Important .be Issue Discovered

Iravan · 11-18-2005, 07:47 PM

Edit: Euro DNS Emails Found

I have discovered some really shocking things to me as a domainer about the registrars and Dns.be and their .be names.

I will be posting some emails I recived here... notice the differences

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Hello

>

> I would liek to change my organization contact, for all my domains to the Domain Manager profile I have on the other contacts right now, how do I do this?

Umber

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Hi

The control panel DETAILS of your EuroDNS account is for this details modification

Please modify and validate the new contact profile

Thanks for your interest in our services

Best wishes

EuroDNS support

Christian

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I cannot modify the
Organization
contatacts and wish to modify them, how can do this... there is no modify button

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Hi

Yes indeed

Please make this modification sending an email with a clear subject as ORGANIZATION CONTACT for MY .BE Domain Names

This message must contain the details of the new contact profile you want have (check the format of the contact profiles in your EuroDNS account)

Send it to SWOLFF@EURODNS.COM you will be invoiced with the related fees

Thanks for your interest in our services

Best regards

EuroDNS support

Christian

This seemed odd to me...

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Contact form on nucleus.be

Name: Iravan
Email: *********@gmail.com

Phone:
Message: Hello I was wondering wether it would be ok to park our .be
domains, but not list them for sale, since that is againt the TOS Thanks
Iravan

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Dear Sir,

All rules are displayed on our site.

Sincerely,
David

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I do not see anything

please give me an simple yes or know answer on wether I am allowed to park my .be domains on sedo but not list them for sale

Thanks

Umber

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Special conditions free .BE domainnames

Only the first year of new registrations is eligible. Renewals and transfers are not eligible.
You are only permitted to register a reasonable amount of domains for yourself or for your single customers. This will be monitored by DNS.BE and is subject to review through DNS.BE directly.
Warehousing and cyber squatting is not allowed.
In the event that this program is terminated by DNS.BE prior to expiration date, then the termination will automatically be passed on.
Only valid for first year of the registration.
This program is provided at the sole descretion of Nucleus bvba

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Warehousing and cyber squatting is not allowed
Please give me a definition of this, as a definition is not available on your site

Umber

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The ruling of warehousing is done by DNS.BE itself.

Domain warehousing according to them is gathering domains which are not in active use, with the sole purpose of making profit of the domain itself.

Sincerely,
David

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Hmm ok

So I cannot park?

Also does foewarding the domain count as active use... like if i foreward umber.be to my profiel is that ok?

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All the rulings ar emade by DNS.BE, case by case.
So it really depends on what names, how many etc... you have registered

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Thank You
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/141115-important-be-issue-discovered.html

I will contact Dns.be citing your email and ask for the rules they use to govern wether .be names may be parked. Thanks

Umber

That Was My Contact with Nuclues... Now see what Dns.be has to say

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Hello

I have enquired this with my registrar however received an inadequate response. On all my domains I am currently using the ICAAN accepted contacts of my organization. I would like to change the contacts of my .be domains to my organizations contact. In order to stay legal, I am obliged to change my contacts. This I believe is specified on dns.be. However, after requesting this from my registrar (eurodns) they told me that I should submit to them the new address, and they will send me an invoice on the charges. I found this very odd since throughout my time in the domain industry no company has ever made me pay money for changing my contacts, something that is required to maintain legality. Please let me know if this action of the eurodns staff was appropriate.

Best Regards

Umber
Webmaster ExitTraffic.us

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Hi

Updating/changing contacts is for free - DNS is not invoicing anything to the agents.
However, an agent is allowed to invoice such actions to his customers.
Normally spoken it has to be mentioned in his general conditions.

Kind regards

Véronique Van der Borght
DNS BE

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Hello

Thanks for your quick reply, I have double checked the registrars (euro DNS) general conditions and no where it is mentioned that there is a fee to update contacts. I am at loss of what do to, i request you to please give me advice on what to do to retain legality of these domains and stay with the conditions as set down by dns.be for .be domain names.

