The problem with Godaddy Resellers (Wild West)

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 12:47 PM

I purchased a Godaddy reseller package through Wild West Domains earlier this year (FoxRocket.com). The primary thing that sold me was the ability to reg domains at $7.20

I wasn't interested in earning commissions by becoming a reseller, I just wanted to be able to buy domains as cheap as possible in order to make more money when I sold them to others.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/100932-the-problem-godaddy-resellers-wild-west.html

I've run into two problems that have me second guessing that decision:

1. Transferring domains to others is a pain in the %#$. There's no simple push process like they have at Enom. The contact information needs to be filled out and then emails are sent and then the buyer needs to create a free account at FoxRocket.com and then they need to input codes that were provided in the email. YUCK!

Worse yet, even if the buyer has a GoDaddy account they still need to create an account at FoxRocket to accept the domains. That's inconvenient for them. Blah!

2. Because of the reasons listed above, I'm convinced that buyers loose some interest when they see that a domain is reg'd at a WWD reseller account. I think I would be getting higher sales if the domain were at Godaddy, Enom or some other mainstream registrar.

Am I being paranoid or is there a certain amount of discrimination against domains housed at smaller registrars?

Lately, I've been purchasing new domains through an $8.95 Enom account. I'm considering purchasing a $6.95 Enom account (without the big investment)

Is there some disadvantage to the $6.95 Enom accounts that I'm not aware off. I currently don't see any.

Any advise from folks familiar with both these system would be much appreciated. Thank you.

capiche · 06-22-2005, 01:08 PM

You can get $7.20 domains just by typing "buy1" in the promo code box at Godaddy. Saves you from having to get a WildWest Domains package.
P.S. That promo code doesn't expire.

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 01:16 PM

Thanks. I'm not sure if the promo codes work when you're buying multiple domains. I usually buy 5 - 20 at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong but won't it deduct the promo just one time?

ApeXX · 06-22-2005, 01:20 PM

I think that it will just take off 1.50 or whatever on your total purchase, not for each domain. I could be wrong however, someone needs to verify that.

capiche · 06-22-2005, 01:22 PM

I have been buying 2 at a time lately and it deducts for each domain. So I end up paying $14.40.
Also for .US names and stuff that is already discounted this won't work.
But.... If you type "DAVID" in the promo code box you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted.
Not sure if the "DAVID" thing expires or not.

ApeXX · 06-22-2005, 01:24 PM

I have heard of the DAVID coupon, although I have never used it. Nice find Capiche

capiche · 06-22-2005, 01:30 PM

Thx. Hope it helps.

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 01:40 PM

Interesting. I could always just start buying through GoDaddy using the promos but it still doesn't solve the clunky transfer method they use.

I think I've made up my mind to get the Enom account so I'm curious if there's anyone out there that can give me a reason why I shouldn't?

Is there some great feature that I currently have as a WWD reseller that I'm taking for granted and that Enom doesn't offer?

nRnF · 06-22-2005, 02:10 PM

I personally like the WWD reseller more, as there are plenty of other things to resell.
But if you just got the WWD account for your own regs this doesn't matter.
(PS: You can get the same rates trough a individual discount account --> see here and save the yearly WWD fee)
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Basically for today I don't see much difference between both untill TDNAM may get integrated into WWD resellers.
(at least they told me that this is the plan - but when nobody knows).

IMO the Enom disadvantage is the upfront account filling, what is not given with WWD customer account (CC or PayPal)

But really, there are pros and cons for both, and it may depend, on what you really want to do with the account(s)

PS:
If anyone is interested in starting reselling through a WWD account I may can arrange a sponsored WWD account for $69 in 1st year - PM

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by nRnF

I personally like the WWD reseller more, as there are plenty of other things to resell.

Great point! There are a million different things to sell. I've never marketed my site because I figured folks would just assume buy the stuff at GoDaddy. I will miss the $12 backorders. I've had great success with those.

Quote:

(PS: You can get the same rates trough a individual discount account --> see here and save the yearly WWD fee)

That's one way to still get my $12 backorders!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Originally Posted by NrNf

Basically for today I don't see much difference between both untill TDNAM gets integrated into WWD resellers.

How are they planning on implementing it. Would it be an additional revenue stream for WWD resellers?

nRnF · 06-22-2005, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by baobiz

That's one way to still get my $12 backorders!

