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08-20-2006, 03:47 PM
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    | How much are 3 Chars worth?? If someone can help out with the "current" value of 3 char domains I would really appreciate it  .net .org .biz .us .info Looking for appraisals of the above extenstions in the following combinations: LLL, NNN, LLN, NNL, LNL, NLN Many thanks. I know there are websites that offer help in evaluating 3 chars but I was after a more "up to date" assesment of the current value.
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08-20-2006, 04:39 PM
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08-20-2006, 09:22 PM
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| NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2006
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| A long list but per your request. These are sales within last 12 months: Domain TLD SalePrice SaleDate SaleThru ADR biz $1,900 Jan-06 Sedo ASI biz $1,250 Jun-06 Pool Buy biz $4,000 Apr-06 Afternic Car biz $14,027 Nov-05 Sedo ELB biz $706 Jul-06 Sedo Iva biz $1,175 Mar-06 Sedo NJS biz $500 Feb-06 Sedo PTG biz $1,201 Sep-05 Sedo RDF biz $1,122 Sep-05 Sedo TBP biz $700 Aug-06 Private TEE biz $1,363 Apr-06 Sedo Zen biz $1,500 Apr-06 Sedo ADC info $820 Oct-05 TDNAM AIW info $800 Jan-06 Sedo Ant info $525 Nov-05 SnapNames Bed info $1,200 Nov-05 Private Bed info $630 Oct-05 Sedo Boo info $2,401 Dec-05 Sedo BPS info $509 Dec-05 SnapNames CFI info $975 Feb-06 TheNameStore Cod info $525 Nov-05 Private Cry info $525 Oct-05 Afternic CSN info $800 Mar-06 Sedo DAC info $2,001 Dec-05 SnapNames Dad info $5,556 Nov-05 Sedo DCS info $1,550 Dec-05 SnapNames Fax info $1,850 Dec-05 Afternic FSG info $1,300 Dec-05 Sedo FSG info $1,350 Dec-05 Sedo GUY info $550 Oct-05 Afternic HRA info $1,500 Jan-06 TheNameStore MRS info $625 Feb-06 DNForum NLP info $3,000 Jun-06 Sedo OGM info $3,602 Dec-05 Sedo OON info $900 Jun-06 Afternic Pig info $750 Jan-06 DNForum PPP info $1,010 Dec-05 SnapNames RPT info $900 Nov-05 Private SFF info $1,000 Jan-06 Private SWS info $1,500 Jun-06 Afternic TPN info $839 Oct-05 Sedo TTO info $950 Oct-05 Private Two info $525 Oct-05 SnapNames UCF info $695 Oct-05 Private WGA info $1,250 Nov-05 Private Won info $1,550 Jun-06 SnapNames 488 net $605 Apr-06 Sedo 511 net $1,204 Jun-06 SnapNames 898 net $1,351 Apr-06 SnapNames 995 net $3,300 Jul-06 Enoms Club Drop ADN net $1,537 Apr-06 SnapNames AFH net $12,500 May-06 Afternic AIP net $2,300 May-06 SnapNames ALK net $1,252 May-06 Pool ANO net $2,351 Jun-06 SnapNames BCA net $2,008 Mar-06 Sedo BCT net $1,150 Jan-06 SnapNames BPP net $1,500 Mar-06 SnapNames BQO net $1,004 Dec-05 SnapNames BSH net $1,900 Jan-06 SnapNames Buy net $45,000 May-06 Moniker/Traffic CEN net $1,529 Apr-06 SnapNames COD net $4,577 Dec-05 SnapNames DAC net $1,587 Apr-06 SnapNames DCG net $1,372 Apr-06 SnapNames DHX net $1,054 May-06 SnapNames DID net $3,633 Mar-06 SnapNames DLI net $1,151 Jul-06 SnapNames Dop net $745 Oct-05 Afternic EAI net $3,121 Mar-06 Snapnames eRE net $21,450 Feb-06 Afternic FAE net $1,951 Apr-06 SnapNames Fbb net $2,500 Mar-06 Sedo FCR net $2,000 Jan-06 Enoms Club Drop FHD net $1,350 Jul-06 SnapNames FHM