Also another concern of mine was the taking away for the .be domains. I contacted my registrar and was told that DNS.be was responsible for quarantining these domains. I would like to enquire on what are the grounds for quarantining the domain name. Also another question would be whether these domains, are allowed to be parked. I personally wish to see the traffic on my .be domains before considering paying for them.

Please enlighten me

Best Regards

Umber

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Hi Umber

I can assure you DNS does not put domain names in quarantine. Only the agent who has the
names in his account can do so.
The reason for putting them in quarantine can only be explained by this agent.

A domain name in quarantine can be transferred towards another agent of your choice.
You will have to ask him to do so. You will find a list of those agents on our website
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
(www.dns.be - registered agents).
Perhaps you can find one who does not want to be paid at once.

Kind regards

Véronique Van der Borght
DNS BE

Nuclues Email

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Contact form on nucleus.be

Name: Umber Dube
Email: *********@gmail.com

Phone:
Message: Hello

I was wondering if I could change the contacts of my domain names. I
would prefer the contacts to reflect the orgranization. I have tried
changing the contacts in my control panel but that does not seem to change the whois
information

please instruct me on how to do this

Thanks

Umber Dube

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Dear Sir,

The owner of a .be domain name can only be changed with a TRADE domain procedure.
The price of this procedure is 17 euro.

These are the rules of DNS BE.

Regards,

Wouter Sergeyssels

Hmm This doesnt make any sense unless dns.be updated there terms?

I firstly contacted Dns.be because Eurodns was going to invoice me for changing my contacts. Which I found very very odd..

Now as you can see the registrar is saying that Dns.be says which domains can be quarantined on a case by case basis. However Dns.be say that the registrars wuarantine the domain.

This greatly distrubs me, perhaps someone can explain it better to me...

I think this issue needs to be looked into...

Glad to hear any opinions on the issues

Thanks

Iravan

iNod · 11-18-2005, 08:50 PM

Well.. If they are giving out free domains. How are they going to make there money? They charge for changing of Nameservers, Contact Details,etc..

Nothing is free in this world. As much as you people think there is free stuff it all effects you. Free bubble gum which was bought from another company costs somebody money. Which always comes back out of your pocket.

iNod.

RegFee · 11-18-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by iNod

Well.. If they are giving out free domains. How are they going to make there money? They charge for changing of Nameservers, Contact Details,etc..
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115

Nothing is free in this world. As much as you people think there is free stuff it all effects you. Free bubble gum which was bought from another company costs somebody money. Which always comes back out of your pocket.

iNod.

It was my understanding that the way registrars make money off of the free registrations is 1 year later when renewal time comes around. Hopefully the free promotion would've sparked enough interest for people to want to hold on to their names a year later. If during that year, they get charged rediculous fees, they'll just want to transfer the domain.

Iravan · 11-18-2005, 09:08 PM

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Nothing is free in this world. As much as you people think there is free stuff it all effects you. Free bubble gum which was bought from another company costs somebody money. Which always comes back out of your pocket.

Hmm... one word Godaddy

Isis · 11-18-2005, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by iNod

Well.. If they are giving out free domains. How are they going to make there money? They charge for changing of Nameservers, Contact Details,etc..

Nothing is free in this world. As much as you people think there is free stuff it all effects you. Free bubble gum which was bought from another company costs somebody money. Which always comes back out of your pocket.

iNod.

WHATTT?!?!?!?!?!

might as well get charged everytime you log on, click on a link, or email support.

as owner of your domain, you should have the ability to change nameserver and contact details on your own....w/out getting charged...

Iravan · 11-18-2005, 09:52 PM

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as owner of your domain, you should have the ability to change nameserver and contact details on your own....w/out getting charged...

especially since you are legally required ot keep contacts up to date...

scrsteven · 11-18-2005, 10:31 PM

Thanks for compiling all of those emails. I have given up hope on most of my .be names. I feel like I have no control over the arbitrary rulings made on them. Not worth my time anymore. So, I park them.

