoz listing is it worth more then if it did not,

And if it is worth more, Then how much more value does a Yahoo or Dmoz listing add to the value of the domain name,

How do you personally value a listing in Yahoo or Dmoz for expired an domain name.

Thanks for any help

Tom Dahne

armstrong · 12-26-2003, 08:14 PM

Yahoo and DMOZ listings add some value, but this added value is very limited (very low $XX) because:

- I don't see a lot of traffic even from my own Yahoo directory listings.
- DMOZ listings are relatively easy to get, and are still free.
- There are a lot of expired domains with Yahoo and DMOZ listings.

DomainOgre · 12-26-2003, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by armstrong
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Yahoo and DMOZ listings add some value, but this added value is very limited (very low $XX) because:

- I don't see a lot of traffic even from my own Yahoo directory listings.
- DMOZ listings are relatively easy to get, and are still free.
- There are a lot of expired domains with Yahoo and DMOZ listings.

Low $XX even if its in a retail category on Yahoo?

armstrong · 12-26-2003, 09:44 PM

I don't get a lot of traffic from my retail directory listings. If there is a way to accurately gauge traffic from a particular Yahoo directory listing, then I could change my mind. But right now, it seems 99+% of my traffic comes from type-ins, partner sites, PPC, and yahoo and google searches. Less than 1% comes from directory listings.

Also, Yahoo now has annual listing fees for new submissions. While a site submitted under the old one-time fee setup will have more value, I don't see how one differentiate it from a listing with an annual fee.

DomainOgre · 12-26-2003, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by armstrong
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... a site submitted under the old one-time fee setup will have more value

Thats what I was refering too. It should be worth a little more because it costs a few hundred to get in there now. Of course it does not make a domain great by itself, but it can help some if its a domain you would want to develop.

highpr · 12-26-2003, 10:27 PM

I have a different perspective on this issue. There are a couple of things that might make a Yahoo! or dmoz listed domain more valuable than a similar non-Yahoo! or dmoz listed domain.

1. A business related Yahoo! listing is $299. So if you obtain a previously listed domain through expiration - you've saved $299.

2. If you have a commercial Yahoo! listing, you're sure to be picked up by Google. In fact, Google actually mentions Yahoo! directory listing and dmoz on it's website as a good first step in getting spidered by Google (I copied their language below):

What else can I do to get listed in Google?

Google partners on the Web include Yahoo! and Netscape. If you are having difficulty getting listed in the Google index, you may want to consider submitting your site to either or both of these directories. You can submit to Yahoo! by visiting http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/. You can submit your site to Netscape's Open Directory Project (DMOZ) by visiting www.dmoz.org. Once your site is included in either of these directories, Google will often index your site within six to eight weeks.
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3. Yahoo! can be a POWERFUL traffic driver. Sure, if you have some obscure listing in the middle of a long list - it may not drive tons of traffic.

But a good listing can launch a whole business. Also - being listed in the correct category in Yahoo! affords you the opportunity to advertise in their 'Sponsored Listing' section (not Overture results) at the top of the directory. You can ONLY advertise in the section that your listing is in.

4. If a site is Yahoo! or dmoz listed it is more likely to have 2 other important attributes that contribute to a domain's value:

*High link popularity and,
*High Google page rank

So - A Yahoo! or dmoz listing may not be the definitive attribute to determine an expired domain's value, but it's one positive indicator.

armstrong · 12-26-2003, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DomainOgre
Thats what I was refering too. It should be worth a little more because it costs a few hundred to get in there now. Of course it does not make a domain great by itself, but it can help some if its a domain you would want to develop.

But how can you tell what kind of listing it has? Do you just take the seller at his word?

Evilhaider · 12-27-2003, 04:55 PM

Armstrong: I'm sure you could just go through the directory where the domain is *supposed* to be listed according to the seller and check it out for yourself. They can't fake that. If he says it's in "pet supplies" on the 1st page, you can just browse through it and look for it.

highpr · 12-27-2003, 05:39 PM

You simply type the name into the Yahoo! directory and check the directory listing. For example:

setla.com is set to drop on December 30, 2003.

Type 'setla.com' into Yahoo! with the 'directory' tab selected, and you'll see this result:
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Sony Entertainment Television in Latin America
Category: Television > Argentina
www.setla.com/

You can then hot link through to the category - in this case - Television > Argentina and see the actual listing for the domain:

SITE LISTINGS

Arte RadioTelevisivo Argentino - broadcaster and TV producer: Channel 13, Volver, and Todo Noticias.
Cablevideo S.A. - red de televisión por cable.
Sony Entertainment Television in Latin America
TVFuego S.A. - canal de cable.

As far as I know there is NO WAY to "fake" this. Hope this helps.

armstrong · 12-27-2003, 06:04 PM

What I mean is - how can you tell the difference between an older, permanent Yahoo listing vs. a newer one that has an annual fee? If part of your purchasing decision is the existence of a Yahoo listing, wouldn't it suck to find out that the listing expires in a week? Then if you want to keep the listing for another year, you'll have to fork out $299.

DomainOgre · 12-27-2003, 06:29 PM

A good indication is how long has been developed. If its fairly new, then its probably an annual fee. If its 3 years or older then its a good chance it will stay in it as long as it has a site on it in the same field.

