.eu Falls Below 2.6 Million domains

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 05:23 AM

It looks like the Junk Dump is happening on .eu at the moment. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the .eu landrush and over the next few weeks, a lot of junk domains are probably going to be dropped. The .eu active domain count yesterday was approximately 2605363. Now the count is 2598493.

The Junk Dump phase always follows a landrush phase. Domains that really were not a good idea tend to get dropped and a TLD falls back to a more reasonable level. The question is: how low will .eu go? Anyone care to hazard a guess?

Regards...jmcc

kev · 04-06-2007, 05:26 AM

i think the number will continue to fall...personally i am only keeping 2 of my original 20 or so names

nmr86 · 04-06-2007, 05:28 AM

it will drop under 2 million..

i am sure

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 05:33 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see up to a million .eu domains drop in the next few months. A lot of them are undeveloped and most seem to be parked or on hosters' "coming soon" pages. The drops today seem to be gathering pace as well. Since the .eu registry software is based on the DNS.be software, apparently the domains will start to expire at the end of the month (I think). What is happening now may be registrars actively deleting domains.

Perhaps we should have a prize for the closest prediction - a .eu domain?

Regards...jmcc

webcom · 04-06-2007, 05:45 AM

The hype is over. Now that's one big surprise!

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by webcom

The hype is over. Now that's one big surprise!

Yep. The important aspect is that if enough of the small players and domainers drop their .eu domains, the only significant part of the market that will survive will be the warehousing operations like Ovidio/ Xss.ro / Blixem.nl etc.
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Regards...jmcc

tetrapak · 04-06-2007, 07:02 AM

The hype drops and the real usage will pick up, normal. This is basically good news, too many overspeculated names were bought by domainers. The good names will still sell nicely, and the enduser base will grow.

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by tetrapak

The hype drops and the real usage will pick up, normal. This is basically good news, too many overspeculated names were bought by domainers. The good names will still sell nicely, and the enduser base will grow.

It should do. But the problem with .eu is that the massive number of warehoused and squatted domains has effectively killed off the natural development that would follow any landrush.

There is also another important point: In any landrush there is a lot of domain trading. Because Eurid launched a registry system without proper trades, that trader activity was missing. Therefore a lot of the domains that would have been flipped for a quick, though small, profit by domainers were never traded. I think that a lot of these will drop now.
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It might take another few years for .eu to recover though.

Regards...jmcc

gazzip · 04-06-2007, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by tetrapak

The hype drops and the real usage will pick up, normal. This is basically good news, too many overspeculated names were bought by domainers. The good names will still sell nicely, and the enduser base will grow.

Totally agree, I suspect there will also be many more $1000 to $5000 sales in .eu's within the next year or two. I almost sold one for 800 euros at sedo but the buyer did'nt pay so

to him, it was priced too cheap anyway

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My biggest earner is currently a .eu mini-site with affiliate links

It has paid for all the .eu I have registered so I'm keeping 99% of them for another year and plan to develop a few more soon.

There will be loads dropping for sure this year - but not mine !

.

circa1850 · 04-06-2007, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by jmcc

The .eu active domain count yesterday was approximately 2605363. Now the count is 2598493.

Just to clarify, I do not account for the entire junk dump.

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by gazzip

Totally agree, I suspect there will also be many more $1000 to $5000 sales in .eu's within the next year or two. I almost sold one for 800 euros at sedo but the buyer did'nt pay so

to him, it was priced too cheap anyway

Selling this early and in a falling market is not good. If you can afford to hang on to them, there is a possibility that the .eu value will rebound in about 18 months or so. Of course the opposite might also happen.

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Regards...jmcc

circa1850 · 04-06-2007, 08:29 AM

You also have to consider the massive fraud and the piss poor handling of the whole fiasco by EURid to begin with.

The EURid is still in seizeing names and have done so with some fake registrars in the UK that were actually front companies. They are trying to prosecute some in the US also.
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There were three individuals who set up 400 bogus registries and regged nearly 300,000 premium EU domains, mostly LLL and NNN.

I have kept many for the novelty of it but it is going to take a long while IF at all for this domain to become credible. And if these premium words and numbers are ever released back into the public, I am not sure how that will ultimately affect value but I do not think it will be in a good way.

gazzip · 04-06-2007, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by circa1850

I have kept many for the novelty of it but it is going to take a long while IF at all for this domain to become credible. .

I think it won't be that long, developing them will help to make them much more credible alot quicker.
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Results in google just now show 46,600,000 for site:.eu

It will get there IMO

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by circa1850

You also have to consider the massive fraud and the piss poor handling of the whole fiasco by EURid to begin with.

How Eurid ever got the contract to run the ccTLD is beyond me.

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The EURid is still in seizeing names and have done so with some fake registrars in the UK that were actually front companies. They are trying to prosecute some in the US also.

