New Top Level Domains! - Page 6

*Archangel* · 06-26-2011, 03:21 PM

If I knew ppl were gonna make a big deal outta it, I would have given a higher number. lol

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/717070-new-top-level-domains.html
With reps: Outta well over 150,000 users, only 31 or so have 5,000 points or more. They're a pretty big thing, even if they really aren't.

Originally Posted by alien51

Sorry for the exaggeration. You have to blame Archangel for this. He's the one who started this exaggerated stats. I was just making a point myself. lol

jmcc · 06-26-2011, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by bmugford

Yeah, the program was not created because of popular demand. It was created because ICANN has a clear self financial interest.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

All it will do is strengthen the established extensions.

It will create too many similar domains. None will have traffic, so you are buying a brand.

What is better?

Hotels.NYC
NewYork.Hotels
NYC.Hotels
NY.Hotels

There are too many confusing options. People will stick to what they know and is credible.

Yep. And here's the real unknown for the US cityname TLDs:

newyork.us
chicago.us
etc

The .us could be the accidental beneficiary of the confusion that some of these new cityname TLDs will cause.

Regards...jmcc

sdsinc · 06-26-2011, 04:21 PM

From now on I am claiming exclusive rights to icann.sucks.

bmugford · 06-26-2011, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

From now on I am claiming exclusive rights to icann.sucks.

.sucks would be one of the most in demand extensions.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

Just think how many people & companies you could legally extort defensive registrations out of, like .XXX is doing.

Brad

firefly · 06-26-2011, 07:51 PM

Have to agree with .sucks, closely followed by .review/s

IM folks will jump all over some of these.

NLP · 06-26-2011, 08:42 PM

When the news broke, I had several non-domainer friends (even my own MOTHER!) call me. They were all curious to see how the news was going over in the domain community, but overall, everyone I spoke to thought that more extensions = more confusion.

We couldn't come up with any terms that would make sense with company names as the gTLD. Shop.nike...okay, but there's no way it's going to replace the .com.

Overall, people have short attention spans and can't remember too much information. There are 22 TLDs but the public usually only has to deal with 5-6 of them at any given time (people in the US hardly ever have to visit a .DE, for example). I think this change might make people's brains explode. But overall, it'll be a waste of $$ for the companies who bother to apply for this.

gpmgroup · 06-27-2011, 01:46 AM

company.sucks domains would be a lot easier a company to take back than companysucks.com or companysucks.info etc. because the TLD can be disregarded in TM disputes and company.sucks without a TLD makes an exact match and that would be much easier to class as confusion.

.reviews would be even easier.

gazzip · 06-27-2011, 06:20 AM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

From now on I am claiming exclusive rights to icann.sucks.

We have already placed our application for .SUCKS, and are in the process of trade marking our new company slogan.

.SUCKS, "If you don't, someone else will !"

WECANN offer you a NP discount for icann.sucks, how does 50% off the yearly registration fee of $300 sound?
(min of 2 year reg)

However, If there is additional interest in icann.sucks it will have to be auctioned off as per the normal procedure (its only fair).

We have had alot of interest in some of our new .sucks domains, ie: London.sucks, NYC.sucks, Wallstreet.sucks, Banking.sucks etc so please be sure to place your pre-registrations in early so we can cherry pick the list, we expect the competition will be fierce and we have a number of auction platforms in place.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

We feel that .SUCKS truly has a global appeal to individuals, small businesses and corporations alike and will enhance the internet community going forward.

.SUCKS "If you don't, someone else will !"

...joking
.

gpmgroup · 06-27-2011, 12:16 PM

@ gazzip

I think it’s great you’ve decided to promote your new .sucks this early in the game. ICANN’s cleverly designed processes will ensure the harder you work at promoting and demonstrating the benefits of .sucks the more chance there will be of finding competitors applying to run .sucks

As you will of course recognise ICANN is not capable of deciding who should run .sucks so the normal procedure (the only fair way) to settle it will be an auction with applicants using their application as a reserve of $185,000.

But it gets better: ICANN has a mandate to introduce not only competition but also innovation. Your new found competitors will not only be able to help you find the true market value of .sucks at auction but because you are all known to each other, bidders will be actively encourages to do deals.

To help facilitate this process ICANN has kindly agreed to allow refunds of up to $130,000 to any applicant that secures a deal with another applicant to agree to withdraw. This means if you agree to pay another applicant more than $55,000 not only will you have one less bidder to bid against in the auction, but he can withdraw with no loss of face and hopefully a nice profit in return for agreeing not to bid.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

Clearly none of this competition and innovation would be possible without new gTLDs.

