.in, .co.in domains running amok here

Fundraiser · 03-28-2005, 09:43 AM

I am perplexed at the hype that has been created here over the domain registry of India. I registered a couple for the long haul, but looking through appraisal threads, more weight is being given to .in and .co.in than .us domains with keywords of equal or higher quality.

Anyone else perplexed by the "buy.in" on these domains. I know "wot" is going on to some degree

, but what else is responsible for driving this market?

IAmAllanShore · 03-28-2005, 10:29 AM

Current hype and being the "new kid on the block" coupled with an exteremely large population.
-Allan

Rob · 03-28-2005, 10:35 AM

New extension. Give it a few weeks! Wont be long before the next one comes along and everybody is mad for it.

LeDomain · 03-28-2005, 10:43 AM

.in will be in the same mode as .de and not like .us....

My rationale for this is...majority of the .com's have been registered by US business and entities...which leaves no choice but to buy .in's for Indian businesses.....

The reason .us has not picked up steam is because of the same reason above..there has been no need to...US entities already own .com's....why bother with .us.

Sure there will be some growth in .us, but in the long run .in's will be more valuable, behind .com of course....

CrazyTech · 03-28-2005, 11:04 AM

LeDomain's post makes some good points. I do agree that there is a lot of hype for .co.in and .in and we'll just have to wait and see if it is lived up to, but I think this will be a decent extension. India is a country on the rise and I think the market has great potential in the future since the .com's are becoming saturated.

Fundraiser · 03-28-2005, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by LeDomain

.in will be in the same mode as .de and not like .us....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/cctld-discussion/78357-in-co-domains-running-amok-here.html

My rationale for this is...majority of the .com's have been registered by US business and entities...which leaves no choice but to buy .in's for Indian businesses.....

The reason .us has not picked up steam is because of the same reason above..there has been no need to...US entities already own .com's....why bother with .us.

Sure there will be some growth in .us, but in the long run .in's will be more valuable, behind .com of course....

I appreciate your input and to keep the conversation going...

But don't the majority of established Indian businesses on the Internet use .com as well? Why would they switch to .in and why didn't they use .co.in as, I believe, that option has been available for awhile?

Also, I believe the majority of us businesses have not figured out how to use the internet to advance their business so the same lack of .com would affect most current and all new businesses in the US as well wouldn't it?

-db- · 03-28-2005, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by LeDomain

.in will be in the same mode as .de and not like .us....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

My rationale for this is...majority of the .com's have been registered by US business and entities...which leaves no choice but to buy .in's for Indian businesses.....

The reason .us has not picked up steam is because of the same reason above..there has been no need to...US entities already own .com's....why bother with .us.

Sure there will be some growth in .us, but in the long run .in's will be more valuable, behind .com of course....

I strongly disagree with your comments about .US

However, I do agree that .IN and CO.IN (which you didn't mention) have good potential.

03-28-2005, 12:05 PM

I recall similar hype, sales projections, and some initial success w/ .us when it first became available to the public, nearly, (whew!) three years ago.

I think that there is some validity in the .com->.us/.com->.co.in comparison, although I may not see the market differences as being as extreme as some are proclaiming.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

What has to be remembered, is that a good salesman/marketer strikes when the iron is hot. If I had invested in a stable of co.in names, I would be talking the cctld up and promoting it at every oppurtunity. Listing the actual and projected sale/s figure/s, helps keep up the fever pitch, and acts to enhance the value of names currently under negotiation in the eyes of the beholders. I have done this myself in past occasions.

One danger in this method of self-promotion lies in the presentation technique. If one takes the "Look what I've done!" approach, and is implying, "Look what you've missed out on.", one is certain to draw the ire and resentment of other domainer's who, due to reasons of their own, decided to take a different path. No one likes to be confronted by smugness and arrogance, or have missed oppurtunity pointed out to them

I'm not 100% sure if this is the case here, but I am seeing an undo amount of ruffled feathers, (including, I'm guessing, some of my own), as well as an abundance of defensiveness, heated disagreement, and divisiveness emanating from discussions involving the co.in. topic.

Badger · 03-28-2005, 02:54 PM

Yeah, agreed... there will always be hype though always opportunities...

.sc, a small no, very small cctld.. Moderate hype and scepticism from all.. but i bought a dozen, golf/homes etc and have had offers/sales on them all... Some of which ive declined...

So the moral of my post - new extension means new opportunity - but limited to only the cream

wot · 03-28-2005, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by Grrilla

I recall similar hype, sales projections, and some initial success w/ .us when it first became available to the public, nearly, (whew!) three years ago.

