What if you knew...

linker · 06-20-2005, 12:05 PM

that a company was planning to register a particular domain name but they have not done so yet?

Now, there is a catch, this company is a BIG client of the company that you work for, and only a handful of people know they are planning on getting this domain name. Would it be worth risking your job to get it? I guess it depends on the value of the domain, but the thing is who knows, really, they say they are going to use it but they have not regged it yet. Either the company is lazy, stupid, or it really isn't that important, even though the domain has already been used on website mockups, ad mockups, etc...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/100274-what-if-you-knew.html

Is it possible to register a domain name, then sell it without them ever knowing who you are?

A bit of a dilemma...

(all hypothetical of course)

Redleg · 06-20-2005, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by linker

Would it be worth risking your job to get it?

A big NO, IMHO...

slaughterbeck · 06-20-2005, 12:20 PM

I think you should PM the second person to respond and let her register it

linker · 06-20-2005, 12:36 PM

Quote:

I think you should PM the second person to respond and let her register it

I was thinking about doing something like that but how would I be sure you would split the profits with me?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100274

Anyway, just a moral kind of thing, but at the same time, it would be a big mistake for a company to do something like that, so maybe they need to be taught a lesson...

Midano · 06-20-2005, 12:54 PM

Cybersquatting your own employer, hah? A sure way to get canned.

RJ · 06-20-2005, 12:59 PM

Not really worth it. You would be taking unfair advantage of information available to you in your business relationship. Why not volunteer to secure the domain on their behalf before a cybersquatter does?

Smith · 06-20-2005, 01:02 PM

Great Business Ethics

Gene · 06-20-2005, 01:03 PM

Insider Trading!!! Aaaahhh! Hehe

edits · 06-20-2005, 01:08 PM

Ya I can't say I'd risk my job for a domain name.

Mark · 06-20-2005, 01:13 PM

Agreed - Ethics will take you further in the long run than any "Quick" unethical Dollar ....

linker · 06-20-2005, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Agreed - Ethics will take you further in the long run than any "Quick" unethical Dollar ...

I agree, I am always wondering just how far some people will go to make a few $$ I have known about this for a week or so but I decided not to take any action, and I was mostly making a hypothetical post about that sort of situation.

The thing is it is not for my company, it is a client of my company, so I certainly can not register it on their behalf...

slaughterbeck · 06-20-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by -RJ-

Not really worth it. You would be taking unfair advantage of information available to you in your business relationship. Why not volunteer to secure the domain on their behalf before a cybersquatter does?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100274
That’s exactly what I meant to convey, pay no attention at all to my previous post; good ethics are always the path to take, but…if you decided to not be ethical

IAmAllanShore · 06-20-2005, 02:15 PM

Doing the "right" thing might not always win out financially in the short run, but in the long run, it will more often than not.

Register it, and give it to the company if anything (Protect against squatters, etc.)

-Allan

ApeXX · 06-20-2005, 03:54 PM

Just out of respect, intergrity, and honesty, I would not do that. It is against my nature, and I find that anyone who could do that for his OWN company, is completely inhumane.

fish · 06-20-2005, 03:58 PM

Just a bad idea in general. I wouldn't.

linker · 06-20-2005, 04:47 PM

Some strong opinions for sure, I think it is a good topic, and, I was speaking hypothetically of course...

Quote:

Just out of respect, intergrity, and honesty, I would not do that. It is against my nature, and I find that anyone who could do that for his OWN company, is completely inhumane.

And... I did say twice... that it was not my company but a client of my company...

jroy · 06-20-2005, 04:51 PM

Didnt martha go away for something similar to that

nickd1 · 06-20-2005, 06:53 PM

You wouldn't believe how many big companies have become lazy and stupid, and not necessarily in that order. Aaaaaah, that felt good to get off my chest!!

danstevenson · 06-20-2005, 06:59 PM

Job = reliable incom / domain = one time income probly less then what you make as your sallary.