*Archangel* · 06-27-2011, 01:40 PM

ICANT is gonna release a billion more, don't worry. I think of it like this: In a full month (and I use the net hours daily), I visit mostly .com site and a few.net. A .org pops up and I might see a .us every now and then. I only see one .biz every 3-6 months & never saw a developed .name site. All other extensions don't exist to me (in the non-domainr sense). I doubt heavily that I'll ever see a developed .hotels in my life (I'm not saying one will never be developed, just that I'll never see it). That goes for all the other obscure extensions. There is no point in the existing, to the common browser. That is unless Google steps in.

***mwzd*** · 06-28-2011, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by sdsinc

From now on I am claiming exclusive rights to icann.sucks.

Perfect!

Originally Posted by bmugford

Just think how many people & companies you could legally extort defensive registrations out of, like .XXX is doing.

Totally right, never thought of adding that into the revenue plan, let me do it right now...

Revenue Point #1: Extortion

Originally Posted by NLP

Shop.nike...okay, but there's no way it's going to replace the .com

Right, but .shop might replace all keywordshop.com domains, that's the worry the .com evangelists have.

Originally Posted by gazzip

.SUCKS, "If you don't, someone else will !"

I like it, as slogans go this one works on many levels

And yeah, we're going to the see the whole tld pumping scenario that happened with the launch of each new TLD / refashioned ccTLD repeated 1000 times.

The only worry is, where will the find the .suckers?

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

I see ICANN walking away from this with $100mm at the very least... but it's not about the money if you believe what they say, it's just about cost recovery, I wonder whether they pay their staff in gold bullion?!!!
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

If it's not about the money the application fee of those who lose out should be refunded, I'm sure it doesn't take $185k for ICANN to confirm you lost the auction.

alien51 · 06-28-2011, 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by mwzd

The only worry is, where will the find the .suckers?

You won't find any .SUCKERS domain. Because people who qualify for that domain won't even have anymore money to pay for the registration fee, after getting suckered into regging the new TLDs then going broke thereafter.

abdussamad · 06-28-2011, 07:47 AM

I don't understand why any corporation would choose to apply for a new tld. I mean the way I understand it:

- It cost a lot of money. Half a million was cited above.

- There is a thorough review process to ensure trademarks are not infringed. In fact only trademark holders can buy their own .brand tld.

So basically no one can jump in and register your trademark even if they wanted to. So there is no argument for a defensive registration and there is no reason to register it otherwise either because of the expense and the total uselessness of it. Why would any corporation register their own tld now?

gpmgroup · 06-28-2011, 08:28 AM

Sometimes trademarks collide between different jurisdictions but more often the same string (name) can be trademarked for different classes of uses.

Both of these issues are reasons why the thinking behind ICANN's new gTLD for .brands is fundamentally flawed.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070

.apple is a good example - Apple Computers Inc. have a mark for use with computers. Apple Music have a mark for use with music. Any number of fruit growers and suppliers could also lay claim to a right to use .apple to further their industry.

An industry player using a top level domain for its generic use is even more problematic. For example .hotel is a nightmare because any large chain of hotels could use it to dominate their industry. However ICANN's economists don't think this matters.

An example of the same name with the same use in different jurisdictions - .merck - there is a U.S. drug company and a German drug company with the same name.

All of these issues are much easier to solve in the current multi level system than the flat top level system ICANN is planning.

owntype · 06-29-2011, 08:13 AM

I sold Sucks.mobi to Dan Parisi who owns Sucks.com and lots of CompanySucks.com domain name. Just found he also owns ICANNSUCKS.COM, lol

ViralFuture · 06-30-2011, 09:16 AM

ICANN is juts trying to make more money, it's ridiculous how many TLD's are being created now

06-26-2011, 04:21 PM	#128 (permalink)
sdsinc Domains my Dominion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Web 1.0 Posts: 9,947	From now on I am claiming exclusive rights to icann.sucks. __________________ NameNewsletter.com - free lists of available domain names ZoneFiles.net (beta) - ccTLD and gTLD droplists

06-27-2011, 01:46 AM	#132 (permalink)
gpmgroup NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 450 Follow @gpmgroup	company.sucks domains would be a lot easier a company to take back than companysucks.com or companysucks.info etc. because the TLD can be disregarded in TM disputes and company.sucks without a TLD makes an exact match and that would be much easier to class as confusion. .reviews would be even easier. __________________ www.gpmgroup.com - blog gpmgroup.info Last edited by gpmgroup; 06-27-2011 at 01:54 AM.