YES, and all products at wholsale rates without being a reseller.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Originally Posted by baobiz

How are they planning on implementing it. Would it be an additional revenue stream for WWD resellers?

They told me they plan it after the current test phase.
If they do so it would be an additional service for WWD resellers.

EbookLover · 06-22-2005, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by baobiz

1. Transferring domains to others is a pain in the %#$. There's no simple push process like they have at Enom. The contact information needs to be filled out and then emails are sent and then the buyer needs to create a free account at FoxRocket.com and then they need to input codes that were provided in the email. YUCK!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Worse yet, even if the buyer has a GoDaddy account they still need to create an account at FoxRocket to accept the domains. That's inconvenient for them. Blah!

Well, that is the same way you do it at GD. Personally, I have no problems with it. It is a safe way to do it.

Originally Posted by baobiz

2. Because of the reasons listed above, I'm convinced that buyers loose some interest when they see that a domain is reg'd at a WWD reseller account. I think I would be getting higher sales if the domain were at Godaddy, Enom or some other mainstream registrar.

Am I being paranoid or is there a certain amount of discrimination against domains housed at smaller registrars?

Well, what it comes down to is who you market to. You will find it hard, if not imposible, to get customers like folks here at NP and other webmaster/domain savvy folks. They know that you are a GD/WW reseller and they'd rather not buy from you for various reasons.

What I hate about WWD is that you call your site one thing but the card is charged under a different name (WWD). It looks wrong to the customer and can trigger credit card diputes which the buyer will win. Also, the DNS will be WWD and not your site's DNS. But there are ways around it if you think about it. And no, I do not mean going with the API account.

I will be trying out WWD as a reseller at some point. From what I have seen, it is nearly turnkey. The key, however, will be to effectively target the right markets. I also believe that offline selling will be key to making good sales. The domain and web hosting businesses are cut-throught these days. You cannot compete along side the big companies like GD and others. You have to find a profitable niche and most likely go offline to get customers (locally).

Oh, and about enom. Well, the fact that you have to deposit your money upfront (in the thousands) is a bummer. Also, as far as I know, they do not ofer private label support like WWD does. As was said, both have their advantages/disadvantages.

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Well, that is the same way you do it at GD. Personally, I have no problems with it. It is a safe way to do it.

True but a lot of people already have GD accounts so they won't have to go through the trouble of creating a new account just to accept a couple of names.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

* The email notices give me fits. Sometime I have to initiate a tranfer 3 times before the customer actually gets them (maybe due to spam filters). I started sending them to myself and then forwarding them to the customers to save the hassle.

ApeXX · 06-22-2005, 04:01 PM

I personally just use enom, I hate WWD. Such a hassle for the customer, which is not the way it should be.

EbookLover · 06-22-2005, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by baobiz

True but a lot of people already have GD accounts so they won't have to go through the trouble of creating a new account just to accept a couple of names.

I don't know about that. It isn't like it takes a long time to create an account. I can see domain traders not liking to do it since you are a WW reseller, but then, as I said, that is the wrong target market anyway.

I just created an acocunt at namecheap the other day just to be able to get a domain pushed to me. No problem there for me. I do use a form filler, but still, it isn't like you have to fill out pages and pages of info. It's just a few lines of basic info.

Originally Posted by ApeXX

I personally just use enom, I hate WWD. Such a hassle for the customer, which is not the way it should be.

It's really not that bad. Really.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Does enom give you a turnkey sotrefront and provide support to your customers?

nRnF · 06-22-2005, 04:32 PM

well said zquest

The target market is the key for resellers.
But still really hard competition as all you know

About the free push within a reseller account Think Positive:
If you are a reseller and someone or yourself push a domain to a new account likely some will renew or buy more stuff, especially if you sell your domain to a "end user".

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 04:35 PM

Signing up might not take that long but customers are bombarded with additional offers by WWD and GoDaddy every time they accept a domain transfer.

Enom doesn't give you a turnkey storefront but that's not important to me. I just want to be able to buy cheap and transfer domains with minimal hassle to me and my customers.

If a customer doesn't have an Enom account then I'll create an $8.95 subaccount under mine. I think customers will be much more likely to come back and make purchases at Enom than they would at FoxRocket.

