.in / .co.in - not everyones happy - Page 2

redhippo · 03-23-2005, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by armstrong

The opening up of the Indian namespace to foreigners was a gov't-approved registry policy. If they want their precious names back, all they have to do is jack up the renewal fee to, oh, $1,000 a year. That's sure to force speculators to drop them like its hot!

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thats a good idea for the govt

trishan · 03-23-2005, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by primacomputer

Did anyone...
“Note the high concentration” of cyber-ignorants from the Indian press who have been whining about the perfectly legitimate purchase of .in names by people who happen to use foreign address. I mean WTF. Some of the names of the so-called cybersquatters listed there are Indian!

Good point there

Fundraiser · 03-23-2005, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Grrilla

I don't define or use the word "ironic" or "irony" in the way you are using it here- Different? Yes. Ironic?... http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony
-but I understand what you are getting at.

With the writing quality of most posts to a forum, I am surprised to see a challenge to the use of a single word in my post particularly when I was trying to be decent. If you understood my post, why bother with an attempt to correct my writing by linking to a definition for "irony"? If you were able to show my usage was wrong, it would have only served to embarrass me which is something I would not expect from Namepros Staff.

You need to take the definition of "irony" you reference a step further and review the word "ironic" instead. For example,

Usage Note: The words ironic, irony, and ironically are sometimes used of events and circumstances that might better be described as simply “coincidental” or “improbable,” in that they suggest no particular lessons about human vanity or folly.

That permits a wide-range of use particularly with the informal style of a forum.

However, I was leaning toward the definition of ironic as
"characterized by often poignant difference or incongruity between what is expected and what actually is;" In your correction of my usage you actually use the term "different" which, as you can see, is specifically referenced in the definition of ironic. Talk about irony.
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With the premise of the thread being the article about foreign cybersquatters sitting on domains of apparent value to the people of India, you post "That is why I must confess to a bit of jealousy, and, despite my best efforts, I do find myself asking, "Why didn't I do that ?" and follow that up with "I mean, a very real part of me is kicking myself in the ass, telling me that I should have gotten down, done my homework, gotten into the race, and reaped the rewards" and "I still have some of Reggie the Regger inside of me, tugging at me, whispering, "Hurry up or you'll miss out!"

So, in those statements you express a sense of regret that you may have missed out on something of value by not working hard or getting involved early and that you still have a voice whispering to you to hurry up or you will continue to miss out. Contrary to your expectation or understanding of what it took to register domains of value in the registry of India, my experience of registering names was done on a whim, without hurry and after thousands where grabbed by preregistration which is poignantly different from your expressed belief of what it took. I do realize that you have also posted many other reasons for not jumping in.

I should have just said " stop kicking yourself because sometimes dumb luck prevails over skill, knowledge and hard work in the domain industry" but I apologize and will take more care to express myself through words that are less prone to misunderstanding.

03-23-2005, 10:59 AM

You're correct Fundraiser and I admit to being snippy, a tad argumentative, and overly pedantic, by picking on your word usage and turning focus away from the point you were making. Reading your post, I somehow got the sense that you were being trite, dismissive, and taking advantage of my openness to cast yourself above it all, as in, "Isn't it *ironic* that some find this to be so difficult, when it is so simple for me?"

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What's ironic is that I did no homework, preregistered nothing and simply registered five domains that made sense to me the day the registry opened for business.

If I was reading this incorrectly and seeing a subtext within your message, that wasn't there, my mistake. You stated in your follow up that you were being "decent", so I will take you at face value and offer my apologies for misreading your message. Furthermore, I admit to the bad form on my part of letting emotions enter into my response to your perceived put down.

Addressing a couple of points in your follow up post:

Quote:

You need to take the definition of "irony" you reference a step further and review the word "ironic" instead. ...If you were able to show my usage was wrong...