06-27-2011, 12:16 PM	#134 (permalink)
gpmgroup NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 450 Follow @gpmgroup	@ gazzip I think it’s great you’ve decided to promote your new .sucks this early in the game. ICANN’s cleverly designed processes will ensure the harder you work at promoting and demonstrating the benefits of .sucks the more chance there will be of finding competitors applying to run .sucks As you will of course recognise ICANN is not capable of deciding who should run .sucks so the normal procedure (the only fair way) to settle it will be an auction with applicants using their application as a reserve of $185,000. But it gets better: ICANN has a mandate to introduce not only competition but also innovation. Your new found competitors will not only be able to help you find the true market value of .sucks at auction but because you are all known to each other, bidders will be actively encourages to do deals. To help facilitate this process ICANN has kindly agreed to allow refunds of up to $130,000 to any applicant that secures a deal with another applicant to agree to withdraw. This means if you agree to pay another applicant more than $55,000 not only will you have one less bidder to bid against in the auction, but he can withdraw with no loss of face and hopefully a nice profit in return for agreeing not to bid. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070 Clearly none of this competition and innovation would be possible without new gTLDs. __________________ www.gpmgroup.com - blog gpmgroup.info Last edited by gpmgroup; 06-27-2011 at 01:17 PM. Reason: Spelling

06-28-2011, 07:47 AM	#138 (permalink)
abdussamad NamePros Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Karachi Posts: 794	I don't understand why any corporation would choose to apply for a new tld. I mean the way I understand it: - It cost a lot of money. Half a million was cited above. - There is a thorough review process to ensure trademarks are not infringed. In fact only trademark holders can buy their own .brand tld. So basically no one can jump in and register your trademark even if they wanted to. So there is no argument for a defensive registration and there is no reason to register it otherwise either because of the expense and the total uselessness of it. Why would any corporation register their own tld now? __________________ WordPress domain name lookup - Computer Hardware

06-28-2011, 08:28 AM	#139 (permalink)
gpmgroup NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lincolnshire, UK Posts: 450 Follow @gpmgroup	Sometimes trademarks collide between different jurisdictions but more often the same string (name) can be trademarked for different classes of uses. Both of these issues are reasons why the thinking behind ICANN's new gTLD for .brands is fundamentally flawed. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=717070 .apple is a good example - Apple Computers Inc. have a mark for use with computers. Apple Music have a mark for use with music. Any number of fruit growers and suppliers could also lay claim to a right to use .apple to further their industry. An industry player using a top level domain for its generic use is even more problematic. For example .hotel is a nightmare because any large chain of hotels could use it to dominate their industry. However ICANN's economists don't think this matters. An example of the same name with the same use in different jurisdictions - .merck - there is a U.S. drug company and a German drug company with the same name. All of these issues are much easier to solve in the current multi level system than the flat top level system ICANN is planning. __________________ www.gpmgroup.com - blog gpmgroup.info

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06-26-2011, 07:51 PM	#130 (permalink)
firefly Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Watching the hypocrisy float by Posts: 2,728 Follow @xxfireflyxx	Have to agree with .sucks, closely followed by .review/s IM folks will jump all over some of these.

06-26-2011, 08:42 PM	#131 (permalink)
NLP NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 567 Follow @DomainSushi	When the news broke, I had several non-domainer friends (even my own MOTHER!) call me. They were all curious to see how the news was going over in the domain community, but overall, everyone I spoke to thought that more extensions = more confusion. We couldn't come up with any terms that would make sense with company names as the gTLD. Shop.nike...okay, but there's no way it's going to replace the .com. Overall, people have short attention spans and can't remember too much information. There are 22 TLDs but the public usually only has to deal with 5-6 of them at any given time (people in the US hardly ever have to visit a .DE, for example). I think this change might make people's brains explode. But overall, it'll be a waste of $$ for the companies who bother to apply for this.

06-27-2011, 01:40 PM	#135 (permalink)
Archangel www.randypendleton.com Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southern Ohio, USA Posts: 7,299	ICANT is gonna release a billion more, don't worry. I think of it like this: In a full month (and I use the net hours daily), I visit mostly .com site and a few.net. A .org pops up and I might see a .us every now and then. I only see one .biz every 3-6 months & never saw a developed .name site. All other extensions don't exist to me (in the non-domainr sense). I doubt heavily that I'll ever see a developed .hotels in my life (I'm not saying one will never be developed, just that I'll never see it). That goes for all the other obscure extensions. There is no point in the existing, to the common browser. That is unless Google steps in.

06-29-2011, 08:13 AM	#140 (permalink)
owntype Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,127	I sold Sucks.mobi to Dan Parisi who owns Sucks.com and lots of CompanySucks.com domain name. Just found he also owns ICANNSUCKS.COM, lol __________________ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z . C O M

06-30-2011, 09:16 AM	#141 (permalink)
ViralFuture New Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NYC Posts: 7 Follow @viralfuture	ICANN is juts trying to make more money, it's ridiculous how many TLD's are being created now

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