Illigal copy of script. What kind of action can be take over?

cocaine · 08-30-2006, 09:35 PM

My friend get not a legal copy of vbulletine.
He wants to develop a forum with that.
What kind of action can be taken if anyone knew that?

Barrucadu · 08-30-2006, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by cocaine

My friend get not a legal copy of vbulletine.
He wants to develop a forum with that.
What kind of action can be taken if anyone knew that?

Contact vBulletin staff.

cocaine · 08-30-2006, 09:39 PM

common thats crazy.
i cant do that.

DanR · 08-30-2006, 10:13 PM

If you and/or your "friend" are feeling guilty then deep down you know its not the right thing to do... so DONT DO IT.

Camron · 08-31-2006, 12:06 AM

First of all, if you are going to develop a forum, use free software or pay for it. There is no inbetween, if's, or but's about it. You have got to relize that illegal things are illegal, get into illegal things and illegal things will soon be taking over your car, house, and much more.

Use smf for now (most secure free forum software), then switch over to VB once you have made some ad money, etc, also when the community developes.

It's not worth the risk. Plus if you are on a dedicated server, or worse, a shared account, you can be shut down without warning, and everything is gone unless you backup.
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cocaine · 08-31-2006, 04:13 AM

I am not doing that actually.
Just wanted to know what could be the action over him.

Morph · 08-31-2006, 04:18 AM

Well, i'm sure when his car gets stolen he wont be fussed atall.

Your "friend" is stealing from VB.

tm · 08-31-2006, 04:22 AM

Although I don't agree with what his friend's doing, I wouldn't compare it with stealing a car. I wouldn't compare stealing ANYTHING virtual with ANYTHIING physical - except for things like domains.

Morph · 08-31-2006, 04:26 AM

It was a harsh comparison

cocaine · 08-31-2006, 04:44 AM

no matter what kind of comparision is it.
I just wonder why people here trying to be oversmart.
I just asked what vbulletine can do over him.
Why do you guys compare that with stealing car?
Just ingnore the topic if you dont have correct reply.

Barrucadu · 08-31-2006, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by cocaine

no matter what kind of comparision is it.
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I just wonder why people here trying to be oversmart.
I just asked what vbulletine can do over him.
Why do you guys compare that with stealing car?
Just ingnore the topic if you dont have correct reply.

Welllll, they could press legal charges - he is stealing something from them.

tm · 08-31-2006, 07:48 AM

But most likely they'll just unplug the server.

dhscott · 08-31-2006, 09:56 AM

The hosting company will get contacted by vbulletin, they will say take it down or we will sue, friend loses everything, no refunds. If they had their own server however, (i.e. one they physically control) they will contact your friend directly and if they dont shut it down, they could sue, or just shut their domain down via your friends ISP.

Take the case of thepiratebay.org as an example, but add the fact your friend is doing something illegal, but on a smaller scale

slaughterbeck · 08-31-2006, 10:54 AM

I’ll admit that I’m quite green to these sorts of issues (I wouldn’t ask how an illegal working copy could be possible), however, aren’t there a number of ways to detect stolen and illegal software these days?

If this is something your friend intends to put a good deal of time into, then, a year of usage for vBulletin at the price of $85 or so, doesn’t seem to be too significant to avoid the possible legal action and paranoia that may ensue from such a public action that can, and possibly is, easily traceable, I would almost assuredly guess it is.

I think you should suggest that your friend purchase the software, even if for a trial period to test it out. I can attest that I recently purchased a copy and the only regret I have (at this point, while I’m installing it) is that I didn’t purchase a copy for longer than a year; it’s truly a wonderful piece of software.
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cyberoptik · 08-31-2006, 01:40 PM

qwhois is correct. vBulletin will contact the host of the site that is running an illegal version (vb can find illegal forums fairly easily). They'll tell the host to remove the account, and they most likely will otherwise they could face legal action.