net $1,800 Apr-06 Afternic Fnz net $500 Dec-05 Afternic FTA net $4,475 Jul-06 SnapNames FTD net $1,500 Feb-06 Enoms Club Drop GKM net $1,500 May-06 SnapNames GKN net $6,419 Jun-06 Sedo GLC net $1,549 Feb-06 SnapNames GUI net $3,500 Nov-05 Sedo GYG net $1,251 Jan-06 SnapNames IDN net $2,801 Nov-05 SnapNames IED net $2,400 Mar-06 SnapNames IIS net $15,000 Sep-05 Sedo ILB net $1,161 Feb-06 SnapNames KAW net $2,395 May-06 SnapNames KEL net $2,183 Mar-06 SnapNames KNX net $1,024 Jun-06 SnapNames KSH net $1,050 Mar-06 SnapNames KUT net $1,602 Apr-06 SnapNames LNK net $1,251 May-06 SnapNames LOM net $1,179 Apr-06 SnapNames MEP net $900 Apr-06 Sedo MNP net $1,161 Apr-06 SnapNames NGI net $2,400 Oct-05 SnapNames NMA net $2,511 Feb-06 SnapNames NMS net $5,300 Nov-05 TDNAM NOS net $1,900 Jan-06 Enoms Club Drop NTN net $1,750 Apr-06 SnapNames OJS net $1,000 Mar-06 Snapnames OKU net $1,050 Jan-06 SnapNames OLO net $1,855 Apr-06 SnapNames OPO net $1,610 Jun-06 SnapNames OTF net $1,111 Apr-06 SnapNames OVN net $2,000 Jan-06 SnapNames OWD net $1,900 Apr-06 SnapNames PLM net $1,960 May-06 SnapNames PMM net $1,300 Sep-05 Enoms Club Drop PNH net $1,669 Jan-06 SnapNames PRC net $2,400 Jan-06 SnapNames PTO net $4,000 Jul-06 Enoms Club Drop QIN net $1,834 Jul-06 SnapNames RFO net $1,801 Apr-06 SnapNames RNS net $1,261 Jan-06 SnapNames ROG net $1,151 Jan-06 SnapNames Rsm net $1,500 Dec-05 Afternic SAC net $2,649 Oct-05 SnapNames Sex net $450,000 May-06 Moniker/Traffic SGT net $1,994 May-06 SnapNames SHL net $1,461 Apr-06 SnapNames SKD net $1,199 Feb-06 SnapNames SLA net $2,450 Sep-05 SnapNames SOP net $2,194 Mar-06 SnapNames Soy net $5,000 Sep-05 Afternic SVC net $2,950 May-06 SnapNames SVT net $1,550 Jun-06 SnapNames TAW net $1,300 Mar-06 SnapNames TBS net $2,900 Dec-05 SnapNames TDN net $3,350 Feb-06 SnapNames TIF net $2,233 Mar-06 SnapNames TNM net $1,219 Apr-06 SnapNames TPT net $1,911 Apr-06 SnapNames TRB net $1,860 Jul-06 SnapNames TWF net $1,016 Apr-06 SnapNames UHR net $2,551 May-06 Private URU net $1,161 Apr-06 SnapNames UVP net $1,051 Apr-06 SnapNames UWB net $2,150 Jul-06 SnapNames VIB net $1,660 Nov-05 Pool VPN net $10,001 Apr-06 SnapNames WKD net $1,772 May-06 SnapNames WRS net $1,800 Feb-06 Enoms Club Drop WTM net $2,011 Jun-06 SnapNames WTR net $1,061 Jun-06 SnapNames XTS net $670 Apr-06 Enoms Club Drop XVN net $3,000 Nov-05 Sedo YOR net $1,299 Nov-05 Afternic YTS net $1,161 Apr-06 SnapNames ZYR net $1,022 Apr-06 Pool 2Go net $1,100 Mar-06 SnapNames SB3 net $300 Oct-05 Afternic ZP3 net $1,500 Jan-06 Afternic Bob org $1,500 Feb-06 Sedo CNS org $5,988 Oct-05 SnapNames CZS org $1,450 Mar-06 Afternic DAF org $2,150 Jun-06 SnapNames Dan org $7,056 Jul-06 SnapNames DJG org $575 Feb-06 Afternic ECK org $1,350 Jun-06 SnapNames EEG org $2,210 May-06 SnapNames EMA org $3,010 Apr-06 SnapNames EUA org $1,361 Jan-06 SnapNames FOO org $1,351 Feb-06 Sedo GSA org $4,700 Oct-05 SnapNames HAR org $1,051 Apr-06 SnapNames HDA org $2,080 Sep-05 SnapNames HGL org $1,000 Mar-06 Snapnames HQP org $4,450 Sep-05 Afternic Hug org $3,333 Mar-06 SnapNames HYA org $1,611 May-06 SnapNames IRD org $9,450 Feb-06 Afternic IVL org $1,000 Apr-06 SnapNames JEE org $546 Jan-06 Sedo JSN org $1,300 Mar-06 Snapnames KOA org $1,120 Jan-06 SnapNames LDJ org $1,050 Mar-06 SnapNames LEG org $2,052 Apr-06 SnapNames MSO org $4,000 Feb-06 Sedo MYI org $1,000 Apr-06 SnapNames NFS org $2,380 Oct-05 SnapNames NIN org $2,833 Jul-06 Snapnames NXP org $3,450 Jul-06 Afternic ONG org $4,200 Jul-06 SnapNames OON org $900 May-06 Afternic PDP org $2,000 Jul-06 SnapNames PHD org $25,000 Jun-06 GreatDomains PKR org $5,500 Dec-05 Afternic PWP org $1,200 Jun-06 SnapNames ROS org $1,400 Apr-06 SnapNames SCH org $2,030 Apr-06 SnapNames SDH org $1,103 Feb-06 SnapNames SEP org $5,300 Jan-06 SnapNames TAU org $2,070 Mar-06 SnapNames Tfb org $160 Oct-05 Afternic TFY org $1,000 Apr-06 Sedo TLI org $1,103 Feb-06 SnapNames TLR org $1,060 Jun-06 Pool TPW org $8,650 Feb-06 Afternic Ubf org $200 Oct-05 Afternic UNS org $2,200 May-06 Sedo UTI org $2,150 Jul-06 SnapNames WHT org $1,550 Mar-06 SnapNames ACB us $395 Jan-06 Afternic AGT us $195 Nov-05 Afternic ANS us $395 Nov-05 Afternic APD us $195 Feb-06 Afternic Ask us $6,200 Mar-06 Sedo ATE us $1,200 Apr-06 Sedo CIE us $595 Jan-06 Afternic Csv us $250 Nov-05 Afternic ECD us $600 Sep-05 Afternic EMA us $2,000 Aug-06 Private FBO us $1,000 Mar-06 Afternic FON us $1,500 Dec-05 PPCIncome IBC us $1,200 Jul-06 NamePros IMA us $2,500 Apr-06 Private IQF us $500 Sep-05 Sedo ITH us $988 Feb-06 Sedo ITZ us $85 Apr-06 Afternic Jew us $29,500 Feb-06 Sedo ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/229831-how-much-are-3-chars-worth.html Nto us $375 Dec-05 Afternic Out us $2,225 Feb-06 Sedo Pkr us $500 Nov-05 Afternic RTG us $795 Jan-06 Private TVP us $775 Oct-05 Sedo wii us $2,500 Jun-06 Private ZUM us $400 Sep-05 Sedo e85 us $3,000 Aug-06 Sedo RE4 us $3,000 Aug-06 Sedo BTW, you can search online by leaving the keywords blank, TLD= net, org, biz, us or info, setting len=3 and checking "numeric". You can then sort by clicking on a column headings. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=229831 Cheers, BidNo
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08-20-2006, 10:27 PM
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????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=229831 Do you know anything about the term "liquidity"? I get the sense you are far from stupid so hopefully you will be able to follow me here. I have nothing to do with the 3 character site BUT it is a VERY accurate -representation of the liquidity of the various combinations of 3 character domains. The site reports what minimum wholesale prices are in the market. These are NOT end user prices. These are prices that if you have a domain that is of A, B and C combination - this is what you can realistically get for it in the next day to week. The high sales figures are the exception and not the norm. Most end user priced sales, unlike wholesale pricing, have very little to do with trends but rather what someone is willing to pay for a given domain. (Traffic/revenue based sales are different of course.) You didn't say what you are looking for the numbers for, but since you have various 3 char domains in your sig file, I presume you want to make an effort to price your domains accordingly. If that's the case, it's obviously a little more complicated than simply looking at *similar* domains.