Genialnames · 11-18-2005, 10:46 PM

just crazy (and not honest!)
hope you resolve positively.
Did you tried to check within the ICANN European counterpart?
European registrar have to follow an international treaty an there i a general policy that all the European registrant MUST follow.
good luck

www.AmCy.org · 11-18-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Iravan

especially since you are legally required ot keep contacts up to date...

You know, I was registering names with GoDaddy when they were a new company, and back then they would charge $45 if you wanted to change the Admin/Owner contact information for each domain name (so if you sold a name--BAM! $45 fee!) They got rid of that very quickly, after many complaints, and they are doing just fine today, making money without charging any unreasonable fees.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115

The GoDaddy management were smart enough to quickly adapt their policies to suit their customers, and they've done very well as a result.

Everyone should complain to all the registrars that are charging unreasonable fees. If they receive enough complaints, they'll get the message, and they'll probably rethink their policies.

As always, IMO.

AmCy

diddie · 11-19-2005, 12:14 AM

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I can assure you DNS does not put domain names in quarantine. Only the agent who has the
names in his account can do so.
The reason for putting them in quarantine can only be explained by this agent.

A domain name in quarantine can be transferred towards another agent of your choice.
You will have to ask him to do so. You will find a list of those agents on our website
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
(www.dns.be - registered agents).
Perhaps you can find one who does not want to be paid at once.

If i read well, you can have back your domains that are in quarantine ?

Iravan · 11-19-2005, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by scrsteven

Thanks for compiling all of those emails. I have given up hope on most of my .be names. I feel like I have no control over the arbitrary rulings made on them. Not worth my time anymore. So, I park them.

No Problem... I think this is an important issue

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just crazy (and not honest!)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
hope you resolve positively.
Did you tried to check within the ICANN European counterpart?
European registrar have to follow an international treaty an there i a general policy that all the European registrant MUST follow.
good luck

Hmm I dont know... I thought Dns.be was like the ICANN Of .be domains... thats why I think it might be a big issue.

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You know, I was registering names with GoDaddy when they were a new company, and back then they would charge $45 if you wanted to change the Admin/Owner contact information for each domain name (so if you sold a name--BAM! $45 fee!) They got rid of that very quickly, after many complaints, and they are doing just fine today, making money without charging any unreasonable fees.

That seems to be legit, but what interests me is the fact that no where it is stated in the EuroDns Terms that this is the case. And according to Dns.be they have to mention it in their general agreement... which it is not.

Thanks for the replies...

Keep them coming!

Jiblob · 11-19-2005, 01:44 PM

I dont want to say this, but if you find that in their TOS agreement you find things you do not like, then you can't complain about it. You ticked the box saying you agree!... so you agreed!

- Luke

Iravan · 11-19-2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Jiblob

I dont want to say this, but if you find that in their TOS agreement you find things you do not like, then you can't complain about it. You ticked the box saying you agree!... so you agreed!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115

- Luke

I couldnt find it... maybe someone else can?

wasistdas · 11-19-2005, 01:53 PM

Well, in all these I can say that we domainers can use .BE only as kid toy not as a serious business instrument. Toy domain. It is like what VirtualIDN does

Isis · 11-19-2005, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jiblob

I dont want to say this, but if you find that in their TOS agreement you find things you do not like, then you can't complain about it. You ticked the box saying you agree!... so you agreed!

- Luke

maybe before making a general statement like this, you should ante up proof that such rules were stated in their TOS?

imagine that you got a coupon for a free box of popcorn at the movies....
Now, imagine if in the middle of the movie, the manager yanks the box away because of some stupid reason, like sharing the box with your friends, or because you got 3 extra kernels over the allotted "free" limit....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115

Iravan is clearly CONTACTING the registrars and ASKING them to explain their TOS, but it seem to me that even the Registrars don't know which way is north...

Iravan · 12-10-2005, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Isis

Originally Posted by Jiblob

I dont want to say this, but if you find that in their TOS agreement you find things you do not like, then you can't complain about it. You ticked the box saying you agree!... so you agreed!

- Luke

maybe before making a general statement like this, you should ante up proof that such rules were stated in their TOS?

imagine that you got a coupon for a free box of popcorn at the movies....
Now, imagine if in the middle of the movie, the manager yanks the box away because of some stupid reason, like sharing the box with your friends, or because you got 3 extra kernels over the allotted "free" limit....

