The Unofficial NP Domain Appraisal Guide - Page 2

skyraider · 04-03-2005, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by True_Snake

That might be a good idea; except folks who do it sincerely might be at 'loss' here.

About turning NP$ off in the Appraisal forum: don't you think that True_Snake is right? A better way is to extend the minimum post length to, say, a line, IMO.

Zeeble · 04-03-2005, 07:53 AM

I would agree with turning NP$ off, there is at least on person who just seems topost "reg fee" or low $xx on every single domain appraisal thread....

skyraider · 04-03-2005, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Zeeble

I would agree with turning NP$ off, there is at least on person who just seems topost "reg fee" or low $xx on every single domain appraisal thread....

Wouldn't the minimum one or two line minimum do the job and still reward those making good appraisals?

Cyberian · 04-03-2005, 08:14 AM

SkyRaider ~

Outstanding article. Well written and VERY topical. Thank you.
The ext. values are of course, like all appraisals, personal opinions and shouldn't be dwelled upon as much as nature of the article.

Quote:

-RJ-
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/79784-the-unofficial-np-domain-appraisal-guide.html
Is there a way to turn NP$ and revenue sharing off in just the appraisals forum? This will discourage fake appraisers and eliminate junk replies.

This is too extreme and will only cause other sections to carry the load from members who disregard the true essence of this forum and disrespect everyone else by assuming post=status.

The offending posts in all the sections can be reduced simply by member re-inforcment. Positive and negative. Like we do our children.
Good behavior = Praise.
Bad behavior = ?... that would be Admin's call.

NamePros has many of the most highly regarded and respected people in the Domain BUSINESS as members. We are privileged to be given the opportunity to listen and learn from them.

Thanks again SkyRaider, kid5150

Originally Posted by wot

I live in Thailand and we can hire hitmen very cheaply, possibly just a few NP's will do the trick

I believe you.

Zeeble · 04-03-2005, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by skyraider

Wouldn't the minimum one or two line minimum do the job and still reward those making good appraisals?

I think your right actually.....
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784
but I do think that something should be done to stop the constant "reg fee" which is still given out for a 2 letter .org, making it obvious that some one is just posting for NP$
However, making it so that you have to write 2 lines will put some people off.

www.AmCy.org · 04-03-2005, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by skyraider

About turning NP$ off in the Appraisal forum: don't you think that True_Snake is right? A better way is to extend the minimum post length to, say, a line, IMO.

Or a 100 character minimum (with spaces) for each post in the appraisal forum.

AmCy

skyraider · 04-03-2005, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by www.AmCy.org

Or a 100 minimum (with spaces) for each post in the appraisal forum.

AmCy

Yes; that would greatly help in churning out higher-quality appraisals.

By the way, I added Example #3 to the article: tips for appraising CCTLD's.

sunken · 04-03-2005, 10:47 AM

The article is very well written and informative. Kudos. Well deserved sticky.

***jaydub*** · 04-03-2005, 12:25 PM

Good article....
I didn't notice "brandability" entering into the evaluation...I believe it does & will continue to be a stronger determination of value....especially with end user sales..
That has been my experience to date anyway...

I don't even bother with submitting names for appraisals in the appraisals section anymore...I think that for most (NOT ALL) it is just a way to get NP$....
I do read them for a chuckle sometimes....(sorry but that is how I view many of them)..No offense intended to those who really take it seriously...you know who you are.
When I have taken the time to appraise a name I really try to look at all avenues if possible & give a thought out opinion (that's what it is really).
I would like to see positive changes in this area...(I might even hold my breath..)
Nice to see so many getting involved...
Just my 2 cents worth...

Jim

primacomputer · 04-03-2005, 01:21 PM

How about this one. If you post “regfee” for a name that is clearly worth substantially more you loose NP$ instead.

How you define this is clearly open to interpretation, but I have seen people shout regfee without checking a single “reseller” type stats such as OVT w/EXT, Linkpop, Alexa, whatever.

There's nothing wrong with lots of people saying regfee. If a name is really worth nothing this just reenforces it. But I think if anyone wants their NP$ 1 for repeating it they should have to do their homework.

Gosh, I hope I don't loose all my NP$ for appraising crap 3chars as regfee

cera · 04-03-2005, 04:32 PM

Something has to be done - it gets worse and worse - I see 35 appraisals within 27 minutes by one member today. I see 20 appraisals of a single domain none of which none say anything more than "Low $xx" or "mid$xx" or "reg fee" with no reasoning.

I think "no NP$ for appraisals" is required at this point.

cera

WebbyMedia · 04-04-2005, 12:49 AM

Great article. Gives a bit more insight to the appraisals thrown around.

redhippo · 04-04-2005, 12:55 AM

a good read sky...! but names apart from .com are subjective and relative to the buyers "feelings"

a seller or appraiser might think its worth lots....but buyer think otherwise or vice versa

majinbuu1023 · 04-04-2005, 01:07 AM

Thanks for the guide

IAmAllanShore · 04-04-2005, 07:21 AM

Well written indeed.
Rep point delivered, and good choice for a sticky sir armstrong.
-Allan

skyraider · 04-05-2005, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by IAmAllanShore

Well written indeed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784
Rep point delivered, and good choice for a sticky sir armstrong.
-Allan

Thanks, Allan.