I'm not bashing WWD. If you want to run a turnkey registrar, I don't think you can beat it. For what I'm trying to do, it's not very efficient.

nRnF · 06-22-2005, 04:42 PM

Ya, the "Other Products offers" from WWD is a darn damm anoying nevative point within WWD.
Although you can disable this as a user, but it takes some time to find this out

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

It's hard to tell which is better WWD or Enom.

It would be good to hear someone that has both a WWD & Enom account.
(The poll is great)

I stick right from the beginning with WWD incl. being Super Reseller
selling WWD reseller acc. at $89.
... so I miss a litte bit the Enom reseller experience

jamminsport16 · 06-22-2005, 04:51 PM

If you type "DAVID" in the promo code box you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted.
Not sure if the "DAVID" thing expires or not.

I tried buying a .net from GoDaddy & using the loophole. I put in then 'usa6' for the promo code so it was $5.19. I tried to enter 'DAVID' but it didnt do anything. YOu said "you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted."

?

ApeXX · 06-22-2005, 04:55 PM

When regging a .info, there is already a discount. He meant instead of using USA6 because you can't with the already discounted .info, you can use david which gives you another $1.00 off.

$5.19 is the lowest I have been able to get anyway.

EbookLover · 06-22-2005, 05:01 PM

Well, about the ads for additional services, that certainly is a bummer, I must say. BUt I cannot blame them for pursuing upsells so vigorously. It's a dog-eat-dog biz. GD has been this way ever since i cn rember, though, so obviously it isn;t hurting them too much.

They have made soem good improvements to their checkout tis past year including being able to turn off the ads during checkout. But it is too hard for the average consumer to figure out how to turn off. I have seen too many complaints about this.

Chris · 06-22-2005, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by baobiz

1. Transferring domains to others is a pain in the %#$. There's no simple push process like they have at Enom. The contact information needs to be filled out and then emails are sent and then the buyer needs to create a free account at FoxRocket.com and then they need to input codes that were provided in the email. YUCK!

I personally don't see what the big fuss is regarding transferring a name to another person's account. The whole process takes at most a couple of minutes from start to finish and is much more secure than just a push with a username IMO. What's the big deal?

Originally Posted by baobiz

True but a lot of people already have GD accounts so they won't have to go through the trouble of creating a new account just to accept a couple of names.

It can't take longer than 30 seconds to a minute to create a new account at a WWD site. If a person wants a name bad enough then it should be no problem for them to create an account and if they don't want to create another one then it boils down to laziness IMO.

EbookLover · 06-22-2005, 05:08 PM

Also, another thing I do not like about WWD is the fact that you need to mask or redirect your domain. This is not the bigest deal, but hte problem is during checkout. It seems as though the checkout is unsecure, even though it is secure. The only way around it would be to buy your own SSL cert and just redirect the http: to the https:.

Thankfully, the domain they use for the WWD sites is not wildwestdomains.com, but a generic "secure" domain.

Now given this, can anyone tell me why GD makes their whole site secure and not just the checkout and account areas? Funny, becaue it is fast, though. Most secure pages are slower than the non-secur epages elswhere but not go daddy. Strange.

That said, this is OT, but I hear that there is a way to only mask the first URL but then have the rest of the URLs that are clicked on appear in the browser as usual. Anyone know of how to do this?

NameClerk.com · 06-22-2005, 05:17 PM

Quote:

I personally don't see what the big fuss is regarding transferring a name to another person's account. The whole process takes at most a couple of minutes from start to finish and is much more secure than just a push with a username IMO. What's the big deal?

It's more secure, I'll give you that. BUT:
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

With Enom, I ask the customer what their username is. I open up the domain info and push the domain to that account. Done!

There's no need for them to supply all their information. My mojo is low price, high volume sales. Security is important to me but not to the extent that it slows me down to a crawl. Eventually, if all goes well, I'll have to do this process 10-15 times a day. When I reach that level Enom's system will be a lifesaver compared to GD's in terms of productivity.

Chris · 06-22-2005, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by baobiz

With Enom, I ask the customer what their username is. I open up the domain info and push the domain to that account. Done!

I agree it's a little faster, but not much and really nothing that bugs me to the extent that I'm going to stop using them.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932

Originally Posted by baobiz

There's no need for them to supply all their information.