I think that there is some validity in the .com->.us/.com->.co.in comparison, although I may not see the market differences as being as extreme as some are proclaiming.

What has to be remembered, is that a good salesman/marketer strikes when the iron is hot. If I had invested in a stable of co.in names, I would be talking the cctld up and promoting it at every oppurtunity. Listing the actual and projected sale/s figure/s, helps keep up the fever pitch, and acts to enhance the value of names currently under negotiation in the eyes of the beholders. I have done this myself in past occasions.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

One danger in this method of self-promotion lies in the presentation technique. If one takes the "Look what I've done!" approach, and is implying, "Look what you've missed out on.", one is certain to draw the ire and resentment of other domainer's who, due to reasons of their own, decided to take a different path. No one likes to be confronted by smugness and arrogance, or have missed oppurtunity pointed out to them

I'm not 100% sure if this is the case here, but I am seeing an undo amount of ruffled feathers, (including, I'm guessing, some of my own), as well as an abundance of defensiveness, heated disagreement, and divisiveness emanating from discussions involving the co.in. topic.

I know nothing - I missed out on .coms and .us, made a huge killing on .ws and .cc fortunately

NOT

LeDomain · 03-28-2005, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Fundraiser

I appreciate your input and to keep the conversation going...

But don't the majority of established Indian businesses on the Internet use .com as well? Why would they switch to .in and why didn't they use .co.in as, I believe, that option has been available for awhile?

Also, I believe the majority of us businesses have not figured out how to use the internet to advance their business so the same lack of .com would affect most current and all new businesses in the US as well wouldn't it?

Talking about US business, I agree a lot of business are just beginning to figure out about the domain industry and the differences between .com and .us (not to mention .net, .info etc). The only thing people are sure about is the .com the rest is still muddy even for the domain experts...This is why I have doubts about the growth of .us (relative to the growth of say .de).

Maybe someone who is from Germany can explain better why .de has taken off...

In India, sure businesses have .com's and .co.in so far and obviously if an entity can get the .com extension they would obviously go for it....The reason .in and .co.in have bigger potential is because of future market size (95% of population is yet to go online)...And when that population slowly gets online, they are going to have a choice between .in, .co.in and .com...These new domains are going to be successful based on momentum...there may also be a small patriotism factor similar to .de...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

I think there will be interest in .us, by foreign companies looking for a US presence. But here is the catch again, since .us has not picked up in the US why would foreign companies pick up .us, they would rather go with .com to reach the US market...

This is definitely an interesting topic for a lot us....

-db- · 03-28-2005, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by LeDomain

But here is the catch again, since .us has not picked up in the US....

You keep saying that, but what are you basing it on?

Here is what I know.

*There are more .US sites indexed in Google than either .INFO or .BIZ

*.US sales and development have steadily risen.

*The patriotism factor you mentioned also applies to .US

*Every day, more friends and associates I talk to, are becoming aware of the .US name space.

*My own .US sales have been strong.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

*.US is still a relatively new extension, especially compared to the big-3, com/net/org.

I should also mention that lots of .US domains are owned by speculators asking outrageous prices. It's good to see their confidence high, but they are actually hurting themselves (and perhaps the .US name space in general) with pricing that's closer to what you expect from .com, and obviously if the .com is only a bit more expensive then people would prefer it. If some of the unrealistic sellers would take a digit or two off their prices, we would see many more nice .US sales reported. Still though, I see no signs of anything but upwards and onwards for .US

03-28-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

NOT

Say, wot?
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Hey, aren't you one of the members who is involved w/ the .co.in market? Maybe you could shed a little light on what's going w/ the ext.

When .mobi opens up, my time for a little horn tooting will come. Toot-Toot.

wot · 03-28-2005, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Grrilla

Say, wot?

Hey, aren't you one of the members who is involved w/ the .co.in market? Maybe you could shed a little light on what's going w/ the ext.

When .mobi opens up, my time for a little horn tooting will come. Toot-Toot.

"Captain Ahab" and "Dick" will be two of my prime .mobi targets - hope nobody beats me to them

Fundraiser · 03-28-2005, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Grrilla

Say, wot?
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

Hey, aren't you one of the members who is involved w/ the .co.in market? Maybe you could shed a little light on what's going w/ the ext.

That would be like the wizard of oz pulling away his own curtain.

***armstrong*** · 03-28-2005, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

There are more .US sites indexed in Google than either .INFO or .BIZ

-db- · 03-28-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by armstrong

Note also that .org did surprisingly well in the above quick test. Almost as well as .com.