If/when I think of more examples to add, I'll post those as well. -RJ-, what do you think about the suggestions concerning NP$/minimum post length in the Apprasials forum?

Badger · 04-05-2005, 03:08 PM

Nice post Sky....

I too thought of regged beaches.sc but i went for an acronym of same theme....

www.ibm.sc ..... incredible beach moments

Shan · 04-05-2005, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Midano

-RJ-
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784
Is there a way to turn NP$ and revenue sharing off in just the appraisals forum? This will discourage fake appraisers and eliminate junk replies.

Alot of times it seems like certain people just post anything in the appraisals section just for the heck of it.

skyraider · 04-06-2005, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by HellFear

Alot of times it seems like certain people just post anything in the appraisals section just for the heck of it.

It also seems like "mid $xx more if developed" is copied and pasted into virtually every appraisal. Come on, we know it's worth more if developed. We would like reasons for valuations please

gpmgroup · 04-08-2005, 04:47 AM

Very helpful article

I think the ordering by value may be not quite right and will certainly change over time.

1) .info's almost always make higher prices than .biz is very niche so the end user market much smaller.

2) .us as a ccTLD of the worlds largest economy will become like .co.uk and .de . ccTLDs in major economies routinely sell for more than .net and .org

3) Corporates often do not like .orgs and corporates are the end users willing to spend the most.

Generalized ranking is difficult but I would rank
.com .us .net .info .org .biz (We're in England so don't own any .us's so no bias!)

skyraider · 04-13-2005, 01:32 PM

Ahh! So many people continue to post "Low $xx" or "great name high $xxx" with no stated reason whatsoever for their valuation.

I think some people may actually copy and paste "mid to lox $xx" and go around and post in the Appraisal forum. People like that might appraise sports.com as "mid $xx" and might be copying "high $xxx" around when interwebnetissocoolanditrocksbecauaseithinkitdoes8 343.bz is posted for appraisal.

Please take the tips in my article into considering when making a valuation for a domain owner

Badger · 04-13-2005, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by skyraider

Ahh! So many people continue to post "Low $xx" or "great name high $xxx" with no stated reason whatsoever for their valuation.

I think some people may actually copy and paste "mid to lox $xx" and go around and post in the Appraisal forum. People like that might appraise sports.com as "mid $xx" and might be copying "high $xxx" around when interwebnetissocoolanditrocksbecauaseithinkitdoes8 343.bz is posted for appraisal.

Please take the tips in my article into considering when making a valuation for a domain owner

I think you may be p*ssing in the wind my friend. Utopia will never be achieved here all the time there is a tangible gain to be had in through appraising domains...

I personally thing the domain appraisal forum gets lower and lower in relevance as the days go by and am deeply surprised Ron and the boys appear somewhat 'laissez faire' when it comes round to addressing the issue/problem....

domain.addict · 04-13-2005, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Badger

I personally thing the domain appraisal forum gets lower and lower in relevance as the days go by and am deeply surprised Ron and the boys appear somewhat 'laissez faire' when it comes round to addressing the issue/problem....

But what would you suggest the mods do? Remove your thread if it only says Mid $XX? Remove it if you have less than ___ posts? I'm really not sure that the mods can do anything about it without causing some major problems.

Badger · 04-13-2005, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by domain.addict

But what would you suggest the mods do? Remove your thread if it only says Mid $XX? Remove it if you have less than ___ posts? I'm really not sure that the mods can do anything about it without causing some major problems.

Errrrr, did anyone mention removing NP$ for posting...????

There are at least 10 members I could name (but wont) who post 10/20 appraisals within 5 minutes. Now thats research for ya....

Now, you might say they are just trying to learn and they have as valid opinion as anyone else... And I say b****** to that.... The only reason the serial (waste of time) appraisers even bother to turn up is to work their way to 700 np$ (or whatever it is) to earn themselves their (in most cases) 1st domain...

And what this does is turn the appraisal forum into a mockery...

You have the time, i'll show you at least a dozen appraisals given in the last few weeks where utter rubbish is being posted. And posted by people without a shred of knowledge or interest for that matter of what they are talking about... I may bleat on like an old woman about it whilst my fellow domainers sit back and keep quiet with the view that "why do i bother myself trying to change things, you know what your domains are worth"... And I say, I learnt a lot here and have made a lot of money doing so.. And thus i want to give back something and not let scammers (for thats all they are) ruin it for the next bunch of NP members
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=79784

The end....

Midano · 04-13-2005, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Badger

Errrrr, did anyone mention removing NP$ for posting...????

Yes, many times. Both NP$ and revenue sharing.