You don't need to input all of their information to initiate the transfer. Just put in bogus information and their valid email address, then they can change their information and correct it once it's in their account.

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06-22-2005, 12:47 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
NameClerk.com Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,436 Follow @NameClerk	The problem with Godaddy Resellers (Wild West) I purchased a Godaddy reseller package through Wild West Domains earlier this year (FoxRocket.com). The primary thing that sold me was the ability to reg domains at $7.20 I wasn't interested in earning commissions by becoming a reseller, I just wanted to be able to buy domains as cheap as possible in order to make more money when I sold them to others. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/100932-the-problem-godaddy-resellers-wild-west.html I've run into two problems that have me second guessing that decision: 1. Transferring domains to others is a pain in the %#$. There's no simple push process like they have at Enom. The contact information needs to be filled out and then emails are sent and then the buyer needs to create a free account at FoxRocket.com and then they need to input codes that were provided in the email. YUCK! Worse yet, even if the buyer has a GoDaddy account they still need to create an account at FoxRocket to accept the domains. That's inconvenient for them. Blah! 2. Because of the reasons listed above, I'm convinced that buyers loose some interest when they see that a domain is reg'd at a WWD reseller account. I think I would be getting higher sales if the domain were at Godaddy, Enom or some other mainstream registrar. Am I being paranoid or is there a certain amount of discrimination against domains housed at smaller registrars? Lately, I've been purchasing new domains through an $8.95 Enom account. I'm considering purchasing a $6.95 Enom account (without the big investment) Is there some disadvantage to the $6.95 Enom accounts that I'm not aware off. I currently don't see any. Any advise from folks familiar with both these system would be much appreciated. Thank you. __________________ AvailableDomainNames.com Subscribe via RSS

06-22-2005, 01:16 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
NameClerk.com Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,436 Follow @NameClerk	Thanks. I'm not sure if the promo codes work when you're buying multiple domains. I usually buy 5 - 20 at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong but won't it deduct the promo just one time? __________________ AvailableDomainNames.com Subscribe via RSS

06-22-2005, 01:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
ApeXX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,998	I think that it will just take off 1.50 or whatever on your total purchase, not for each domain. I could be wrong however, someone needs to verify that. __________________ FREE Xbox Live Gold codes added daily!

06-22-2005, 01:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
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06-22-2005, 01:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
capiche NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 856	You can get $7.20 domains just by typing "buy1" in the promo code box at Godaddy. Saves you from having to get a WildWest Domains package. P.S. That promo code doesn't expire.

06-22-2005, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
capiche NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 856	I have been buying 2 at a time lately and it deducts for each domain. So I end up paying $14.40. Also for .US names and stuff that is already discounted this won't work. But.... If you type "DAVID" in the promo code box you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted. Not sure if the "DAVID" thing expires or not.

06-22-2005, 01:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
capiche NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 856	Thx. Hope it helps.

06-22-2005, 01:40 PM	THREAD STARTER #8 (permalink)
NameClerk.com Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,436 Follow @NameClerk	Interesting. I could always just start buying through GoDaddy using the promos but it still doesn't solve the clunky transfer method they use. I think I've made up my mind to get the Enom account so I'm curious if there's anyone out there that can give me a reason why I shouldn't? Is there some great feature that I currently have as a WWD reseller that I'm taking for granted and that Enom doesn't offer? __________________ AvailableDomainNames.com Subscribe via RSS

06-22-2005, 02:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
nRnF Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,567	I personally like the WWD reseller more, as there are plenty of other things to resell. But if you just got the WWD account for your own regs this doesn't matter. (PS: You can get the same rates trough a individual discount account --> see here and save the yearly WWD fee) ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932 Basically for today I don't see much difference between both untill TDNAM may get integrated into WWD resellers. (at least they told me that this is the plan - but when nobody knows). IMO the Enom disadvantage is the upfront account filling, what is not given with WWD customer account (CC or PayPal) But really, there are pros and cons for both, and it may depend, on what you really want to do with the account(s) PS: If anyone is interested in starting reselling through a WWD account I may can arrange a sponsored WWD account for $69 in 1st year - PM Last edited by nRnF; 06-22-2005 at 05:04 PM.