Wow, no kidding. I had not checked the .org numbers. That's pretty interesting.

I must admit, that extension has always been a mystery to me. On one hand, it has a certain credibility because of so many charities, no-profits and other well known legitimate sources. On the other hand, I don't often associate it with normal for-profit businesses, or mainstream. Then again on yet another hand (I have 3 hands

) we have sites like Slashdot, and then the recent 66K sale of a casino related .org domain.
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Hmmm.... maybe I need to find me a couple nice .org's

CrazyTech · 03-28-2005, 07:28 PM

I don't think you can put the .us market down. IMHO it's only going up as people begin to move away from the .com since it's very hard and expensive to come by the simple names. I think .co.in and .in will also see their share of success from this same exodus of individuals and companies looking for a short domain.

The .org stat is interesting. I recently picked up a few myself and I'll certainly have to keep more of an eye on that market.

wot · 03-28-2005, 07:34 PM

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The .org stat is interesting. I recently picked up a few myself and I'll certainly have to keep more of an eye on that market.[/QUOTE]

Yes, also picked a few dropping .orgs recently, getting OK hits, quite encouraging, and they were cheap

Originally Posted by CrazyTech

I don't think you can put the .us market down. IMHO it's only going up as people begin to move away from the .com since it's very hard and expensive to come by the simple names. I think .co.in and .in will also see their share of success from this same exodus of individuals and companies looking for a short domain.

The .org stat is interesting. I recently picked up a few myself and I'll certainly have to keep more of an eye on that market.

http://www.tajmahal.co.in/SOLD.html

***armstrong*** · 03-28-2005, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by CrazyTech

I don't think you can put the .us market down.

I agree. If you go by the above stats, it already has 1/6 the presence of .com. On the other hand, .in has less than 1/50 presence compared to .com usage in sites that mention "rupee". Which means .in has much farther to go as far as acceptance in its intended market, as compared to .us in the US market.

-db- · 03-28-2005, 07:43 PM

LOL ... wot, I love how you slip in those links with your posts sometimes.

You may have a buzz-saw personality at times, but nobody will ever accuse you of being stupid.

All due respect, sir!

Binfus · 03-28-2005, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by wot

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http://www.tajmahal.co.in/SOLD.html

The slew of true Top Tier-1 names on this SOLD list and the seller's reported sale price (mid xx,xxx) for all of these several dozen names combined speaks a lot about the comparitive value of co.in/.in versus other newer tlds...anyone watching the new tld sales in recent months can pretty accurately tell what would be the combined sale price of such names in other new tlds like .info and .us.

dgridley · 03-28-2005, 08:17 PM

I agree.. .US has alot of potential, but it's resale value is limited by the nexus requirement IMO. We'll see increased interest in .us, but because of the unrestricted sales and huge indigenous population, .in and .co.in will enjoy an (at least temporary) advantage.

Originally Posted by -db-

I strongly disagree with your comments about .US

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-db- · 03-28-2005, 08:33 PM

A valid point David.

Though, I should add (for me personally) the nexus requirements have never even come up. Granted, most of my buyers have been fellow Americans, but I've also had other domain investors from Netherlands, Japan and Italy buy quite a few from me.

Which brings up another issue...

I never ask buyers if they meet the nexus requirements. As far as I know, nobody else asks their buyers either. I guess we may see some of those names forfeited and returned to circulation depending on how strictly things are enforced. Hmmmm.

wot · 03-28-2005, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Binfus

The slew of true Top Tier-1 names on this SOLD list and the seller's reported sale price (mid xx,xxx) for all of these several dozen names combined speaks a lot about the comparitive value of co.in/.in versus other newer tlds...anyone watching the new tld sales in recent months can pretty accurately tell what would be the combined sale price of such names in other new tlds like .info and .us.

You are on the right track up to a point as the average sale value is just below $1,000 per name but I deliberately pitched the prices lower than some may expect to attract buyers straight away to cover intial costs and this has proven to be the right formula, with bells on, and I am still in the position of having a large number of premium .co.in/in names left in the portfolio so my options are wide open, maybe if I had waited three years average sales values would be a lot higher - or lower!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357

On the other side of the coin I am looking to maybe buy some good .co.in's at the right price.

Asked for a price on Music.co.in, VG name but not a lot better than some I have already sold - seller asked for 30,000 euros!

That is the way to kill off the new market very rapidly and has been a major feature in the pick up on premium .us, info,biz etc - sellers expectations far to high.

