The Unofficial NP Domain Appraisal Guide - Page 3

skyraider · 04-13-2005, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Badger

Errrrr, did anyone mention removing NP$ for posting...????

There are at least 10 members I could name (but wont) who post 10/20 appraisals within 5 minutes. Now thats research for ya....

Now, you might say they are just trying to learn and they have as valid opinion as anyone else... And I say b****** to that.... The only reason the serial (waste of time) appraisers even bother to turn up is to work their way to 700 np$ (or whatever it is) to earn themselves their (in most cases) 1st domain...

And what this does is turn the appraisal forum into a mockery...

You have the time, i'll show you at least a dozen appraisals given in the last few weeks where utter rubbish is being posted. And posted by people without a shred of knowledge or interest for that matter of what they are talking about... I may bleat on like an old woman about it whilst my fellow domainers sit back and keep quiet with the view that "why do i bother myself trying to change things, you know what your domains are worth"... And I say, I learnt a lot here and have made a lot of money doing so.. And thus i want to give back something and not let scammers (for thats all they are) ruin it for the next bunch of NP members
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/79784-the-unofficial-np-domain-appraisal-guide.html

The end....

Amen brother *insert priest smiley here*

RJ · 04-13-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Badger

I think you may be p*ssing in the wind my friend. Utopia will never be achieved here all the time there is a tangible gain to be had in through appraising domains...
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

I personally thing the domain appraisal forum gets lower and lower in relevance as the days go by and am deeply surprised Ron and the boys appear somewhat 'laissez faire' when it comes round to addressing the issue/problem....

I'm sorry it seems that way. I have in fact come up with a unique plan for improving the quality of posts in the appraisal forum. It is just taking me a while to set it up properly.

Carry on....

skyraider · 04-13-2005, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by -RJ-

I'm sorry it seems that way. I have in fact come up with a unique plan for improving the quality of posts in the appraisal forum. It is just taking me a while to set it up properly.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Carry on....

Excellent. Thanks for taking action, -RJ-. I can't wait to see this new system up and running.

cera · 04-13-2005, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by -RJ-

I'm sorry it seems that way. I have in fact come up with a unique plan for improving the quality of posts in the appraisal forum. It is just taking me a while to set it up properly.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Carry on....

It does seem that way.
Looking forward to ANY action that improves the quality of posts in the appraisal forum.

KinglyDomains

domain.addict · 04-14-2005, 10:34 AM

http://www.namepros.com/showthread.p...765#post539765

The new system of Q & A's looks like it will reduce the amount of worthless posts as you need to fill them out, before you can receive $NP for your posts. Skyraider should be very pleased -.-

Jamison54 · 04-14-2005, 02:16 PM

Great article! I agree with this all, even since I've also posted "Low $xx" "Mid $xx" "High $xx" etc, and I agree that more should be explained.

RTM · 04-14-2005, 07:42 PM

I think the new Q&A feature is a great step forward. Will be heading off to my profile to fill it out - I hope it can be updated, and isn't just a 1 time Q&A session. The (a)nswers do evolve over time

Excellent initiative - shows that the NP staff is truly responsive to the community!

Rob

RJ · 04-15-2005, 04:04 AM

Originally Posted by RTM

I think the new Q&A feature is a great step forward. Will be heading off to my profile to fill it out - I hope it can be updated, and isn't just a 1 time Q&A session. The (a)nswers do evolve over time

Excellent initiative - shows that the NP staff is truly responsive to the community!

Rob

Absolutely, you can update your Q&A's anytime. Even mine is just a rough draft at this point. I don't want to take this thread too far off the original topic, but I'm glad you guys like the new changes.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

RJ

harpo · 04-15-2005, 04:39 AM

some of the most profound things may be said with just a suggestion, or one word or just a smile who is to say what is meaningful and deserves points, in a post??
i dont want to be a number of any ones calculation ,

"And she shows you where to look amoungst the gar ba ge and the flowers
their are heros in the seaweed they are leaning out for love they will lean that way forever as susan holds the mirror."
Leonard Cohen " susan song"

Badger · 04-15-2005, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by harpo

"And she shows you where to look amoungst the gar ba ge and the flowers
their are heros in the seaweed they are leaning out for love they will lean that way forever as susan holds the mirror."
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784
Leonard Cohen " susan song"

Seeing as its Friday, can i have some of what youve been drinking Harpo...??

skyraider · 04-15-2005, 01:17 PM

Added example #4: appraising three-letter domains. It's rather brief, but should give readers a good idea on a 3-letter (not character) domain's value. Feedback on this example is appreciated

Thanks.

RJ · 04-15-2005, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by skyraider

Added example #4: appraising three-letter domains. It's rather brief, but should give readers a good idea on a 3-letter (not character) domain's value. Feedback on this example is appreciated

Right on target with example #4.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Check the paragraph right after your new addition. I believe it belongs with the .SC-related paragraph in example #3.

skyraider · 04-15-2005, 01:56 PM

Fixed that; thanks.