I had a client who did the same thing and I was contacted about his site and was forced to remove the acct.

Virgil · 08-31-2006, 01:53 PM

Jelsoft Enterprises (developers of vBulletin) have a strict anti-piracy policy. They will shut your website, just as other NP'ers have stated,that's for sure. And slaughterbeck is right, vBulletin is worth the price you pay for it.

Badger · 08-31-2006, 02:06 PM

pirate copies of VB are generally devoid of most features.. I guess done deliberately by jelsoft to screw up would be pirateers..

So, why not go get an open source script like phpbb for example... For small forums, phpbb is way easier to hack... And if you have a large forum in mind, then $150 (or whatever it is) is a small price to pay for a genuine copy of VB...

cocaine · 09-01-2006, 07:40 AM

Thank you very much for the information guys.

cobby · 09-06-2006, 10:23 AM

i tell ya theres is a sweet version of phpbb running around. phpbbfm its fully modified. i just installed it on a new project. the only problem is styles but i have a huge pack for the forum. http://www.phpbbfm.net/ tell me what you think. its got better features than the over priced crappy vbulletin and its free

by the way, no matter what jelsoft tries to tell you, they hacked ubb to make that forum software back in the day.

i dont like that company their arrogant.

dhscott · 09-06-2006, 10:53 AM

I don't know how you can say vBulletin is crap and phpBB is good in comparison. Because it's free, it's a lot easier to hack, mainly because the source is open to anyone, anytime. Now adding 440 modifications into the original is just going to make it stupidly insecure, especially considering when you won't use them all.

The best free forum software is not phpBB, but what it is is open to discussion IMO.

abcde · 09-07-2006, 09:44 AM

If vBulletin knows you're using a illegal version, they will try to shut you forum down. So.... you have to back up everyday.

if you really... really like vbulletin but don't have the $ for it, then you can use a Nulled version which you can dl everywhere on the internet.

If you planning on a large community forum ... you should get a legal version.

*Source* · 09-07-2006, 11:05 AM

http://www.bsa.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrig...nt_of_software
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=233284
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/piracy.html
http://www.vbulletin.com/piracy.php

After reading the above links, if your "friend" is determined to move forward with utilizing a pirated copy of vB, then he/she deserves everything he/she gets. Your friend will wish he/she had paid the $165 to license the software.

BasedSolutions · 09-07-2006, 05:04 PM

All vBulletin and IPB copies include in te source code "nullified by" or any other statement made by the hackers.

If the forum is not reported, sooner or later the anti-piracy forces will find the forum through such statements, getting your friend down.

josephwong · 09-08-2006, 12:38 AM

Those notices can be removed...

But its not ethical and the penalties are severe.

Ranging from fines or even a jailterm.

PolurNET · 09-08-2006, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by abcde

If vBulletin knows you're using a illegal version, they will try to shut you forum down. So.... you have to back up everyday.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=233284

if you really... really like vbulletin but don't have the $ for it, then you can use a Nulled version which you can dl everywhere on the internet.

If you planning on a large community forum ... you should get a legal version.

Umm, quite surprising you ostensibly condone an "illegal" version... regardless of whether you have the money for it or not, a large community or not, downloading and using an illegal copy (eg. "null") is a serious punishable offence; there is no "second" option to the legal version, PERIOD.

Backing up every day is silly, if you get caught once, you plan to get caught again?!

08-30-2006, 09:35 PM	THREAD STARTER #1 (permalink)
cocaine Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kathmandu Posts: 819	Illigal copy of script. What kind of action can be take over? My friend get not a legal copy of vbulletine. He wants to develop a forum with that. What kind of action can be taken if anyone knew that?