06-22-2005, 04:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
ApeXX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,998	I personally just use enom, I hate WWD. Such a hassle for the customer, which is not the way it should be. __________________ FREE Xbox Live Gold codes added daily!

06-22-2005, 04:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
nRnF Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,567	well said zquest The target market is the key for resellers. But still really hard competition as all you know About the free push within a reseller account Think Positive: If you are a reseller and someone or yourself push a domain to a new account likely some will renew or buy more stuff, especially if you sell your domain to a "end user". __________________ TargetDomain.com - Reseller Accounts - Domain Sales - Resources FREE Joomla & WordPress Domain Analyzer Submit your domain News & Articles Last edited by nRnF; 06-22-2005 at 04:38 PM.

06-22-2005, 04:35 PM	THREAD STARTER #17 (permalink)
NameClerk.com Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,436 Follow @NameClerk	Signing up might not take that long but customers are bombarded with additional offers by WWD and GoDaddy every time they accept a domain transfer. Enom doesn't give you a turnkey storefront but that's not important to me. I just want to be able to buy cheap and transfer domains with minimal hassle to me and my customers. If a customer doesn't have an Enom account then I'll create an $8.95 subaccount under mine. I think customers will be much more likely to come back and make purchases at Enom than they would at FoxRocket. I'm not bashing WWD. If you want to run a turnkey registrar, I don't think you can beat it. For what I'm trying to do, it's not very efficient. __________________ AvailableDomainNames.com Subscribe via RSS

06-22-2005, 04:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
nRnF Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,567	Ya, the "Other Products offers" from WWD is a darn damm anoying nevative point within WWD. Although you can disable this as a user, but it takes some time to find this out ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100932 It's hard to tell which is better WWD or Enom. It would be good to hear someone that has both a WWD & Enom account. (The poll is great) I stick right from the beginning with WWD incl. being Super Reseller selling WWD reseller acc. at $89. ... so I miss a litte bit the Enom reseller experience __________________ TargetDomain.com - Reseller Accounts - Domain Sales - Resources FREE Joomla & WordPress Domain Analyzer Submit your domain News & Articles Last edited by nRnF; 06-22-2005 at 05:10 PM.

06-22-2005, 04:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
jamminsport16 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,482	If you type "DAVID" in the promo code box you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted. Not sure if the "DAVID" thing expires or not. I tried buying a .net from GoDaddy & using the loophole. I put in then 'usa6' for the promo code so it was $5.19. I tried to enter 'DAVID' but it didnt do anything. YOu said "you can save an extra $1.00, even though the domain is already discounted." ? __________________ Visit the Hollister Clothes Outlet at: Hollister Clothes

06-22-2005, 04:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
ApeXX Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,998	When regging a .info, there is already a discount. He meant instead of using USA6 because you can't with the already discounted .info, you can use david which gives you another $1.00 off. $5.19 is the lowest I have been able to get anyway. __________________ FREE Xbox Live Gold codes added daily!

06-22-2005, 05:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
EbookLover Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,438	Well, about the ads for additional services, that certainly is a bummer, I must say. BUt I cannot blame them for pursuing upsells so vigorously. It's a dog-eat-dog biz. GD has been this way ever since i cn rember, though, so obviously it isn;t hurting them too much. They have made soem good improvements to their checkout tis past year including being able to turn off the ads during checkout. But it is too hard for the average consumer to figure out how to turn off. I have seen too many complaints about this.

06-22-2005, 05:08 PM	#23 (permalink)
EbookLover Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,438	Also, another thing I do not like about WWD is the fact that you need to mask or redirect your domain. This is not the bigest deal, but hte problem is during checkout. It seems as though the checkout is unsecure, even though it is secure. The only way around it would be to buy your own SSL cert and just redirect the http: to the https:. Thankfully, the domain they use for the WWD sites is not wildwestdomains.com, but a generic "secure" domain. Now given this, can anyone tell me why GD makes their whole site secure and not just the checkout and account areas? Funny, becaue it is fast, though. Most secure pages are slower than the non-secur epages elswhere but not go daddy. Strange. That said, this is OT, but I hear that there is a way to only mask the first URL but then have the rest of the URLs that are clicked on appear in the browser as usual. Anyone know of how to do this? Last edited by zquest; 06-22-2005 at 05:27 PM.

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