How to Find Potential End Users? - Page 51

***twomoon*** · 09-15-2009, 12:22 PM

Small story.
My friend who is not a domainer but developer recently called me and told that he got an e-mail probably from a domainer, who was talking about the .net version of my friend's .com and .co.uk domains, saying that in couple of days that .net domain would be avaliable, and that guy (domainer) could catch it before squatters (bad guys) do it

So that guy was asking my friend if he is interested in .net (he didn't talk about the price). My friend was interested and I successfully backordered that name for him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/68798-how-to-find-potential-end-users.html

The question: does anybody of you use that kind of sales? Contacting enduser before you've picked a domain. If yes is it effective?

Thanks, Nick

Soofi · 09-15-2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by TwoMoon

Small story.
My friend who is not a domainer but developer recently called me and told that he got an e-mail probably from a domainer, who was talking about the .net version of my friend's .com and .co.uk domains, saying that in couple of days that .net domain would be avaliable, and that guy (domainer) could catch it before squatters (bad guys) do it

So that guy was asking my friend if he is interested in .net (he didn't talk about the price). My friend was interested and I successfully backordered that name for him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798

The question: does anybody of you use that kind of sales? Contacting enduser before you've picked a domain. If yes is it effective?

Thanks, Nick

Never have used that types..

Nick, that's a fair trade IMO as all the parties are aware of what's going on until and unles syou keep one or the other party in dark about you already have particular domain i ur possession before you even take the ownership

***twomoon*** · 09-15-2009, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by www.DONT.net

Never have used that types..

Nick, that's a fair trade IMO as all the parties are aware of what's going on until and unles syou keep one or the other party in dark about you already have particular domain i ur possession before you even take the ownership

Thanks for comment Jay

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798
I also never used that kind of sales, and I think it's not the best way to make business, but it's a method also.
it would be interesting to hear if anybody tried it.

Soofi · 09-15-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by TwoMoon

Thanks for comment Jay

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798
I also never used that kind of sales, and I think it's not the best way to make business, but it's a method also.
it would be interesting to hear if anybody tried it.

yes it would be..

DavidH · 09-15-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by TwoMoon

Small story.
My friend who is not a domainer but developer recently called me and told that he got an e-mail probably from a domainer, who was talking about the .net version of my friend's .com and .co.uk domains, saying that in couple of days that .net domain would be avaliable, and that guy (domainer) could catch it before squatters (bad guys) do it

So that guy was asking my friend if he is interested in .net (he didn't talk about the price). My friend was interested and I successfully backordered that name for him.

The question: does anybody of you use that kind of sales? Contacting enduser before you've picked a domain. If yes is it effective?

Thanks, Nick

I get a stack of emails from a guy in the UK who presents this type of approach but why would I want the dot net if I have the dot com? If it was the other way round and he was trying to sell me the dot com I might possibly be more interested.

AdoptableDomains · 09-15-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by TwoMoon

Small story.
My friend who is not a domainer but developer recently called me and told that he got an e-mail probably from a domainer, who was talking about the .net version of my friend's .com and .co.uk domains, saying that in couple of days that .net domain would be avaliable, and that guy (domainer) could catch it before squatters (bad guys) do it

So that guy was asking my friend if he is interested in .net (he didn't talk about the price). My friend was interested and I successfully backordered that name for him.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798

The question: does anybody of you use that kind of sales? Contacting enduser before you've picked a domain. If yes is it effective?

Thanks, Nick

Several time a month, I get similar emails saying domain of mine in a different TLD is soon expiring and offering to try to get it for me. As you case, if I've wanted it I've filed a backorder myself and often caught it. I think there are people who look at random drop lists and make this offer to newbies or those who don't know they can backorder it themselves. I would assume if the person replies with interest, they immediately file for the backorder and sell it for a profit IF and when they get it. I think they are really just looking for a buyer before they invest in the domain themselves.

Domainace · 09-17-2009, 04:13 AM

I get these emails, too. And I love them. It's a free notification of a dropping name I might be interested in. Some services make you pay for just that.]

From the seller's point of view, though, it leaves much to be desired.

bobwilson · 09-17-2009, 04:36 AM

hi all in the past month i came across 2-3 .coms drops(available) while the .net version have a website up and runnning.my question is how to pitch .com domain to the .net user? .will they be really interested?.

john_karr · 09-18-2009, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by JoshuaPz

8am - 10am ET, with a slight preference for Mondays. I have discussed this subject in several places.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798

Why 8am-10am, why not send it earlier or later that day?

1901gt · 09-18-2009, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by john_karr

Why 8am-10am, why not send it earlier or later that day?

That's only a rough estimate.

bobwilson · 09-22-2009, 01:47 AM

hey guys how to pitch a .com domain for a.net enduser?(website up and running0
will they be really interested?

matrigaldo · 09-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by bobwilson

hey guys how to pitch a .com domain for a.net enduser?(website up and running0
will they be really interested?

They could be interested if there are some traffic coming to your .com from people digiting .com instead of .net.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798
In this case you can redirect your .com to the .net for some days, then contact them using one of JoshuaPz templates, but adding on it about the redirection.
If they use to track traffic and noticed the increase, they would be interested.