12-26-2003, 07:57 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
ezimedia Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IllawarraClassifieds.com.au Posts: 2,361 Follow @ezimedia	Yahoo and Dmoz Listings HI All I have a question you, ? If an expired domain name has a Yahoo or Dmoz listing is it worth more then if it did not, And if it is worth more, Then how much more value does a Yahoo or Dmoz listing add to the value of the domain name, How do you personally value a listing in Yahoo or Dmoz for expired an domain name. Thanks for any help Tom Dahne __________________ My Domains @ Bido.com - Take a LOOK and Vote Or Bid Free Directory Submitter - More Free Seo Tools - Free Forum Poster Software

12-26-2003, 08:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
armstrong Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,025	Yahoo and DMOZ listings add some value, but this added value is very limited (very low $XX) because: - I don't see a lot of traffic even from my own Yahoo directory listings. - DMOZ listings are relatively easy to get, and are still free. - There are a lot of expired domains with Yahoo and DMOZ listings. __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

12-26-2003, 09:44 PM	#4 (permalink)
armstrong Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,025	I don't get a lot of traffic from my retail directory listings. If there is a way to accurately gauge traffic from a particular Yahoo directory listing, then I could change my mind. But right now, it seems 99+% of my traffic comes from type-ins, partner sites, PPC, and yahoo and google searches. Less than 1% comes from directory listings. Also, Yahoo now has annual listing fees for new submissions. While a site submitted under the old one-time fee setup will have more value, I don't see how one differentiate it from a listing with an annual fee. __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

12-26-2003, 10:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
highpr NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 28	I have a different perspective on this issue. There are a couple of things that might make a Yahoo! or dmoz listed domain more valuable than a similar non-Yahoo! or dmoz listed domain. 1. A business related Yahoo! listing is $299. So if you obtain a previously listed domain through expiration - you've saved $299. 2. If you have a commercial Yahoo! listing, you're sure to be picked up by Google. In fact, Google actually mentions Yahoo! directory listing and dmoz on it's website as a good first step in getting spidered by Google (I copied their language below): What else can I do to get listed in Google? Google partners on the Web include Yahoo! and Netscape. If you are having difficulty getting listed in the Google index, you may want to consider submitting your site to either or both of these directories. You can submit to Yahoo! by visiting http://docs.yahoo.com/info/suggest/. You can submit your site to Netscape's Open Directory Project (DMOZ) by visiting www.dmoz.org. Once your site is included in either of these directories, Google will often index your site within six to eight weeks. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=14290 3. Yahoo! can be a POWERFUL traffic driver. Sure, if you have some obscure listing in the middle of a long list - it may not drive tons of traffic. But a good listing can launch a whole business. Also - being listed in the correct category in Yahoo! affords you the opportunity to advertise in their 'Sponsored Listing' section (not Overture results) at the top of the directory. You can ONLY advertise in the section that your listing is in. 4. If a site is Yahoo! or dmoz listed it is more likely to have 2 other important attributes that contribute to a domain's value: High link popularity and, High Google page rank So - A Yahoo! or dmoz listing may not be the definitive attribute to determine an expired domain's value, but it's one positive indicator. __________________ www.cpureview.com Web Hosting Directory Webmaster Resources Expired Domains with Traffic

12-27-2003, 04:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Evilhaider NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 252	Armstrong: I'm sure you could just go through the directory where the domain is supposed to be listed according to the seller and check it out for yourself. They can't fake that. If he says it's in "pet supplies" on the 1st page, you can just browse through it and look for it. __________________ Tutorial Maniacs - The most comprehensive collection of QUALITY hand picked tutorial links on the internet. http://www.tutorialmaniacs.com

12-27-2003, 05:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
highpr NamePros Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 28	You simply type the name into the Yahoo! directory and check the directory listing. For example: setla.com is set to drop on December 30, 2003. Type 'setla.com' into Yahoo! with the 'directory' tab selected, and you'll see this result: ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=14290 Sony Entertainment Television in Latin America Category: Television > Argentina www.setla.com/ You can then hot link through to the category - in this case - Television > Argentina and see the actual listing for the domain: SITE LISTINGS Arte RadioTelevisivo Argentino - broadcaster and TV producer: Channel 13, Volver, and Todo Noticias. Cablevideo S.A. - red de televisión por cable. Sony Entertainment Television in Latin America TVFuego S.A. - canal de cable. As far as I know there is NO WAY to "fake" this. Hope this helps. __________________ www.cpureview.com Web Hosting Directory Webmaster Resources Expired Domains with Traffic

12-27-2003, 06:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
armstrong Man from Manila Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: The Net Posts: 6,025	What I mean is - how can you tell the difference between an older, permanent Yahoo listing vs. a newer one that has an annual fee? If part of your purchasing decision is the existence of a Yahoo listing, wouldn't it suck to find out that the listing expires in a week? Then if you want to keep the listing for another year, you'll have to fork out $299. __________________ Apollo's excellent 3-letter .BIZ auction; $1 starting bid!

12-27-2003, 06:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
DomainOgre Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 1,831	A good indication is how long has been developed. If its fairly new, then its probably an annual fee. If its 3 years or older then its a good chance it will stay in it as long as it has a site on it in the same field. __________________ GiantNames.com - Domain Names Above The Rest!

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