AdoptableDomains · 06-20-2005, 07:34 PM

1. They WILL find out who you are.
2. Your company will likely lose the client.
3. Your company will probably lose you for losing the client.
4. You will probably lose the UDRP case and not even get reg fees.
5. You may have to pay attorney fees.
6. You could even lose a civil case for damages and attorney fees.
7. You will be marked as a dishonest employee and have trouble even getting a job flipping burgers.

I think you know where this is going.

If you are concerned and want to gain some points, make it known to the client that they should quickly register the name before something happens to delay them getting the domain later. Take the high road and you won't regret it.

calian · 06-20-2005, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by AdoptableDomains

1. They WILL find out who you are.
2. Your company will likely lose the client.
3. Your company will probably lose you for losing the client.
4. You will probably lose the UDRP case and not even get reg fees.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100274
5. You may have to pay attorney fees.
6. You could even lose a civil case for damages and attorney fees.
7. You will be marked as a dishonest employee and have trouble even getting a job flipping burgers.

I think you know where this is going.

If you are concerned and want to gain some points, make it known to the client that they should quickly register the name before something happens to delay them getting the domain later. Take the high road and you won't regret it.

You could even refer the client to this thread to show them the latent interest there is in snapping up domains by speculators.

weblaunch · 06-20-2005, 08:05 PM

Not worth it. It's better to approach the client to urge them to register it before someone else does.

equity78 · 06-20-2005, 08:23 PM

I agree represent yourself as a value add, show the client and your employer you are very adept at what's going on, use it to gain points with your client and your company. Good Luck

EbookLover · 06-20-2005, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by jroy

Didnt martha go away for something similar to that

Actually, Martha was convicted of lying to a federal agent, not insider trading. Furthermore, this has nothign to do with stocks and would not be illegal unless that domain was a TM. Then it could be a legal matter, but still not insider trading.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=100274

To the OP...

Honestly, it really matters on the domain. However, I think it is safe to say that there are very few unregged domains that would be worth losing your job over. I mean seriously, it would have to be worth in the high XXX,XXX and up for me to even consider it. But if it is a TMed company name then it would be a no-no. You would find yourself fired and also with a lawsuit, most likely. Let's face it. the company may very well find out it is you and cancel their account with the copany you work for.

This is really a no-brainer. In % of the cases, it would never be worth it. To do it for anything less than what I said above would be plain silly, IMO.

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Register it, and give it to the company if anything (Protect against squatters, etc.)

-Allan

Naw. Just leave it. Remember, you aren't supposed ot even know that they are going to register it at some point, right? It will look odd if you do that. then they will try to find out how it leaked and they will and that could caus eyour friend to lose his job. Just leave it alone. IF they are stupid enough to procrastinate spending $10.00-20.00 on the domain they want, then that is their problem, not yours. Of it does get regged by a stranger, they'll never know that you could have prevented it by buying it for them so it's not like ignoring the situation would make you look bad.

Now on the other hand if you were supposed to know about the domain in the forst place and then you somehow found out that it may be regged by a stranger, then sure, reg it and give it to them on the grounds that you were looking out for them.

But seriously, if you really are in this situation and you think it is a good idea to reg it, then contact me and I wi ll reg it for you. Once I get the money from the company, i will give you 50%. Mwaaaahaahahaa!!!!!

linker · 06-21-2005, 04:51 AM

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But seriously, if you really are in this situation and you think it is a good idea to reg it, then contact me and I wi ll reg it for you. Once I get the money from the company, i will give you 50%. Mwaaaahaahahaa!!!!!

hehe... This is the kind of thing I was thinking about...

But, seriously, the instance I am talking about involves a domain that is not a trademark, it is basically an acronym added to a word, so it could really mean anything. So, obviously, the domain on it's own is not worth anything, but the fact that a company would tell another company that it is doing business with the domain, but then not have it registered is really careless, as far as I am concerned. They have spent considerable time and effort getting ready for this project so it is very important to them, but the mistake of not registering the domain could prove costly. I am in no position to tell them, so that isn't going to happen, so I am just going to wait and see what happens... I just can't understand how they could be so careless...

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