We are now in a major resurgence in the domain name resales market and times are exciting, but- lest we forget- it is not that long ago when the "bubble burst".

www.TajMahal.co.in

03-28-2005, 09:43 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
Fundraiser Name Cartel's Mr. Blonde Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 523	.in, .co.in domains running amok here I am perplexed at the hype that has been created here over the domain registry of India. I registered a couple for the long haul, but looking through appraisal threads, more weight is being given to .in and .co.in than .us domains with keywords of equal or higher quality. Anyone else perplexed by the "buy.in" on these domains. I know "wot" is going on to some degree , but what else is responsible for driving this market?

03-28-2005, 10:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,316	Current hype and being the "new kid on the block" coupled with an exteremely large population. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

03-28-2005, 10:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
LeDomain NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 181	.in names .in will be in the same mode as .de and not like .us.... My rationale for this is...majority of the .com's have been registered by US business and entities...which leaves no choice but to buy .in's for Indian businesses..... The reason .us has not picked up steam is because of the same reason above..there has been no need to...US entities already own .com's....why bother with .us. Sure there will be some growth in .us, but in the long run .in's will be more valuable, behind .com of course.... __________________ DNProperty.com

03-28-2005, 12:05 PM	#8 (permalink)
Grrilla Guest Posts: n/a	I recall similar hype, sales projections, and some initial success w/ .us when it first became available to the public, nearly, (whew!) three years ago. I think that there is some validity in the .com->.us/.com->.co.in comparison, although I may not see the market differences as being as extreme as some are proclaiming. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=78357 What has to be remembered, is that a good salesman/marketer strikes when the iron is hot. If I had invested in a stable of co.in names, I would be talking the cctld up and promoting it at every oppurtunity. Listing the actual and projected sale/s figure/s, helps keep up the fever pitch, and acts to enhance the value of names currently under negotiation in the eyes of the beholders. I have done this myself in past occasions. One danger in this method of self-promotion lies in the presentation technique. If one takes the "Look what I've done!" approach, and is implying, "Look what you've missed out on.", one is certain to draw the ire and resentment of other domainer's who, due to reasons of their own, decided to take a different path. No one likes to be confronted by smugness and arrogance, or have missed oppurtunity pointed out to them I'm not 100% sure if this is the case here, but I am seeing an undo amount of ruffled feathers, (including, I'm guessing, some of my own), as well as an abundance of defensiveness, heated disagreement, and divisiveness emanating from discussions involving the co.in. topic. Last edited by Grrilla; 03-28-2005 at 12:19 PM.

03-28-2005, 02:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	Yeah, agreed... there will always be hype though always opportunities... .sc, a small no, very small cctld.. Moderate hype and scepticism from all.. but i bought a dozen, golf/homes etc and have had offers/sales on them all... Some of which ive declined... So the moral of my post - new extension means new opportunity - but limited to only the cream __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

03-28-2005, 10:35 AM	#3 (permalink)
Rob Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: England, UK Posts: 2,335	New extension. Give it a few weeks! Wont be long before the next one comes along and everybody is mad for it.

03-28-2005, 11:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
CrazyTech NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,043	LeDomain's post makes some good points. I do agree that there is a lot of hype for .co.in and .in and we'll just have to wait and see if it is lived up to, but I think this will be a decent extension. India is a country on the rise and I think the market has great potential in the future since the .com's are becoming saturated.

03-28-2005, 07:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
CrazyTech NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,043	I don't think you can put the .us market down. IMHO it's only going up as people begin to move away from the .com since it's very hard and expensive to come by the simple names. I think .co.in and .in will also see their share of success from this same exodus of individuals and companies looking for a short domain. The .org stat is interesting. I recently picked up a few myself and I'll certainly have to keep more of an eye on that market.

03-28-2005, 07:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,609	LOL ... wot, I love how you slip in those links with your posts sometimes. You may have a buzz-saw personality at times, but nobody will ever accuse you of being stupid. All due respect, sir! __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

03-28-2005, 08:33 PM	#24 (permalink)
-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,609	A valid point David. Though, I should add (for me personally) the nexus requirements have never even come up. Granted, most of my buyers have been fellow Americans, but I've also had other domain investors from Netherlands, Japan and Italy buy quite a few from me. Which brings up another issue... I never ask buyers if they meet the nexus requirements. As far as I know, nobody else asks their buyers either. I guess we may see some of those names forfeited and returned to circulation depending on how strictly things are enforced. Hmmmm. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

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