However, sometimes .net owners could be interested in .com even with irrivelant traffic. Get a try.

Federer · 09-22-2009, 09:29 AM

Without even trying to convince them, you should be able to spark up some interest pretty quickly - especially if the term is related to a product/service/untrademarked brand that they own/are offering.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798
Owning the .com version is like owning the term on Google/Yahoo. Sometimes, it's more about IMAGE and BLOCKING COMPETITION than anything else.
When I sold MDD.com to MDD.net, it was a piece of cake. Who wouldn't want the .com version of their website?
You do not need to waste too much of your precious time and energy coming up with good reasons as to why they would need the domain and pitching them over to them.
They need to come up good reasons as to why they DON'T need it. Chances are they won't be able to, and they'll make you a reasonable offer or fire you a "how much?" email. Then it's just a numbers game.

d0main · 09-22-2009, 11:42 AM

Why have you started buying .net's recently, federer?

Federer · 09-22-2009, 02:48 PM

I have been buying .net's for the past year.
Speaking of .NET's...

Just sold BookDistributors.net for $300 (picked this up for reg fee a few days ago)

InsanerDomainer · 09-22-2009, 03:14 PM

I've sent out about 50 emails so far just by looking up addresses in whois. Not one nasty reply yet. Just one positive but non-commital response. I guess even if you're a noob you can just be polite and explain why your name has value in a matter of fact way, and not generate much of a backlash.

skulldude · 09-23-2009, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by InsanerDomainer

I've sent out about 50 emails so far just by looking up addresses in whois. Not one nasty reply yet. Just one positive but non-commital response. I guess even if you're a noob you can just be polite and explain why your name has value in a matter of fact way, and not generate much of a backlash.

This is quite common and can get a bit frustrating. I sent out over 50 emails the other day got 3 replies and no takers, when I sent out my pricing info. Although in hindsight I think I was overpriced.

InsanerDomainer · 09-24-2009, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by skulldude

This is quite common and can get a bit frustrating. I sent out over 50 emails the other day got 3 replies and no takers, when I sent out my pricing info. Although in hindsight I think I was overpriced.

Well, this has mostly been for my upcoming auction, so I wouldn't expect many positive replies. They would either tell me to f--- off or they would just place a bid... or simply ignore me.

mattste · 09-24-2009, 03:03 PM

Hi,

just wanted to say this is really a great, informative thread. Thanks.

Matt

xdomainer · 10-07-2009, 01:43 PM

Anyone have success selling exactly the same .com to .co.uk end users were the .co.uk is developed?

JoshuaPz · 10-07-2009, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by xdomainer

Anyone have success selling exactly the same .com to .co.uk end users were the .co.uk is developed?

Many times, but the chances of the .co.uk owner (or any ccTLD owner) being interested in the .com complement is much smaller than a .net owner taking interest in the same UNLESS the .co.uk owner does business internationally. If he doesn't, then he still may consider purchasing the .com for the purpose of brand protection, but he probably wouldn't be willing to pay much (if anything) for it as .co.uk is the ideal TLD for a local-serving commercial firm operating in UK. Many mid-sized UK companies who own (their company name).co.uk don't even bother to register (their company name).com.

fleadom · 10-07-2009, 04:00 PM

Hey has anyone tried to contact end-users through Facebook. Many business owners create Facebook pages for their businesses. The response rate might be higher since, everyone is using Facebook at the moment, in contrast with website info emails (info@blabla.com, contactus@blabla.com)

To give you my own experience, I did use Facebook to contact an end-user that didn't respond to his website info mail. I finally managed to find him through Facebook but the negotiations didn't result to a sale.

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798

Hope next time be more lucky, but I am definitely gonna use this kind of approach.

Domainace · 10-07-2009, 05:28 PM

I have tried Facebook, but you have to be very careful with that. Some people are offended by being contacted that way. At the very least, you should have a separate account just for this activity, as it may get closed.

JoshuaPz · 10-08-2009, 12:44 AM

Any specific reason why this thread has been un-stickied?

intheflow · 10-09-2009, 01:18 PM

I think the spamming to sell names that you don't even own (expiring names) is a little shady, but then again, these guys have actually helped me to find a few good names that I may have missed otherwise. You should at least own the domain before sending out unsolicited email in my opinion.

Selling the .Net and .Org to a user who already owns the .com is possible if they understand SEO and the benefits of a good 'authority link' network. Using domains with the same keywords to build an SEO network is an excellent method to get top rankings in competitive niches. Getting links from their direct competitors is not likely, but building their own support network accomplishes the same goal and gives them full control. They can use aggressive link building techniques on these sites without risking any penalties on their main money site. As SEO continues to get more and more competitive, single sites will no longer be able to compete against these SEO networks.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798

This is a classic thread, thanks Joshua, Federer and everyone else. I hope it gets stickied again.