Sabre · 04-26-2005, 04:08 AM

Great idea Ron

Was just waiting for you to input this thread

wot · 05-18-2005, 07:41 PM

The mods must feel like they are banging their heads sometimes.

This is the latest type of "appraisal"-

" Reg fee

View Appraisal Methods and Profile for "name of appraiser" "

Some members are using the new system to continue to say nothing. And do they get NP's for this?

Still a good forum, keep up the good work.

skyraider · 05-18-2005, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by wot

The mods must feel like they are banging their heads sometimes.

This is the latest type of "appraisal"-

" Reg fee

View Appraisal Methods and Profile for "name of appraiser" "
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Some members are using the new system to continue to say nothing. And do they get NP's for this?

Still a good forum, keep up the good work.

Yep; unforunately, the appraisal methods chart didn't help all that much. Reasons need to be posted.

@ RJ: What would you think about modifying the appraisals forum to include additional fields in replies such as "What would you pay for it?" and "What kind of website would bring in lots of $$ with this name?". These could be like the "Title" field, and would be displayed automatically inside the reply.

There's also a lot of "Low $xx, more if devved. Low $xx, more if devved. Low $xx..." etc.

I have an idea. See my thread here.

EDIT: Updated my post with the "appraise for what you're willing to pay" method.

RJ · 05-18-2005, 11:05 PM

Apparently it has not eliminated up all instances of junk appraisals, but in my observations the new Q&A requirement has improved overall quality quite a bit. If I come across appraisals like the one wot mentioned and that user's other appraisals are along the same line (short or spamlike w/o explanation) then it only takes me a couple of clicks to unapprove them to earn NP$ for appraisals. I can't be everywhere though, so drop me a name if you see something you would consider appraisal spamming.

I posted a "Newbies Guide to Appraisals" at http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/82655-guide-for-namepros-appraisers.html that describes some good methods of offering constructive opinions even for those without extensive backgrounds in valuating names. I'm trying to give everyone a shot to earn NP$ for appraisal posts, regardless of experience.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Thanks for the input,

RJ

Jonathan · 06-01-2005, 11:10 PM

I did the Q&As maybe a week ago, but I don't think they were accepted. Does that mean they were declined?

wot · 06-01-2005, 11:56 PM

I have now, offenders take note, or not as they tend to do

Originally Posted by JeffFair enough ... please continue to add those thoughts and comments to the referenced post's "Domain Discussion" thread:
http://www.namepros.com/79784-the-unofficial-np-domain-appraisal-guide-3.html
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

... rather than commentary on same within every one of your "Appraisals Forum" threads, IMHO. The process can be discussed - and ways to improve upon it - in this fashion, rather than singling out / taking exception with individual appraisers here in the threads. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from in this regard.

Appreciates.
-Jeff

No probs- but at least this way notice gets taken, because obviously the individuals are not referriing to the correct thread

wot · 06-02-2005, 08:44 AM

OK now I give up, this followed the last post!

low xx$ IMHO

View Appraisal Methods and Profile for Petter

wot · 06-03-2005, 07:07 PM

help.大家帮我评估下这个域名 - on the appraisals thread

The absolute classic for spam appraisals, value or not I am pretty well sure that most of the "appraisers" have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and still they insist on "reg fee" etc and get their NP's.

Nobody else seems to care so carry on regardless.

www.AmCy.org · 06-03-2005, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by wot

help.大家帮我评估下这个域名 - on the appraisals thread...

Heh...that's some funny stuff. I guess there's still some work to be done before the junk appraisals get eliminated. Maybe the only solution is to remove the ability to earn NP$ in the appraisal forum. Oh well.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

AmCy

-db- · 06-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Wot, more people care than you think, but in my opinion....

On a forum this size, with this percentage of youngsters (both in age, and time in the business), realistically there is only so much that can be done. No matter how hard you try, you can't teach 'experience'. They have to live it & learn it. Many of these guys are very young, and each learns at their own pace. From what I've seen, most of them are trying to do the right thing. Like anything, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

Plus, for me personally, it helps to keep my sanity on the subject by reminding myself that the best appraisal in the world, from the most experienced domainer on the planet - can't buy me a cup of coffee. That helps keep things in perspective on the whole 'appraisal' issue to begin with.

Appraisals are opinions. You can't force opinions on people. You can only try to change them thru education.

I just don't think it's a beast that can be fully tamed. It's the nature of appraisals to be 'wild'.

skyraider · 06-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by www.AmCy.org

Heh...that's some funny stuff. I guess there's still some work to be done before the junk appraisals get eliminated. Maybe the only solution is to remove the ability to earn NP$ in the appraisal forum. Oh well.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

AmCy

That may work.

One example of careless appraising (IMO): "OhioValley.com - hmm - low $xx" < actually happened.