04-03-2005, 07:53 AM	#27 (permalink)
Zeeble New.Net Destroyer.... Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,947	I would agree with turning NP$ off, there is at least on person who just seems topost "reg fee" or low $xx on every single domain appraisal thread.... __________________ â€œIt is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest.â€ - Adam Smith

04-03-2005, 10:47 AM	#33 (permalink)
sunken Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,279	The article is very well written and informative. Kudos. Well deserved sticky. __________________ juegos juegos \| Your Hotel in Austria psicologo valencia

04-03-2005, 12:25 PM	#34 (permalink)
*jaydub* 'Da Chef Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: You know, that really really hot place at the core of the planet Posts: 5,114	Good article.... I didn't notice "brandability" entering into the evaluation...I believe it does & will continue to be a stronger determination of value....especially with end user sales.. That has been my experience to date anyway... I don't even bother with submitting names for appraisals in the appraisals section anymore...I think that for most (NOT ALL) it is just a way to get NP$.... I do read them for a chuckle sometimes....(sorry but that is how I view many of them)..No offense intended to those who really take it seriously...you know who you are. When I have taken the time to appraise a name I really try to look at all avenues if possible & give a thought out opinion (that's what it is really). I would like to see positive changes in this area...(I might even hold my breath..) Nice to see so many getting involved... Just my 2 cents worth... Jim __________________ >>The key to immortality is living a life worth remembering >>Real Character is doing the right thing even when nobody is watching. >>Sometimes you feel like you are in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents. >>Please be sure brain is engaged before putting keyboard in gear.

04-04-2005, 12:55 AM	#38 (permalink)
redhippo NamePros Expert Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ANForum Posts: 5,218	a good read sky...! but names apart from .com are subjective and relative to the buyers "feelings" a seller or appraiser might think its worth lots....but buyer think otherwise or vice versa __________________ \|www.vb-skins.com\|- Quality Premade Vbulletin skins for Your VB forum makeover \|www.Banjir.com\|-Free image hosting?[B]For Sale!\|AlphaScripts\|Money Generating Scripts FREE VB Skins

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04-03-2005, 01:21 PM	#35 (permalink)
primacomputer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,402	How about this one. If you post “regfee” for a name that is clearly worth substantially more you loose NP$ instead. How you define this is clearly open to interpretation, but I have seen people shout regfee without checking a single “reseller” type stats such as OVT w/EXT, Linkpop, Alexa, whatever. There's nothing wrong with lots of people saying regfee. If a name is really worth nothing this just reenforces it. But I think if anyone wants their NP$ 1 for repeating it they should have to do their homework. Gosh, I hope I don't loose all my NP$ for appraising crap 3chars as regfee

04-03-2005, 04:32 PM	#36 (permalink)
cera NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 785	Something has to be done - it gets worse and worse - I see 35 appraisals within 27 minutes by one member today. I see 20 appraisals of a single domain none of which none say anything more than "Low $xx" or "mid$xx" or "reg fee" with no reasoning. I think "no NP$ for appraisals" is required at this point. cera

04-04-2005, 12:49 AM	#37 (permalink)
WebbyMedia NamePros Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 115	Great article. Gives a bit more insight to the appraisals thrown around.

04-04-2005, 07:21 AM	#40 (permalink)
IAmAllanShore NamePros Expert Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Esse quam videri Posts: 8,332	Well written indeed. Rep point delivered, and good choice for a sticky sir armstrong. -Allan __________________ Something Witty This Way Comes...

04-05-2005, 03:08 PM	#42 (permalink)
Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	Nice post Sky.... I too thought of regged beaches.sc but i went for an acronym of same theme.... www.ibm.sc ..... incredible beach moments __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

04-08-2005, 04:47 AM	#45 (permalink)
gpmgroup NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 425 Follow @gpmgroup	Very helpful article I think the ordering by value may be not quite right and will certainly change over time. 1) .info's almost always make higher prices than .biz is very niche so the end user market much smaller. 2) .us as a ccTLD of the worlds largest economy will become like .co.uk and .de . ccTLDs in major economies routinely sell for more than .net and .org 3) Corporates often do not like .orgs and corporates are the end users willing to spend the most. Generalized ranking is difficult but I would rank .com .us .net .info .org .biz (We're in England so don't own any .us's so no bias!) __________________ www.gpmgroup.com - blog gpmgroup.info Last edited by gpmgroup; 04-08-2005 at 04:51 AM.

04-13-2005, 01:32 PM	THREAD STARTER #46 (permalink)
skyraider Browsing the Interwebnet Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 945 Follow @IceCharge	Ahh! So many people continue to post "Low $xx" or "great name high $xxx" with no stated reason whatsoever for their valuation. I think some people may actually copy and paste "mid to lox $xx" and go around and post in the Appraisal forum. People like that might appraise sports.com as "mid $xx" and might be copying "high $xxx" around when interwebnetissocoolanditrocksbecauaseithinkitdoes8 343.bz is posted for appraisal. Please take the tips in my article into considering when making a valuation for a domain owner __________________ Merchants, reduce your chargeback costs. IceCharge's tainted-device recognition and visual fraud analysis blocks fraudulent transactions. Follow us on Twitter at @IceCharge

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