I think that they mentioned at the ICANN Lisbon meeting that they had only knocked out about 1000 fake registrations. A bunch of monkeys throwing darts at a printout of .eu doms could do much better. As for Eurid seizing domains, some domains that were reported last year with obviously fake address details (US postal address and zipcode with EU state in the country field) are still registered. The Eurid legal approach is in tatters. They were trying to prosecute the 400 registrars for breach of contract but the Ovidio syndicate took legal action against Eurid and forced Eurid to reactivate the domains.

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There were three individuals who set up 400 bogus registries and regged nearly 300,000 premium EU domains, mostly LLL and NNN.

It is worse than that. Some high profile players in the US domains business have been identified as being behind some of these front companies and these are separate from the Ovidio syndicate domains.
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I have kept many for the novelty of it but it is going to take a long while IF at all for this domain to become credible.

The worst case, based on the figures here is more than five years and a complete redelegation of .eu ccTLD to a competent registry before it becomes viable.

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And if these premium words and numbers are ever released back into the public, I am not sure how that will ultimately affect value but I do not think it will be in a good way.

The ironic thing is that a lot of the warehousers went for really bad domains and there are many examples of US place names and company/corporation names being registered. You've got sharp operators like Ovidio and then you've got the other end of the spectrum. The average domainer has been squeezed out of it by the scale of the warehousing.
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Regards...jmcc

gazzip · 04-06-2007, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by jmcc

Selling this early and in a falling market is not good. If you can afford to hang on to them, there is a possibility that the .eu value will rebound in about 18 months or so. Of course the opposite might also happen.

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Regards...jmcc

I agree, At the time I was just needing a quick sale to keep my hopes up

I sold a .com the next day so I was pleased the .eu one did'nt go through.

.

jmcc · 04-06-2007, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by gazzip

Results in google just now show 46,600,000 for site:.eu
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It will get there IMO

Yes but most of those pages are 301/302 to the .com or ccTLD versions of the sites. And most of .eu is not developed. It could be at least another year or so until natural development starts to happen in .eu ccTLD.

Regards...jmcc

Jiblob · 04-06-2007, 11:28 AM

I shall wait and see until commenting. I suspect it wont die completely! haha

jmcc · 04-07-2007, 04:55 AM

2,588,593 as of 13:28 today. Looks like .eu is being Junk Dumped.

Regards...jmcc

Jiblob · 04-07-2007, 05:02 AM

Imagine how low .COM would go if all of the junk was dumped.

circa1850 · 04-07-2007, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Jiblob

Imagine how low .COM would go if all of the junk was dumped.

Yeah, and then these forums would have... what, two members?

Jiblob · 04-07-2007, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by circa1850

Originally Posted by Jiblob

Imagine how low .COM would go if all of the junk was dumped.

Yeah, and then these forums would have... what, two members?

hahahaha... true..

hey.co.uk · 04-07-2007, 06:29 AM

It is unsuprising the numbers are dropping - how far is the question

With massive warehousing little end user sites occur and that stifles the worth of a domain.

Personally I think .EU was doomed as unlike .US etc there is multiple languages and many countries have strong nationalities rather than 'european' thoughts.

It is sad to see hype occuring on whatever new extentions are released but thats the way it will go. Big companies have the budget to get names first, and lesser domains with smaller pockets will go aboard the bandwagon to try and make a few quid.

I am not saying there is not value, as selling a name for 100E is still a profit, however I believe there are more fruitful areas.

Just my 10p

Cheers,
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Rob.

circa1850 · 04-07-2007, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by hey.co.uk

It is unsuprising the numbers are dropping - how far is the question

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With massive warehousing little end user sites occur and that stifles the worth of a domain.

Personally I think .EU was doomed as unlike .US etc there is multiple languages and many countries have strong nationalities rather than 'european' thoughts.

It is sad to see hype occuring on whatever new extentions are released but thats the way it will go. Big companies have the budget to get names first, and lesser domains with smaller pockets will go aboard the bandwagon to try and make a few quid.

I am not saying there is not value, as selling a name for 100E is still a profit, however I believe there are more fruitful areas.

Just my 10p

Cheers,
Rob.

Well put. Unfortunately, me and an associate in the UK got taken in with the hype. Dismal failure all around and such poor handling and management by the EURid. Plus, as you say, all the languages.

But most europeans are multilingual and that initially was not too big of a concern. Personally, I know of no stand along .eu website. I would be more than happy to look at one to say I actually saw one. But most .eu domains are strictly a redirect to existing .com or .net sites.

It almost seems it is not even worth the time and effort. Big sales now does not convince me of any short term success let alone long term success and branding in the global marketplace.

And do we truly need a dot Asia?

sdsinc · 04-07-2007, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by hey.co.uk

With massive warehousing little end user sites occur and that stifles the worth of a domain.

Well put indeed. .EU has had a bad image as a result of the massive warehousing. Talk about level playing field.
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Originally Posted by circa1850

But most europeans are multilingual and that initially was not too big of a concern. Personally, I know of no stand along .eu website.

