Religious Question. - Page 4

DN Tycoon · 06-07-2005, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

Oh really? Seems you've made your own bed, dont be upset if i force you to lay in it. ie:

btw, yes. calling someones beliefs "mumbo jumbo" is making fun of someone's beliefs.

A very loaded statement, and intentionally so. Dont be so passive aggressive, it's really unbecoming

or by calling your beliefs mumbo jumbo? would that be a good example?

Words you should heed tycoon

really now? please, do try to explain away the Hopefull Monster theory (hint: its a major tenet of evolution)

Quiant.

Some words from "My Father"...

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"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, Jesus.. so that all may have everlasting life."

Attack all you want...again no reference from you go figure...me saying something is mumbo jumbo is my opinion as I am entitled to it...you labeling me is disrespectful and so is the others who have attacked me...I wash my hands of this nonsense...the only thing I have learned from this thread is not to have discussion that do not involve domain names and related topics as this if definatly not the forum to have a good discussion on unrelated topics...This is my last post in this thread and any unrelated DN threads on this forum...have fun and thanks for the lesson

LeeRyder · 06-07-2005, 01:10 AM

pitty you couldnt be bothered to go out of your way for something "you wanted an answer too".

but again, I do know your type and it is no surprise.

See, the issue I truly have is, through all that I could post or sayor prove or share.... you would never bow your knee and give your heart to the God who gave everything...

primacomputer · 06-07-2005, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by DN Tycoon

First off good write up, second this last paragraph has caught my attention. How exactly do you know all of this is true? You speak as if you were there during the seven days. Ever notice how GOD was so active back in History but not a peep from him/her/it in modern day? If I ask GOD to give me a sign that he exists would he show me? You believe what others have told you about GOD with no proof just words, books and preachers, the greatest trick ever played on man was religion it's popularity has remained strong because of word of mouth...husband and wife believe in GOD have children then expose them to GOD..what else is a kid to think? Are we programmed at an early age to conform to the religious ideas of GOD? Another thing that has kept religion so popular is threats, death and being looked down upon for not believing in GOD or believing in other religions...You don't believe in GOD then you are a sinner...you sinned you are going to Hell....this is a sin and that is a sin...the devil is inside him....putting the fear into man to make them believe in GOD. Not to mention that the Bible degrades women..tells us people lived to be 900 years old...fathers and mothers could have all the men of the town stone their son to death if he does not listen to what they tell him to do....a man can have two wives..animal sacrafices fo unsolved murders....it says also that when going into war with your enemies don't be afraid because the LORD will be with you...well would the LORD not also be with the enemies as well?...you are not suppose to eat pigs because they are unclean and they don't chew their own cud...the LORD tells us to destroy every other religion and their temples, alters, idols and so forth...the Bible teaches us to kill some sinners to purge the evil out....so seeing how these are the commands of the LORD and it says in the Bible that they must be followed I assume you all follow these right?

Well, you would assume wrong. This is mainly because you started off on a false pretence that I “believe what others have told you about GOD with no proof just words, books and preachers”. If this were true then (due to my Christian upbringing) I would believe that Sunday 0:00 was the start of the Sabbath, rather than acknowledge the millennia old Hebrew tradition of observing it from dusk till dusk starting on Friday.
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I have studied a number of religions. I don't mean attending a few services or reading a few books, but critically studying the documents at school. I think trying to discern what someone believes from a few paragraphs is about as futile as a man trying to “understand” God.

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

OK, firstly.. you have to remember the Bible isn't a "how too" book or an autobiography

It's a love letter to you, from God.

Your half right, maybe a bit less. A large part of the new testament is just what you describe. A large part of the old testament, however, is a how-to manual or list of genealogy. Numbers is probably the longest HOW-TO I have ever read.

Originally Posted by se

father, the son (jesus) and the Holy spirit are God.

The seperate individuals,but they in essence work as one..they think one..and they accomplish one thing.

What a weird concept. I wonder how someone two thousand years ago could relate to something like this. An all powerful being, or group of beings, that can think as one and act as one, and create a universe in the blink of an eye (or seven days if you insist). I guess you'd think about them as a traditional governmental unit – a father and a son, with some sort of spirit that could deal with the ethereal tasks.

I could well imagine that if God chose to pen his how-to/biography/love-letter today, through someone in today's culture, the Godhead would be a mini Borg collective. You'd have 1 of 3 “The Father”, primary adjunct of unimatrix JHV1, 2 of 3 “The Son”, secondary adjunct of unimatrix JHV1, and 3 of 3 “The Holy Spirit”, tertiary adjunct on unimatrix JHV1 or perhaps unimatrix JHV1 itself.