Joey · 06-04-2005, 05:07 PM

Thanks for the excellent post, great job! (Now I know what I'm doing

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04-14-2005, 10:34 AM	#55 (permalink)
domain.addict Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: My Imagination Posts: 1,635	http://www.namepros.com/showthread.p...765#post539765 The new system of Q & A's looks like it will reduce the amount of worthless posts as you need to fill them out, before you can receive $NP for your posts. Skyraider should be very pleased -.- __________________ iPhone game reviews

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04-15-2005, 04:39 AM	#59 (permalink)
harpo Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The Source Posts: 1,045	some of the most profound things may be said with just a suggestion, or one word or just a smile who is to say what is meaningful and deserves points, in a post?? i dont want to be a number of any ones calculation , "And she shows you where to look amoungst the gar ba ge and the flowers their are heros in the seaweed they are leaning out for love they will lean that way forever as susan holds the mirror." Leonard Cohen " susan song" __________________ ppc.us cia.info LL3.com

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05-18-2005, 07:41 PM	#65 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	The mods must feel like they are banging their heads sometimes. This is the latest type of "appraisal"- " Reg fee View Appraisal Methods and Profile for "name of appraiser" " Some members are using the new system to continue to say nothing. And do they get NP's for this? Still a good forum, keep up the good work. __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com Last edited by wot; 05-18-2005 at 08:03 PM.

05-18-2005, 11:05 PM	#67 (permalink)
RJ NamePros Webmaster Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,930 Follow @DomainBuyer	Apparently it has not eliminated up all instances of junk appraisals, but in my observations the new Q&A requirement has improved overall quality quite a bit. If I come across appraisals like the one wot mentioned and that user's other appraisals are along the same line (short or spamlike w/o explanation) then it only takes me a couple of clicks to unapprove them to earn NP$ for appraisals. I can't be everywhere though, so drop me a name if you see something you would consider appraisal spamming. I posted a "Newbies Guide to Appraisals" at http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/82655-guide-for-namepros-appraisers.html that describes some good methods of offering constructive opinions even for those without extensive backgrounds in valuating names. I'm trying to give everyone a shot to earn NP$ for appraisal posts, regardless of experience. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784 Thanks for the input, RJ __________________ @DomainBuyer facebook

06-01-2005, 11:10 PM	#68 (permalink)
Jonathan NamePros Regular Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 305	I did the Q&As maybe a week ago, but I don't think they were accepted. Does that mean they were declined?

06-01-2005, 11:56 PM	#69 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	I have now, offenders take note, or not as they tend to do Originally Posted by JeffFair enough ... please continue to add those thoughts and comments to the referenced post's "Domain Discussion" thread: http://www.namepros.com/79784-the-unofficial-np-domain-appraisal-guide-3.html ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784 ... rather than commentary on same within every one of your "Appraisals Forum" threads, IMHO. The process can be discussed - and ways to improve upon it - in this fashion, rather than singling out / taking exception with individual appraisers here in the threads. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from in this regard. Appreciates. -Jeff No probs- but at least this way notice gets taken, because obviously the individuals are not referriing to the correct thread __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com

06-02-2005, 08:44 AM	#70 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	OK now I give up, this followed the last post! low xx$ IMHO View Appraisal Methods and Profile for Petter __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com

06-03-2005, 07:07 PM	#71 (permalink)
wot NamePros Expert Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Golden Triangle Posts: 5,776	help.大家帮我评估下这个域名 - on the appraisals thread The absolute classic for spam appraisals, value or not I am pretty well sure that most of the "appraisers" have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and still they insist on "reg fee" etc and get their NP's. Nobody else seems to care so carry on regardless. __________________ Perú.co,上海.biz,红旗.com,MonikerBlog.com 247.in,888Blog.com,México.co,中国888.com

06-03-2005, 07:54 PM	#73 (permalink)
-db- NamePros Inc. Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Under the bed. Posts: 5,618	Wot, more people care than you think, but in my opinion.... On a forum this size, with this percentage of youngsters (both in age, and time in the business), realistically there is only so much that can be done. No matter how hard you try, you can't teach 'experience'. They have to live it & learn it. Many of these guys are very young, and each learns at their own pace. From what I've seen, most of them are trying to do the right thing. Like anything, a few bad apples can spoil the bunch. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784 Plus, for me personally, it helps to keep my sanity on the subject by reminding myself that the best appraisal in the world, from the most experienced domainer on the planet - can't buy me a cup of coffee. That helps keep things in perspective on the whole 'appraisal' issue to begin with. Appraisals are opinions. You can't force opinions on people. You can only try to change them thru education. I just don't think it's a beast that can be fully tamed. It's the nature of appraisals to be 'wild'. __________________ I support Children: Wish.org \| MissingKids.com I support Animals: SPCA.org \| SPCA.com Jeff \| Armstrong \| Grrilla - First 3 inductees into NamePro's Hall-Of-Fame.

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