08-30-2006, 10:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
DanR AdToll.com Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 256	If you and/or your "friend" are feeling guilty then deep down you know its not the right thing to do... so DONT DO IT. __________________ AdToll.com : 75% share : 20%-Adv. 10%-Pub. Aff. profit share : Text, Banner, Video & Peel Away : Paypal, Check, Wire

08-31-2006, 12:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
Camron Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 2,102 Follow @hostingfuze	First of all, if you are going to develop a forum, use free software or pay for it. There is no inbetween, if's, or but's about it. You have got to relize that illegal things are illegal, get into illegal things and illegal things will soon be taking over your car, house, and much more. Use smf for now (most secure free forum software), then switch over to VB once you have made some ad money, etc, also when the community developes. It's not worth the risk. Plus if you are on a dedicated server, or worse, a shared account, you can be shut down without warning, and everything is gone unless you backup. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/business-development/233284-illigal-copy-script-what-kind-action.html Better be safe than sorry __________________ HostingFuze.com Premium Master Reseller Services \| 99.9% Uptime Guaranteed SLA \| Starting at $4.95/mo Basic Reseller Hosting @ HostFz.com - Services starting as low as $1.95/mo!

08-31-2006, 04:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
Morph Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: England Posts: 4,570	Well, i'm sure when his car gets stolen he wont be fussed atall. Your "friend" is stealing from VB. __________________ If you always do what you've always done, you'll always have what you've always had.

08-31-2006, 04:22 AM	#8 (permalink)
tm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: on a oil rig just off Ireland Posts: 1,408	Although I don't agree with what his friend's doing, I wouldn't compare it with stealing a car. I wouldn't compare stealing ANYTHING virtual with ANYTHIING physical - except for things like domains. __________________ You design in photoshop, I code into valid XHTML/CSS. Professional PSD, PNG or HTML to tableless XHTML/CSS designs. For more info, send me a PM.

08-30-2006, 09:39 PM	THREAD STARTER #3 (permalink)
cocaine Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kathmandu Posts: 819	common thats crazy. i cant do that.

08-31-2006, 04:13 AM	THREAD STARTER #6 (permalink)
cocaine Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kathmandu Posts: 819	I am not doing that actually. Just wanted to know what could be the action over him.

08-31-2006, 04:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
Morph Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: England Posts: 4,570	It was a harsh comparison __________________ If you always do what you've always done, you'll always have what you've always had.

08-31-2006, 04:44 AM	THREAD STARTER #10 (permalink)
cocaine Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kathmandu Posts: 819	no matter what kind of comparision is it. I just wonder why people here trying to be oversmart. I just asked what vbulletine can do over him. Why do you guys compare that with stealing car? Just ingnore the topic if you dont have correct reply.

08-31-2006, 07:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
tm Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: on a oil rig just off Ireland Posts: 1,408	But most likely they'll just unplug the server. __________________ You design in photoshop, I code into valid XHTML/CSS. Professional PSD, PNG or HTML to tableless XHTML/CSS designs. For more info, send me a PM.

08-31-2006, 09:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
dhscott Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,345	The hosting company will get contacted by vbulletin, they will say take it down or we will sue, friend loses everything, no refunds. If they had their own server however, (i.e. one they physically control) they will contact your friend directly and if they dont shut it down, they could sue, or just shut their domain down via your friends ISP. Take the case of thepiratebay.org as an example, but add the fact your friend is doing something illegal, but on a smaller scale

08-31-2006, 10:54 AM	#14 (permalink)
slaughterbeck Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Lansing MI Posts: 2,553	I’ll admit that I’m quite green to these sorts of issues (I wouldn’t ask how an illegal working copy could be possible), however, aren’t there a number of ways to detect stolen and illegal software these days? If this is something your friend intends to put a good deal of time into, then, a year of usage for vBulletin at the price of $85 or so, doesn’t seem to be too significant to avoid the possible legal action and paranoia that may ensue from such a public action that can, and possibly is, easily traceable, I would almost assuredly guess it is. I think you should suggest that your friend purchase the software, even if for a trial period to test it out. I can attest that I recently purchased a copy and the only regret I have (at this point, while I’m installing it) is that I didn’t purchase a copy for longer than a year; it’s truly a wonderful piece of software. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=233284 Best wishes, Kimmy __________________ Feed the Children I love my country, I love my soldiers, I hate my war.