There are a few. I think we will be seeing more in the years to come as the TLD will get a bit more fashionable... just like .us. I believe the TLD will get more recognition, to some extent. After all the purpose of .eu is not be the .com killer

Originally Posted by circa1850

But most .eu domains are strictly a redirect to existing .com or .net sites.

Hardly surprising. I'm doing the same thing

Originally Posted by circa1850

It almost seems it is not even worth the time and effort. Big sales now does not convince me of any short term success let alone long term success and branding in the global marketplace.

As usual you can't go wrong with premium keywords like shopping, hotel, travel etc.

Originally Posted by circa1850

And do we truly need a dot Asia?

Definitely NO. IMO.

AzN · 04-07-2007, 05:11 PM

Whats the point of CCTLD's then if you have .eu and .asia

Seriously, what's next? .NA for north america and .SA for south america?

04-06-2007, 05:23 AM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
jmcc NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 696 Follow @JMcCormac	.eu Falls Below 2.6 Million domains It looks like the Junk Dump is happening on .eu at the moment. Tomorrow is the anniversary of the .eu landrush and over the next few weeks, a lot of junk domains are probably going to be dropped. The .eu active domain count yesterday was approximately 2605363. Now the count is 2598493. The Junk Dump phase always follows a landrush phase. Domains that really were not a good idea tend to get dropped and a TLD falls back to a more reasonable level. The question is: how low will .eu go? Anyone care to hazard a guess? Regards...jmcc

04-06-2007, 05:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
kev KevinMacpherson.co.uk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 3,885	i think the number will continue to fall...personally i am only keeping 2 of my original 20 or so names __________________ One Letter Domain Names for sale including F.AF - 40 other names available all priced to sell

04-06-2007, 05:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
nmr86 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,579	it will drop under 2 million.. i am sure __________________ hello

04-06-2007, 07:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
tetrapak Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Dubayy / Budapest Posts: 2,905	The hype drops and the real usage will pick up, normal. This is basically good news, too many overspeculated names were bought by domainers. The good names will still sell nicely, and the enduser base will grow. __________________ Dubai Marina

04-06-2007, 11:28 AM	#17 (permalink)
Jiblob Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: .co.uk Posts: 2,237 Follow @coultonluke	I shall wait and see until commenting. I suspect it wont die completely! haha __________________ :hi:

04-06-2007, 05:33 AM	THREAD STARTER #4 (permalink)
jmcc NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 696 Follow @JMcCormac	I wouldn't be surprised to see up to a million .eu domains drop in the next few months. A lot of them are undeveloped and most seem to be parked or on hosters' "coming soon" pages. The drops today seem to be gathering pace as well. Since the .eu registry software is based on the DNS.be software, apparently the domains will start to expire at the end of the month (I think). What is happening now may be registrars actively deleting domains. Perhaps we should have a prize for the closest prediction - a .eu domain? Regards...jmcc

04-06-2007, 05:45 AM	#5 (permalink)
webcom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,305	The hype is over. Now that's one big surprise!

04-06-2007, 08:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
circa1850 Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,637	You also have to consider the massive fraud and the piss poor handling of the whole fiasco by EURid to begin with. The EURid is still in seizeing names and have done so with some fake registrars in the UK that were actually front companies. They are trying to prosecute some in the US also. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=313570 There were three individuals who set up 400 bogus registries and regged nearly 300,000 premium EU domains, mostly LLL and NNN. I have kept many for the novelty of it but it is going to take a long while IF at all for this domain to become credible. And if these premium words and numbers are ever released back into the public, I am not sure how that will ultimately affect value but I do not think it will be in a good way.

04-07-2007, 04:55 AM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
jmcc NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 696 Follow @JMcCormac	2,588,593 as of 13:28 today. Looks like .eu is being Junk Dumped. Regards...jmcc

04-07-2007, 05:02 AM	#19 (permalink)
Jiblob Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: .co.uk Posts: 2,237 Follow @coultonluke	Imagine how low .COM would go if all of the junk was dumped. __________________ :hi:

04-07-2007, 06:29 AM	#22 (permalink)
hey.co.uk NamePros Regular Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK / Australia Posts: 209	It is unsuprising the numbers are dropping - how far is the question With massive warehousing little end user sites occur and that stifles the worth of a domain. Personally I think .EU was doomed as unlike .US etc there is multiple languages and many countries have strong nationalities rather than 'european' thoughts. It is sad to see hype occuring on whatever new extentions are released but thats the way it will go. Big companies have the budget to get names first, and lesser domains with smaller pockets will go aboard the bandwagon to try and make a few quid. I am not saying there is not value, as selling a name for 100E is still a profit, however I believe there are more fruitful areas. Just my 10p Cheers, ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=313570 Rob. __________________ Eat more chips! Dont let salad win! I am rob who runs hey. Subscribe to get my .UK sales list - its where the deals are!

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