Iravan is clearly CONTACTING the registrars and ASKING them to explain their TOS, but it seem to me that even the Registrars don't know which way is north...

Ya Thats basically my point, and I want to know what I should do if anything.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115

Thanks

Iravan

DNWizardX9 · 12-10-2005, 06:12 PM

Nothing is free... they have to pay their support staff etc

Iravan · 12-10-2005, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by JeffM2

Nothing is free... they have to pay their support staff etc

That Is not the Point

The Point is that wither DNS.be or the Registrars do not know what is going on... and I am worried about it... and I am also wondeirng if I should be

Toker · 12-11-2005, 02:48 AM

Originally Posted by JeffM2

Nothing is free... they have to pay their support staff etc

Enough people build free domains and keep them so they make the
renewel fees.
I know you can change your ns with Nucleus when
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
ya sign up for the domain for Free I know.
I can also log into my domain names control panel
and change passwords, nameservers, contacts ect..

Go To This Link And Put Your User-Pass In
http://www.nucleus.be/controlpanel/

Here's one of the domains on my box..
Cute WMV by the way
http://a1a.be/Vids/NatPortman.wmv

.

edmarriner · 12-11-2005, 04:55 AM

this is from euroDNS:

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8.1.3. It shall be the Customer’s responsibility to contact EuroDNS prior to initiation of the third Request for Documentation, using the Customer’s own resources and the means of communication described on the website, most notably the email address support@eurodns.com. The Customer can use this opportunity to change his Contact Information.

it does not mension any charges!

Iravan · 12-11-2005, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by edmarriner

this is from euroDNS:

Quote:

8.1.3. It shall be the Customer’s responsibility to contact EuroDNS prior to initiation of the third Request for Documentation, using the Customer’s own resources and the means of communication described on the website, most notably the email address support@eurodns.com. The Customer can use this opportunity to change his Contact Information.

it does not mension any charges!

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
Ya Thats the Thing.... I dunno whats going on

and btw in nuclues you can change the
Administrative contactperson and Technical contactperson

Then Do a Whois Search @ Dns.be - Nothing changed, that is visible

***jaydub*** · 12-11-2005, 07:09 AM

I received this email from EuroDNS on Nov 25 (I am sure many others might as well) - it appears they may have realized the number of resellers that have taken advantage of this .BE offer and are making at least some attempt to make the names more moveable via internal push.
---------------------------------------------------
Domain Push" to another account
EuroDNS is proud to announce its new "Domain Push" service. For the last few days, the service has been in full swing and has already established itself as really popular feature with our customers.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
The Push service is proving to be really useful to domaintraders or users that want to transfer domain names to other clients. It's introduction has eliminated the need to start a transfer if a domain needs to be moved to another EuroDNS client's account. You can find the Domain Push in the EuroDNS "My Account" section on the left side and is labeled "Internal Transfer".
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this might be a good start.....Anyway, just an FYI

Jim

Iravan · 12-11-2005, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by jaydub

I received this email from EuroDNS on Nov 25 (I am sure many others might as well) - it appears they may have realized the number of resellers that have taken advantage of this .BE offer and are making at least some attempt to make the names more moveable via internal push.
---------------------------------------------------
Domain Push" to another account
EuroDNS is proud to announce its new "Domain Push" service. For the last few days, the service has been in full swing and has already established itself as really popular feature with our customers.

The Push service is proving to be really useful to domaintraders or users that want to transfer domain names to other clients. It's introduction has eliminated the need to start a transfer if a domain needs to be moved to another EuroDNS client's account. You can find the Domain Push in the EuroDNS "My Account" section on the left side and is labeled "Internal Transfer".
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115
--------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this might be a good start.....Anyway, just an FYI

Jim

I Didnt Know this! Thanks!

Uhh to bad most of mie are with nuclues

Thanks Though!