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08-20-2006, 10:50 PM
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 Yes your right I am trying to determin the "retail" value of my domains using a "retail" based pricing structure. Thank you for not calling me stupid That 3char site is fantastic and I have refered to it many times however I found that the average sale price of domains was always higher. Now I understand that these prices are wholesale, thanks for pointing that out - the site probably refers to that but I must have missed it. So in your honest opinion what is the difference between average retail price and average wholesale price? When I say "average retail" I am not refering to those once off sales that go through the roof or over inflated eBay sales that I regularly see. No I am refering to the average, if there is such a thing? Many thanks for your help in this matter.
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08-21-2006, 12:34 AM
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You can't compare this to liquidity and wholesale pricing is about liquidity. I'll give you one example here....from 2001 to late 2004, the domain market was pretty stable. Some fairly large sales, but overall, there wasn't a lot of liquidity for any kind of domains. (Hey, even look at around 16 months ago - you could get 3 letter .com's EASILY for $1k or less.) Most of the 3 letter .com sales I am aware of during that time to end users were in at least low 4 figures. But the wholesale market wasn't there at all. What we're seeing happening now is that a lot more people are getting into domaining.... there are also more people taking it very seriously as an investment. This is making certain kinds of domains to have a higher liquidity. So even if you COULD give a number and say that okay, the average retail sale is 100-500% times the average wholesale price.... this won't be constant next year or even a month from now. We're also looking at a lot of consolidation going on right now too. There are several people/companies getting heavy into specific types of 3 character domains. Some of these, as we know, won't sell to end users period. This in itself is helping to drive up wholesale prices because it's getting much harder to acquire certain kinds of domains than it was before. I'd love to say specifically - this is what I think will happen, but alas, if I had a crystal ball, my bank account and portfolio would be a lot richer  But I DO know that the retail market is starting to move more to non-.com extensions... at least the lower end. Last year, I had been back and forth with a company that was interested in a domain I really didn't want to sell. We finally settled on a price in mid 5 figures. The deal fell through at the last minute because they turned around and registered the .biz version of the domain. That WOULD have been my biggest single sale ever if it had gone through. If I TRIED to sell the domain on this forum, I likely wouldn't get over 100 for it - even if that. Yet its a domain that I've received several offers for over the years.
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08-21-2006, 12:47 AM
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 Tell me why didn't you want to sell it if it was only worth 100-200 wholelsale? Anyway maybe someone will take over the company and buy that domain from ya ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=229831 Thanks for the explaination I see fully what your saying and yes you are right I guess I was looking for something was not there, maybe a "wholesale wannabe" of the retail market? But yeah they would not stay that way long so the market would not be that big anyway. I guess at the end of the day it is a bit of chance and much skill in finding the "right" domain that will be the next success story.
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08-21-2006, 01:57 AM
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Look at it this way - let's say you have a portfolio of 100 non-traffic domains that are brandable. You are looking at around 650-900$ per year on renewal fees alone. What if you only average one end user sale a year? That means in order to be profitable over all, you need to get at least $1k. Optimistic scenario of having an exceptional 5% turnover a year on a portfolio of 1000 domains.... you are looking at 50 sales a year... 6500-9000 annual renewal fees. That's probably about 250 hours MINIMUM of work involved. What's your time worth? What about the return on your investment? Let's say 7000 a year renewal fees, you want to realize a 20% return on investment and your time is worth $50 an hour (equiv to $25/hour if you were working for someone else). You need to generate 8400 (7000*1.2) plus 12500 (50x250) or 20,900 to make it a worthwhile endeavor. That's 418 average per domain before transaction costs and other non-registration... so let's say 600 on average. What happens if you have a bad year and only average 2% sales but all else is equal? Now you are looking at needing to get an average of $1k per sale. Sure, one single 5 figure sale can slant your numbers up... but if you are lowballing your asking price, you won't even have a chance of getting to the 5 figure sale. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=229831 Most full-time domainers I know won't consider any sale under $2k. The above is part of the reason why. The 5% turnover rate is VERY high and I doubt that many see this unless they are going for very very low sales prices. I'm sure there are some people here that have a higher turnover than 5%... but I'm talking about retail sales here not wholesale sales. I suspect there are very few people that are seeing over 5% on end user sales.
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