08-31-2006, 01:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
cyberoptik Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 1,106	qwhois is correct. vBulletin will contact the host of the site that is running an illegal version (vb can find illegal forums fairly easily). They'll tell the host to remove the account, and they most likely will otherwise they could face legal action. I had a client who did the same thing and I was contacted about his site and was forced to remove the acct. __________________ Website Scripts - The Best Scripts on the Web Follow Scripteen on Facebook!

08-31-2006, 01:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
Virgil NamePros Regular Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 958	Jelsoft Enterprises (developers of vBulletin) have a strict anti-piracy policy. They will shut your website, just as other NP'ers have stated,that's for sure. And slaughterbeck is right, vBulletin is worth the price you pay for it.

08-31-2006, 02:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	pirate copies of VB are generally devoid of most features.. I guess done deliberately by jelsoft to screw up would be pirateers.. So, why not go get an open source script like phpbb for example... For small forums, phpbb is way easier to hack... And if you have a large forum in mind, then $150 (or whatever it is) is a small price to pay for a genuine copy of VB... __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

09-01-2006, 07:40 AM	THREAD STARTER #18 (permalink)
cocaine Account Closed Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Kathmandu Posts: 819	Thank you very much for the information guys.

09-06-2006, 10:23 AM	#19 (permalink)
cobby NamePros Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Presque Isle, Me Posts: 31	i tell ya theres is a sweet version of phpbb running around. phpbbfm its fully modified. i just installed it on a new project. the only problem is styles but i have a huge pack for the forum. http://www.phpbbfm.net/ tell me what you think. its got better features than the over priced crappy vbulletin and its free by the way, no matter what jelsoft tries to tell you, they hacked ubb to make that forum software back in the day. i dont like that company their arrogant. __________________ Best Regards Cobby Drost Camley Interactivecamley.info The Developers of coderspace.info

09-06-2006, 10:53 AM	#20 (permalink)
dhscott Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,345	I don't know how you can say vBulletin is crap and phpBB is good in comparison. Because it's free, it's a lot easier to hack, mainly because the source is open to anyone, anytime. Now adding 440 modifications into the original is just going to make it stupidly insecure, especially considering when you won't use them all. The best free forum software is not phpBB, but what it is is open to discussion IMO.

09-07-2006, 09:44 AM	#21 (permalink)
abcde NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 579	If vBulletin knows you're using a illegal version, they will try to shut you forum down. So.... you have to back up everyday. if you really... really like vbulletin but don't have the $ for it, then you can use a Nulled version which you can dl everywhere on the internet. If you planning on a large community forum ... you should get a legal version. __________________ Freebies and Giveaways - Printable Coupons - Hot Deals - Coupons - Deal of the Day

09-07-2006, 11:05 AM	#22 (permalink)
Source NamePros Supporter Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,526	http://www.bsa.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyrig...nt_of_software ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=233284 http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/piracy.html http://www.vbulletin.com/piracy.php After reading the above links, if your "friend" is determined to move forward with utilizing a pirated copy of vB, then he/she deserves everything he/she gets. Your friend will wish he/she had paid the $165 to license the software.

09-07-2006, 05:04 PM	#23 (permalink)
BasedSolutions New Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: close to you Posts: 23	All vBulletin and IPB copies include in te source code "nullified by" or any other statement made by the hackers. If the forum is not reported, sooner or later the anti-piracy forces will find the forum through such statements, getting your friend down.

09-08-2006, 12:38 AM	#24 (permalink)
josephwong Account Closed Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	Those notices can be removed... But its not ethical and the penalties are severe. Ranging from fines or even a jailterm.

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