Grrilla

Interesting Whois:

Dave Zan

Where'd you get that? Netsol's WHOIS still shows it's expired.

Unless you're referring to another name...

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lambda

I think it is a new way to have exclusive names only by Snapnames...
By "renewing" some names, they are not viewable in search engines of pool.com and other backorder services.

I had that case with a premium domain name last week, and when I searched it 2-3 weeks ago, I could only see that it will be dropped by Snapnames.

Grrilla

Nope. My software is showing that xilix com expires on Aug 15 2006, clear as day.

Netsol apparently renewed it. It doesn't show a registrant. It just seems a bit odd. Like it mever was allowed to drop, it was renewed 10 days ago and it is sitting in limbo. My software shows that the info was obtained from whois.networksolutions, so I don't know where the discrepency is, not to mentione who the registrant is or who renewed it on the 15th and on who's behalf.

Looks like the drop market for premium names may have been usurped right before our very eyes. ICANN is apparently allowing it. I thought that ICANN had established procedures w/ the registries and that there was some explicit protocol to follow, regarding expiration and deletion- policy that the registries were bound to in their licensing agreements and procedures that the registrars were to follow.

Less than a year ago, the outgoing registrar had no better shot at gaining a drop than any other registrar. Today, the registrar can cherry pick the top names that pass expiration and redemption period and can renew them before they drop and, than, partner w/ a drop service and create an auction and make alot more money at the buyers expense. Rules? Who needs stinking rules when when no one is around to enforce them. Take the money as fast as you can and as long as nobody says no. Unfair business practices? Class action suit? Maybe what they are doing is legal, but it sure runs contrary to what I thought was the deletion protocol. Maybe there's a loophole?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=118354

Maybe jberry can shed some light on this.

gazzip

I have noticed that, quite a few times names are only showed in snapnames and not in say - Godaddy

I think drop companies seem to have arrangements with different registrars, one name I went for I backordered in it both places, then it was noticed by godaddy

Looks that way to me anyway

JoshHendo

That is just saying the domain name is pending deletion becuase the owner hasn't paid

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Grrilla

Well somebody had paid for it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=118354
I use Softnik DoNA for searches, which is normally reliable. It showed that the name was renewed. I rechecked it this morning using whois.sc, and now it is on new name servers and shows the registrant:
So, I must have caught the Whois listing info during a transitional phase, which is why it looked odd and, perhaps, why davezan and my whois results read differently.

However, I am assuming that the above is the original registrant and that this was not picked up as a drop. The Wayback Machine shows xixix com laying inactive/dormant for 9 years except for 1 page in 2004 that apparently had a small graphic on it. When I pull it up for that year on my machine, all I get is a graphics placeholder, so hard to tell who owned it up until 15Aug 05.

Dave Zan

I think I know what you're actually referring to.

Remember that the registry autorenews an expired domain for 1 year and bills
the sponsoring registrar for it. So the registry's WHOIS will say the domain has
been renewed for 1 year while the registrar's WHOIS says it's actually expired.

So the domain's actually expired in netsol. They've switched the info to their
"Pending Renewal or Deletion" thingie until either: a) it's renewed, b) it's sent
over to SnapNames if not renewed on time, or c) it'll be deleted if neither a
nor b took place.

Once actually deleted, the registry will refund the registrar for the autorenew.

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Grrilla

Big Thanks Dave! You put it in a nutshell. The timing and procedure surrounding the delete date has always been a bit of a gray area to me and it's difficult to interpret exactly what is going on during this period at the ICANN site.
I am still curious about b) and how a dropservice can partner w/ a registrar and receive preferential treatment. Does the name automatically go over to Snapnames before dropping from the registry if the name isn't renewed before pending delete? Can other registrars still compete for the drop? What goes on there- the timing, the visibility of the status to other registrars, and how it gets from drop to auction, is still a bit murky to me.

Dave Zan

I forgot when they exactly started it. But note that Netsol only applies this
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=118354
to .com and .net domains only.

Netsol's deletion policy says they'll hold an expired name for 35 days. So if the
name isn't renewed by then, they'll put it in a "holding account" and check at
Snapnames to see if someone made a backorder for it.

If someone did backorder thru Snapnames or more than one did and went thru
an auction (highest bidder wins, of course), then Snapnames will award the
name to that party and Netsol will transfer it to the winner upon notification.

On the other hand, if there's no backorder after 3 days (I think), then Netsol
will tell the registry to delete the name. As long as the domain name has been
deleted and is at the registry level, it'll eventually be up for grabs for anyone.

Hope this clears it. And can I have a banana? (I love bananas )

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Grrilla

I set "nutshell" Dave, so it's nuts for you. all4cost and I are trying to control the banana market. Although some nice, fresh bamboo shoots are supposed to be my preferred diet, I never was big on salad, unless it is "rocket salad", that is. (have to ask slaughterback about that one, if you are unfamiliar w/ the term.)