As silly as it sounds, it is probably just as close to any reality as the father/son/spirit thing. The thing is that beings who are so awesomely powerful that they can create a universe are bound to have job titles, or even names that a human could not even pronounce, let alone comprehend.

suthra · 06-09-2005, 05:45 AM

Ok, I am bumping. I love religious threads

CrazyTech · 06-09-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Exactly how am I stubborn...I have not outed any possiblilities as to what the truth is or put down anyones beliefs or ideals...my post are my opinions and experiences...I try to extract other peoples thoughts and theories through discussion, I don;t attack people as I have been attacked in this thread for laying out my opinions...in fact I lay across most religions and have studied and had many discussions on them all...I have never been set in my ways and have always been open minded never just thinking it's one way and one way only...I said most Christians are set in their ways and think they are right and anything else is wrong...from my experiences. I never said it was not good or bad to believe in something you need to read all my posts....I am not stubborn in this topic..so far I have been attacked twice for doing nothing but posting my opions, thoughts and questions.....I think maybe you need to step back read the whole thread and realize you are out of place..

So calling someone's beliefs mumbo jumbo doesn't qualify as an insult?
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What you believe is crap.

How does that feel? That's what you've told myself and other in this thread.

*Note here...I'm doing this solely to get a point across.*

I still stand by my posts. You cannot criticize someone for what you yourself do. I respect that you have an opinion on the matter although I don't agree with it.

I have to sit back and laugh though. You come into this thread opening up with your opinion on how it all should be and then get mad when everyone doesn't agree with you. It's one thing to hold a discussion on religion - it's an entirely different thing when you start calling what others believe mumbo jumbo. Open minded?

LeeRyder · 06-09-2005, 08:50 PM

Crazy, you must learn the liberal dictionary:

Open Minded: Adjective;
To push your ideologies on everyone else so they are forced to accept your ideas and feelings and forego all other things, including truth, justice and the American way.
See also: Bullshit

primacomputer · 06-10-2005, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

Crazy, you must learn the liberal dictionary:
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Open Minded: Adjective;
To push your ideologies on everyone else so they are forced to accept your ideas and feelings and forego all other things, including truth, justice and the American way.
See also: Bullshit

Brilliant!

Stubborn: Adjective;
To resist those who push their ideologies on everyone else so you are forced to accept their ideas and feelings and forego all other things, including truth, justice and the American way.

LeeRyder · 06-10-2005, 09:58 AM

well, I could use

Ignorant, but then that would be way too obvious and way too many people would automatically assume I meant you.

CrazyTech · 06-10-2005, 10:50 AM

It's not worth throwing the insults either way.

People can't seem to handle themselves properly when it comes to religion so we might as well close this one down. I'm tired of hearing that I force my beliefs on anyone when I discuss religion - I make it a habit not to force my beliefs. If you want to spend your lives stereotyping everyone you meet then by all means go right ahead.

Anyways, for anyone who wants to talk religion anytime feel free to PM me or anything. I am open to discuss, but please keep your insults to yourself.

komp · 06-10-2005, 11:05 AM

I'm lost what is the argument now Is he real or not real??

ewomack · 06-10-2005, 12:16 PM

This is how all religious threads end up. It goes on and on back and forth "you're wrong" "no, you're wrong" then it accelerates to "you're stupid" "no, you're stupid" then "you insulted me" "no, you insulted me" and so on and on and in the end nothing whatsoever is accomplished besides some good insults (and some of them ARE good insults, so it's not a total loss, I guess).

It's too bad. It's a good topic. People just can't seem to handle it.

LeeRyder · 06-10-2005, 12:22 PM

nah ewo...not like that really. not here at least. Prima just doesnt like me and enjoys trying to insult me at any post he can lol. Just enjoy it for the humor that it is

komp · 06-10-2005, 12:29 PM

In a way ''weird way'' it's good that people feel so strong about religon, Something that does make my blood boil is when people say there is no life in space, You have to explian for hrs

LeeRyder · 06-10-2005, 12:32 PM

uhh.. considering the extremes (heat/cold/radiation/lack of food sources/oxygen/water) there is no life in space

but it you mean other planets.. well I am doubtfull of it, but who knows.

I get stuck with one Bible Passage there:

(paraphrased from memory)
"For the Lord made the stars in the heavens for life."

interesting paragraph

primacomputer · 06-10-2005, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by LeeRyder

uhh.. considering the extremes (heat/cold/radiation/lack of food sources/oxygen/water) there is no life in space

but it you mean other planets.. well I am doubtfull of it, but who knows.

I get stuck with one Bible Passage there:

(paraphrased from memory)
"For the Lord made the stars in the heavens for life."

interesting paragraph

Well considering that the galaxy, the solar system, and the earth are all in space I would say the chances of there being life in space is 100%. The chance of there being intelligent life are questionable.

Isn't it a sin to misquote God? Even if it is just a paragraph, er sentence.

I don't hate you Lee, but I can appreciate how someone of your principals would interpret as hate any attempts to use logic to reach a conclusion that might be critical of America or the religious right.