Touche. My academic training/background has forced me to put narrow limits on several words that are often used indiscriminantly, which has, in effect, generalized their meaning. If you would like to carry on this discussion, I am willing, but would prefer to do so via PM, so as not to expose the forum to an academic p~ssing match. I have already conceded that I wrongfully drew attention to your usage of the word and was being overly pedantic.
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something I would not expect from Namepros Staff.

I am a new member of the NP Staff, and am still learning to walk the line between expressing views that are particular to me, and wearing the Staff persona. Hopefully, with time, I will do a better job of this and members will be able to to differentiate between opinions that are my own and those that are a result of my Staff position. They are not one and the same. Your point is well taken and has been noted.

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So, in those statements you express a sense of regret that you may have missed out on something of value by not working hard or getting involved early and that you still have a voice whispering to you to hurry up or you will continue to miss out. Contrary to your expectation or understanding of what it took to register domains of value in the registry of India...

I have no regrets that are specific to the co.in .cctld., or my lack of involvement in the current registration frenzy. The aim of my post, was to explore the dichotomy between values and instinct, and the conflict that sometimes arrises within myself, (and, perhaps within others), as a result of these, seemingly, opposing forces, at work. co.in happenned to be my platform because, IMO, the context of the OP, made it appropriate to share my concepts here.
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Frankly, my personal position, (and not necessarily that of the Staff), is that, once the initial hubbub dies down, the co.in .cctld will go the way of comparable .cctld's- those who did their homework, who got there first and nailed down the prime names, (see list in in OP, for examples), will make a few big, flashy sales, while the lionshare of speculators will be left holding their names w/o sales, and facing renewals a year from now. I consciously made the decision to stay out of the fray, knew what to expect had I become involved, and have no regrets, whatsoever.

To reiterate, lest I be misunderstood, my comments regarding the "whispering voice", were intended to address a general, psychological issue and were not specific to the registration of co.in., and my involvement, therin. Sorry that this came across as a regret. I can see where my self-deprecating comment could be read that way.

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my experience of registering names was done on a whim, without hurry and after thousands where grabbed by preregistration which is poignantly different from your expressed belief of what it took

Each to his own methodology. If you have the unusual ability of relying on intuition, or possess a certain prescience and understanding of the domain name market place that is beyond what many of the rest of us may have, and you are acheiving success using a whimsical, relaxed approach, than more power to you.

From this end, there are no hard feelings emanating from our exchange of differing ideas, opinions and approaches to registering domain names or from the clarifications that we have made here.

Fundraiser · 03-23-2005, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Grrilla

You're correct Fundraiser and I admit to being snippy, a tad argumentative, and overly pedantic, by picking on your word usage and turning focus away from the point you were making. Reading your post, I somehow got the sense that you were being trite, dismissive, and taking advantage of my openness to cast yourself above it all, as in, "Isn't it *ironic* that some find this to be so difficult, when it is so simple for me?"

I believe I woke up a bit cranky this morning, Grrilla, and apologize for the swordplay in my response. I appreciate your thoughtful and thorough communication. If you review any of my previous posts at Namepros you will see that I do not post often but when I do, I try to be helpful or add to the exchange. Online I tend to save any venom for when I feel wronged or believe that someone else is being mistreated. In those circumstances, I'm about as subtle as a well-thrown brick.

Originally Posted by Grrilla

From this end, there are no hard feelings emanating from our exchange of differing ideas, opinions and approaches to registering domain names or from the clarifications that we have made here.

From this end... what you said. I have nothing to top it.

03-23-2005, 01:25 PM

I appreciate your post.
I drift into the philosophical realm from, time to time, and have been in a deep, brooding place, of late. I wasn't in a very good frame of mind when I responded to your OP. I know that when in doubt or when I'm having a bad hair day that it's better to say nothing, but, alas, I do screw up, occasionally. ("occasionally", is being kind to myself.) I can tell that you are a thoughtful, intelligent person who has a good deal to offer and I look forward to talking w/ you in the future.