09-15-2009, 12:22 PM	#1251 (permalink)
*twomoon* Lead farmer Join Date: May 2008 Location: Voodoo.TV Posts: 3,758 Follow @Voodoo_TV	Small story. My friend who is not a domainer but developer recently called me and told that he got an e-mail probably from a domainer, who was talking about the .net version of my friend's .com and .co.uk domains, saying that in couple of days that .net domain would be avaliable, and that guy (domainer) could catch it before squatters (bad guys) do it So that guy was asking my friend if he is interested in .net (he didn't talk about the price). My friend was interested and I successfully backordered that name for him. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/domain-name-discussion/68798-how-to-find-potential-end-users.html The question: does anybody of you use that kind of sales? Contacting enduser before you've picked a domain. If yes is it effective? Thanks, Nick __________________ Voodoo.TV - No tricks! Just pure .TV magic TWOMOON Internet Real Estate

09-17-2009, 04:13 AM	#1257 (permalink)
Domainace Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Japan Posts: 1,881	I get these emails, too. And I love them. It's a free notification of a dropping name I might be interested in. Some services make you pay for just that.] From the seller's point of view, though, it leaves much to be desired. __________________ Mini Trucks from Japan **Potassium Rich Foods Air Duct Cleaning

09-22-2009, 09:29 AM	#1263 (permalink)
Federer Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,352	Without even trying to convince them, you should be able to spark up some interest pretty quickly - especially if the term is related to a product/service/untrademarked brand that they own/are offering. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798 Owning the .com version is like owning the term on Google/Yahoo. Sometimes, it's more about IMAGE and BLOCKING COMPETITION than anything else. When I sold MDD.com to MDD.net, it was a piece of cake. Who wouldn't want the .com version of their website? You do not need to waste too much of your precious time and energy coming up with good reasons as to why they would need the domain and pitching them over to them. They need to come up good reasons as to why they DON'T need it. Chances are they won't be able to, and they'll make you a reasonable offer or fire you a "how much?" email. Then it's just a numbers game. __________________ Now for Sale: Company.net

09-22-2009, 02:48 PM	#1265 (permalink)
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09-22-2009, 03:14 PM	#1266 (permalink)
InsanerDomainer NamePros Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 134 Follow @InsanerDomainer	I've sent out about 50 emails so far just by looking up addresses in whois. Not one nasty reply yet. Just one positive but non-commital response. I guess even if you're a noob you can just be polite and explain why your name has value in a matter of fact way, and not generate much of a backlash. __________________ RecentBookmarks.com During.biz BoyNamesForBabies.com GiftAndNovelty.com W h y P a r k m i n i s i t e s

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bobwilson Account Closed Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6	hi all in the past month i came across 2-3 .coms drops(available) while the .net version have a website up and runnning.my question is how to pitch .com domain to the .net user? .will they be really interested?.

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bobwilson Account Closed Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 6	hey guys how to pitch a .com domain for a.net enduser?(website up and running0 will they be really interested?

09-22-2009, 11:42 AM	#1264 (permalink)
d0main NamePros Regular Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 467	Why have you started buying .net's recently, federer?

09-24-2009, 03:03 PM	#1269 (permalink)
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xdomainer NamePros Regular Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 958	Anyone have success selling exactly the same .com to .co.uk end users were the .co.uk is developed?

10-07-2009, 04:00 PM	#1272 (permalink)
fleadom NamePros Regular Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 318	Hey has anyone tried to contact end-users through Facebook. Many business owners create Facebook pages for their businesses. The response rate might be higher since, everyone is using Facebook at the moment, in contrast with website info emails (info@blabla.com, contactus@blabla.com) To give you my own experience, I did use Facebook to contact an end-user that didn't respond to his website info mail. I finally managed to find him through Facebook but the negotiations didn't result to a sale. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798 Hope next time be more lucky, but I am definitely gonna use this kind of approach. __________________ Aeroporika Eishthria Greek Internet Marketing \| SEO blog Acne Causes

10-07-2009, 05:28 PM	#1273 (permalink)
Domainace Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Japan Posts: 1,881	I have tried Facebook, but you have to be very careful with that. Some people are offended by being contacted that way. At the very least, you should have a separate account just for this activity, as it may get closed. __________________ Mini Trucks from Japan **Potassium Rich Foods Air Duct Cleaning

10-08-2009, 12:44 AM	#1274 (permalink)
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10-09-2009, 01:18 PM	#1275 (permalink)
intheflow NamePros Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 109	I think the spamming to sell names that you don't even own (expiring names) is a little shady, but then again, these guys have actually helped me to find a few good names that I may have missed otherwise. You should at least own the domain before sending out unsolicited email in my opinion. Selling the .Net and .Org to a user who already owns the .com is possible if they understand SEO and the benefits of a good 'authority link' network. Using domains with the same keywords to build an SEO network is an excellent method to get top rankings in competitive niches. Getting links from their direct competitors is not likely, but building their own support network accomplishes the same goal and gives them full control. They can use aggressive link building techniques on these sites without risking any penalties on their main money site. As SEO continues to get more and more competitive, single sites will no longer be able to compete against these SEO networks. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=68798 This is a classic thread, thanks Joshua, Federer and everyone else. I hope it gets stickied again. __________________ Asian dating \| asian love \| Luxury hotels Bangkok \| Airport hotels Bangkok

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