LeeRyder · 06-11-2005, 01:39 AM

Quote:

but I can appreciate how someone of your principals would interpret as hate any attempts to use logic to reach a conclusion that might be critical of America or the religious right.

logical and liberal are oxymorons. (look it up

)

primacomputer · 06-11-2005, 02:11 AM

I don't see how you can say that “logical” is an oxymoron. Perhaps we should look up the definition of oxymoron while we're digging through the dictionary

Nevertheless I understand what you were trying to say. And, believe it or not, I agree. You can not be logical when you have a liberal bias any more than you can be logical when you have a conservative one. You can only be logical when you are willing to weigh all the options and choose the best course of action regardless of what you were trained to believe.

komp · 06-11-2005, 02:48 AM

-Theres more stars then grains of sand in the whole world.
-Take 1 piece of grain, This will represent earth.
-Out of all the (katrillions billions millions zillions X 80 million more) Of grains of sand left.
-Were are the only planet with life.....

Humdizzy · 06-11-2005, 02:24 PM

1,000 veiws.

LeeRyder · 06-11-2005, 05:23 PM

komp... do some research on drakes equation, you'll find it leaves out the most important math to make life possible.

komp · 06-12-2005, 03:49 AM

Thanks i will do, Where did this thread all go wrong?

-db- · 06-12-2005, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by komp

Where did this thread all go wrong?

And on the 487,653,947th day, man created the Internet forum... and he saw it was bad.

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jamminsport16 · 06-22-2005, 09:01 AM

errm wut about 'predestination'. the idea that god knows everything. therefore he knows who will be saved --> in heaven.

CrazyTech · 06-22-2005, 09:36 AM

Predestination is indeed the idea that God already knows where you're going - and he does. However, the predestination of years ago let certain people choose who was going where - thereby making some people think they're God. Naturally the important and influential people went to heaven and the outcasts went down below with this system.

However, only God knows where we're going. The choices are laid out in front of us in life - we're free to make our own decisions. He is a free-will God. But in the end, God already knows the decisions that we make.

jamminsport16 · 06-22-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by CrazyTech

Predestination is indeed the idea that God already knows where you're going - and he does. However, the predestination of years ago let certain people choose who was going where - thereby making some people think they're God. Naturally the important and influential people went to heaven and the outcasts went down below with this system.
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However, only God knows where we're going. The choices are laid out in front of us in life - we're free to make our own decisions. He is a free-will God. But in the end, God already knows the decisions that we make.

Yeah so it all comes down to free will. Thanks for your fast reply crazy =]

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	pitty you couldnt be bothered to go out of your way for something "you wanted an answer too". but again, I do know your type and it is no surprise. See, the issue I truly have is, through all that I could post or sayor prove or share.... you would never bow your knee and give your heart to the God who gave everything...

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	Crazy, you must learn the liberal dictionary: Open Minded: Adjective; To push your ideologies on everyone else so they are forced to accept your ideas and feelings and forego all other things, including truth, justice and the American way. See also: Bullshit

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	well, I could use Ignorant, but then that would be way too obvious and way too many people would automatically assume I meant you.

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CrazyTech NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,043	It's not worth throwing the insults either way. People can't seem to handle themselves properly when it comes to religion so we might as well close this one down. I'm tired of hearing that I force my beliefs on anyone when I discuss religion - I make it a habit not to force my beliefs. If you want to spend your lives stereotyping everyone you meet then by all means go right ahead. Anyways, for anyone who wants to talk religion anytime feel free to PM me or anything. I am open to discuss, but please keep your insults to yourself.

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komp NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 722	I'm lost what is the argument now Is he real or not real??

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	nah ewo...not like that really. not here at least. Prima just doesnt like me and enjoys trying to insult me at any post he can lol. Just enjoy it for the humor that it is

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komp NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 722	In a way ''weird way'' it's good that people feel so strong about religon, Something that does make my blood boil is when people say there is no life in space, You have to explian for hrs

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	uhh.. considering the extremes (heat/cold/radiation/lack of food sources/oxygen/water) there is no life in space but it you mean other planets.. well I am doubtfull of it, but who knows. I get stuck with one Bible Passage there: (paraphrased from memory) "For the Lord made the stars in the heavens for life." interesting paragraph

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primacomputer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,402	I don't see how you can say that “logical” is an oxymoron. Perhaps we should look up the definition of oxymoron while we're digging through the dictionary Nevertheless I understand what you were trying to say. And, believe it or not, I agree. You can not be logical when you have a liberal bias any more than you can be logical when you have a conservative one. You can only be logical when you are willing to weigh all the options and choose the best course of action regardless of what you were trained to believe.

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LeeRyder Account Suspended Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Left Coast Posts: 3,503	komp... do some research on drakes equation, you'll find it leaves out the most important math to make life possible.

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komp NamePros Regular Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 722	Thanks i will do, Where did this thread all go wrong?

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CrazyTech NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: South Carolina Posts: 5,043	Predestination is indeed the idea that God already knows where you're going - and he does. However, the predestination of years ago let certain people choose who was going where - thereby making some people think they're God. Naturally the important and influential people went to heaven and the outcasts went down below with this system. However, only God knows where we're going. The choices are laid out in front of us in life - we're free to make our own decisions. He is a free-will God. But in the end, God already knows the decisions that we make.

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