Badger · 03-23-2005, 03:25 PM

NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 16: The dot-in (.IN) domain name, liberalised on Monday for the public, was picked up by some 24,000 applicants within an hour of opening, fuelling apprehensions of a new round of cyber-squatting. The registry, which got only 4,000 applications from registered trademark holders during the ‘sunrise period’ that lasted till Jan. 21, has received greater-than-expected response from Internet apparently non-commercial internet space buyers.

Analysts said the day’s registrations may consist largely of cyber-squatters who hoped for a killing in handing over company names registered under the dot-in scheme to firms that claim them later. They said many others who enrolled today would be late comers and faddists sold on the idea of a pan-Indian domain name.

‘‘It could be harmful for businesses to have someone else hold your firm’s name in the dot-in space. They could sell pirated goods or malign a company’s name,’’ said Venkatesh Prasad, senior associate, J Sagar and Associates.

The dot-in domain name was launched for the general public by the National Internet Exchange (NIXI) to ensure that Indian internet space holders can host their websites in India itself. Till January 1 this year, the domain name was available only to government and was liberalised by the communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran on Wednesday to symbolise the ‘‘Indian identity online.’’
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‘‘Extension of the .in domain name registry symbolises the Indian identity on the internet,’’ Maran said.

But lawyers advise caution. ‘‘There is nothing in the IT Act that prevents cyber-squatting, so firms with complaints have approached courts using company law provisions or the trademark law. Liberalising dot-in brings India a step forward, but there is a lot of legal ground still to be covered to protect users,’’ said Venkatesh. India lags behind the rest in registering country name specific domain names. As part of the process of liberalising the domain, the IT ministry hopes that more content for Indian websites will be hosted from India itself and an international brand identity for Indian firms will be built up

acronym007 · 04-02-2005, 05:04 PM

Well, India has been stealing all of America's call center work. This is payback. Hehe. Now, we have to figure out a way to screw China.LOL. Seriously, cybersquatting is an overabused word created by ignorant media and legal institutes that disregard free trade. What are we stealing, a name that is legally available. It's a shame that these corporations are too lazy to take a name from someone until it's too late but they have no problem wasting 1,000's of dollars to sue people for "stealing" a domain name. The funny part is, these people could take it also, yet they choose not too. Why? It's easier in an old system to use the legal channels to obtain what they need vesus hiring a group of IT professionals, like us here, to obtain the names for them. Why not hire a group or IT professionals to get the names you want? Please tell me how it's cheaper to hire $100 attornies. One day these wizards will wake up and realize progress will move forward with or without them. Cheers

wot · 04-02-2005, 05:15 PM

Scandalous!

See some more .in names here

www.TajMahal.co.in

acronym007 · 04-02-2005, 05:25 PM

Wot, you superduper cybersquatter, you. LOL.

wot · 04-02-2005, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by acronym007

Wot, you superduper cybersquatter, you. LOL.

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Most of my squatting is related to IBS

Have you got yours? http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/79537-co-in-you-choose-huge-list.html

-db- · 04-02-2005, 06:42 PM

Actually, I think wot made a mistake, and intended to post this link instead.

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/79724-co-numbers-200-300-400-500-a.html

Glad to help.

wot · 04-02-2005, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by -db-

Actually, I think wot made a mistake, and intended to post this link instead.

http://www.namepros.com/domains-for-sale-make-offer/79724-co-numbers-200-300-400-500-a.html

Glad to help.

Totally unethical, a complete scandal, should not be allowed, mods,mods - it's something only I would do

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www.Tajmahal.co.in

-db- · 04-02-2005, 07:34 PM

Veolus · 04-02-2005, 07:36 PM

Personally i have no interest in .in or .co.in domains

CrazyTech · 04-02-2005, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Well, India has been stealing all of America's call center work. This is payback. Hehe.

Indeed. This is for all the American workers laid off of work because of outsourcing to India.