***jaydub*** · 12-11-2005, 07:48 AM

I think (and hope I guess) that the other registrars are going to realize that the domainers are usually the ones that drive these sales/giveaways. The public doesn't usually have any idea that they are even happening. The domainers will put some content on the name...even if it is SEDO parking and any publicity will be a step in the right direction for a TLD looking for recognition.....
Screwing the domainers over is definitely not a "step in the right direction".

They will eventually figure this out.

scrsteven · 12-11-2005, 10:48 AM

Have any of you gotten the eurodns push to actually work and is it free? Thanks

11-18-2005, 08:50 PM	#2 (permalink)
iNod Eating Pie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,267	Well.. If they are giving out free domains. How are they going to make there money? They charge for changing of Nameservers, Contact Details,etc.. Nothing is free in this world. As much as you people think there is free stuff it all effects you. Free bubble gum which was bought from another company costs somebody money. Which always comes back out of your pocket. iNod. __________________ I feel old.

11-18-2005, 10:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
scrsteven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: FL Posts: 1,267	Thanks for compiling all of those emails. I have given up hope on most of my .be names. I feel like I have no control over the arbitrary rulings made on them. Not worth my time anymore. So, I park them. __________________ SKDomains.com Distance Learning

11-18-2005, 10:46 PM	#8 (permalink)
Genialnames NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 794	just crazy (and not honest!) hope you resolve positively. Did you tried to check within the ICANN European counterpart? European registrar have to follow an international treaty an there i a general policy that all the European registrant MUST follow. good luck __________________ www.genialnames.com Mostly developable Domain Names...because the name says it all! Olympionic.com it's mine, it could be your!

11-19-2005, 01:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
Jiblob Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: .co.uk Posts: 2,237 Follow @coultonluke	I dont want to say this, but if you find that in their TOS agreement you find things you do not like, then you can't complain about it. You ticked the box saying you agree!... so you agreed! - Luke __________________ :hi:

11-19-2005, 01:53 PM	#14 (permalink)
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DNWizardX9 Account Suspended Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 741	Nothing is free... they have to pay their support staff etc

12-11-2005, 07:09 AM	#22 (permalink)
*jaydub* 'Da Chef Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: You know, that really really hot place at the core of the planet Posts: 5,092	I received this email from EuroDNS on Nov 25 (I am sure many others might as well) - it appears they may have realized the number of resellers that have taken advantage of this .BE offer and are making at least some attempt to make the names more moveable via internal push. --------------------------------------------------- Domain Push" to another account EuroDNS is proud to announce its new "Domain Push" service. For the last few days, the service has been in full swing and has already established itself as really popular feature with our customers. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=141115 The Push service is proving to be really useful to domaintraders or users that want to transfer domain names to other clients. It's introduction has eliminated the need to start a transfer if a domain needs to be moved to another EuroDNS client's account. You can find the Domain Push in the EuroDNS "My Account" section on the left side and is labeled "Internal Transfer". -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think this might be a good start.....Anyway, just an FYI Jim __________________ >>The key to immortality is living a life worth remembering >>Real Character is doing the right thing even when nobody is watching. >>Sometimes you feel like you are in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents. >>Please be sure brain is engaged before putting keyboard in gear.

12-11-2005, 07:48 AM	#24 (permalink)
*jaydub* 'Da Chef Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: You know, that really really hot place at the core of the planet Posts: 5,092	I think (and hope I guess) that the other registrars are going to realize that the domainers are usually the ones that drive these sales/giveaways. The public doesn't usually have any idea that they are even happening. The domainers will put some content on the name...even if it is SEDO parking and any publicity will be a step in the right direction for a TLD looking for recognition..... Screwing the domainers over is definitely not a "step in the right direction". They will eventually figure this out. __________________ >>The key to immortality is living a life worth remembering >>Real Character is doing the right thing even when nobody is watching. >>Sometimes you feel like you are in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents. >>Please be sure brain is engaged before putting keyboard in gear.

12-11-2005, 10:48 AM	#25 (permalink)
scrsteven Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: FL Posts: 1,267	Have any of you gotten the eurodns push to actually work and is it free? Thanks __________________ SKDomains.com Distance Learning

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