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Seriously though, I'm sure there are real squatters out there, but to get mad because Americans (and other nationalities) are making investments in domains is nothing but silly. Welcome to the business world. I wish they'd at least get the facts straight.

majinbuu1023 · 04-02-2005, 08:29 PM

The stupid newspaper... they wrote that just to get money eh...
80% of india probably doesn't even know what a domain name is(80% of the world probably doesn't either)

03-23-2005, 01:25 PM	#31 (permalink)
Grrilla Guest Posts: n/a	I appreciate your post. I drift into the philosophical realm from, time to time, and have been in a deep, brooding place, of late. I wasn't in a very good frame of mind when I responded to your OP. I know that when in doubt or when I'm having a bad hair day that it's better to say nothing, but, alas, I do screw up, occasionally. ("occasionally", is being kind to myself.) I can tell that you are a thoughtful, intelligent person who has a good deal to offer and I look forward to talking w/ you in the future. Last edited by Grrilla; 03-23-2005 at 01:29 PM.

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Badger Ravaged By Age Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PST + 8 Posts: 3,502	NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 16: The dot-in (.IN) domain name, liberalised on Monday for the public, was picked up by some 24,000 applicants within an hour of opening, fuelling apprehensions of a new round of cyber-squatting. The registry, which got only 4,000 applications from registered trademark holders during the ‘sunrise period’ that lasted till Jan. 21, has received greater-than-expected response from Internet apparently non-commercial internet space buyers. Analysts said the day’s registrations may consist largely of cyber-squatters who hoped for a killing in handing over company names registered under the dot-in scheme to firms that claim them later. They said many others who enrolled today would be late comers and faddists sold on the idea of a pan-Indian domain name. ‘‘It could be harmful for businesses to have someone else hold your firm’s name in the dot-in space. They could sell pirated goods or malign a company’s name,’’ said Venkatesh Prasad, senior associate, J Sagar and Associates. The dot-in domain name was launched for the general public by the National Internet Exchange (NIXI) to ensure that Indian internet space holders can host their websites in India itself. Till January 1 this year, the domain name was available only to government and was liberalised by the communications and IT minister Dayanidhi Maran on Wednesday to symbolise the ‘‘Indian identity online.’’ ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=76744 ‘‘Extension of the .in domain name registry symbolises the Indian identity on the internet,’’ Maran said. But lawyers advise caution. ‘‘There is nothing in the IT Act that prevents cyber-squatting, so firms with complaints have approached courts using company law provisions or the trademark law. Liberalising dot-in brings India a step forward, but there is a lot of legal ground still to be covered to protect users,’’ said Venkatesh. India lags behind the rest in registering country name specific domain names. As part of the process of liberalising the domain, the IT ministry hopes that more content for Indian websites will be hosted from India itself and an international brand identity for Indian firms will be built up __________________ iMODO :: ErrorMatic :: AdShack :: NameMart :: DomainPress :: XYZ digital media solutions

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04-02-2005, 05:04 PM	#33 (permalink)
acronym007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,253	Well, India has been stealing all of America's call center work. This is payback. Hehe. Now, we have to figure out a way to screw China.LOL. Seriously, cybersquatting is an overabused word created by ignorant media and legal institutes that disregard free trade. What are we stealing, a name that is legally available. It's a shame that these corporations are too lazy to take a name from someone until it's too late but they have no problem wasting 1,000's of dollars to sue people for "stealing" a domain name. The funny part is, these people could take it also, yet they choose not too. Why? It's easier in an old system to use the legal channels to obtain what they need vesus hiring a group of IT professionals, like us here, to obtain the names for them. Why not hire a group or IT professionals to get the names you want? Please tell me how it's cheaper to hire $100 attornies. One day these wizards will wake up and realize progress will move forward with or without them. Cheers

04-02-2005, 05:25 PM	#35 (permalink)
acronym007 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,253	Wot, you superduper cybersquatter, you. LOL.

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Veolus Account Closed Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 4,308	Personally i have no interest in .in or .co.in domains

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majinbuu1023 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 3,746	The stupid newspaper... they wrote that just to get money eh... 80% of india probably doesn't even know what a domain name is(80% of the world probably doesn't either) __________________ WowHumor.net - Funny World of Warcraft Pictures

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