$200,000

Toni · 10-13-2010, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by carob

Hi thanks for the info. Seems that was the second highest mobi sale ever, and it was direct from the registry, not aftermarket.

Found more info here
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/09/08...ells-for-135k/

Quoting a reply to the article:

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Just to correct your article where you say its the second highest .mobi sale. It’s not.
These two sold in 2007:
Poker.mobi $150,000

Ringtones.mobi $145,000

also dont forget games.mobi sold for over 400k at auction and music.mobi sold for $616,000 i believe. Sedos servers got took down and there were squabbles. Remember? The sale of music.mobi took place in private with lawyers, mtld etc and fair to assume price must have been low – mid xxx,xxx but couldnt be revealed.

But i make this 4th largest sale, possibly lower, i have to check some other stats, but poker and ringtones are recorded sales

Infinity · 10-15-2010, 04:21 PM

Toni · 10-16-2010, 02:25 AM

Reserve for Flowers.mobi is already met,

current high bid is $750, it's the domain with the most bids so far lol..

I submitted Air.mobi and Dvr.mobi as well to the Miami auction (At No Reserve!! I am ready to take a loss, if ever, those are my 2 only .mobi investments anyhow)

I was too late for the live auction so they will only show them in the extended Miami auction, not exactly sure when it will start...

I think those 2 .mobi domains will reflect the current value of .mobi a lot better then Rick's Domain, what you think DVR.mobi and AIR.mobi will sell for?

**John Baron** · 10-18-2010, 06:45 PM

Current high bid is already at $2,200

exponent · 10-18-2010, 10:20 PM

If you haven't figured out how the "domain game" works when it comes to conferences like S.T.R.O.K.E.F.E.S.T. (sorry, I don't want sued), you need to understand one very important concept:

Mr. 'S' lives in a house of cards. It seems like he has a great hand, but like any good poker player, there is a lot of bluffing going on.

With that said, when it comes to many of these domain conferences, there is a price you see, and a price that is actually paid. Have you ever wondered why many of these purchases are made by people in the S.T.R.O.K.E.F.E.S.T. inner circle or by "anonymous" bidders? Wake up, people.

snoop · 10-18-2010, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by labrocca

Rick gets a lot of heat for this domain and I can't imagine why he's selling it knowing full well he'll likely get considerably less than what he paid. Anyone have a clue why he would sell this in the open market for what's sure to be a loss?

Why wouldn't he sell at a loss if if thought it had poor prospects or they money could be better spent elsewhere?

People get all emotional about names and find it hard to sell at a loss but it isn't a logical. Selling a name at a loss should be as easy to do as selling at a profit. The purchase price is past news....you've already paid that. The mistakes usually occur when people buy, not selling won't change it.

Personally I think he is making the right move and I think whatever it gets tonight it will be worth less in a few years.

---------- Post added at 10:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:08 PM ----------

Originally Posted by labrocca

That sums up his abilities. He goes with his "gut". In gambling we call that "luck".

Don't feel yourself BS, people very rarely get rich from luck. He's made more money than anyone on this forum and knows more about domains than most on the game. If you think it is luck head down to the nearest blue collar bar and you'll find plenty who agree. Many poor people think rich people made money via luck, that is a major reason why they are poor, they don't understand how people make money.

***promo*** · 10-18-2010, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Don't feel yourself BS, people very rarely get rich from luck. He's made more money than anyone on this forum and knows more about domains than most on the game. If you think it is luck head down to the nearest blue collar bar and you'll find plenty who agree. Many poor people think rich people made money via luck, that is a major reason why they are poor, they don't understand how people make money.

It might not all be luck. But some of it certainly is. If you read some of his recent blog posts describing his sales method. Well then you just have to scratch your head and think. Man that guy must be lucky.

He pretty much says he opens up a negotiation by insulting his potential buyer. This way he does not have to deal with people that can not look past insults to get his name. This way he does not waste his valuable time. That is borderline stupid. Now he might be a good trader, but he would never cut it in a professional sales outfit. There you have the time to actually go after each sales enquiry without calling your prospect an ass.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/680120-the-mobi-flower-game.html

So he is lucky. Lucky that he got in the game early enough to secure such names that he could insult his buyers and still make sales. If RS did not have those names he would not make any sales. Today its a mute point since he is the "domain king" and his reputation will open any door for him.

So I see him as a sort of curiosity. He definitely has some sales skills (although I have no idea what they are), but he is no people person. And as such I will subscribe to the notion that he is lucky like hell..

snoop · 10-19-2010, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by promo

It might not all be luck. But some of it certainly is. If you read some of his recent blog posts describing his sales method. Well then you just have to scratch your head and think. Man that guy must be lucky.

Look at the actual sales he has had, not what you think of his logic.

Originally Posted by promo

He pretty much says he opens up a negotiation by insulting his potential buyer. This way he does not have to deal with people that can not look past insults to get his name. This way he does not waste his valuable time. That is borderline stupid.

It is easy to say from the peanut gallery that he is stupid, but the fact is he's made millions, obviously his strategy is working.

Originally Posted by promo

Now he might be a good trader, but he would never cut it in a professional sales outfit. There you have the time to actually go after each sales enquiry without calling your prospect an ass.

So he couldn't get a sales job making 60k a year....I wonder if he is disappointed by that?

Sometimes people do insult buyers, I've seen this strategy at times especially for very high priced items like premium real estate where there is egos at play. When I have seen it is from the best performing sales people (the type of people who can get away with it without getting fired) to motivate someone to offer more.

Originally Posted by promo

So he is lucky. Lucky that he got in the game early enough to secure such names that he could insult his buyers and still make sales. If RS did not have those names he would not make any sales. Today its a mute point since he is the "domain king" and his reputation will open any door for him.

You are right that if he didn't get in early he wouldn't have those sales. Getting in early isn't the result of luck though. Lots of people talk about how they knew about domains in 1998. You see them here somewhat often "I remember checking news.com and it was available....etc" Very few made significant money.

Originally Posted by promo

So I see him as a sort of curiosity. He definitely has some sales skills (although I have no idea what they are), but he is no people person. And as such I will subscribe to the notion that he is lucky like hell..

So basically it boils down to you not liking the guy? I don't like him either, but he sure is a good domainer.

***promo*** · 10-19-2010, 06:33 AM

I just knew you would say "look at his sales, it proves he is a brilliant sales man". I think you jump to conclusions though.

Its obvious that RS has many talents. But I believe that probing each lead is necessary to determine the value of it. RS however has plenty of leads because he has a very nice portfolio. He does not need to be efficient and make every sale. As he says his time is to valuable for that, implied in that sentence is that his time is to valuable to get the lesser sales. Us in the peanut gallery as you say, need the lesser sales and if he was an efficient sales man he would also get them.

You view luck as a mechanism being employed by people not understanding a concept. I believe that there is something to be said about random chance having preferences sometimes. So I have no beef with the concept of luck.

So when I say RS has been lucky, it is because I think that some of his success has reached him in spite of his sales pitch, not because of it.
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=680120

EDIT
In regards to sellers making 60K a year. Some sellers make much more than RS does in a year. But my comment was not about him getting a job. It was about what I think is proper business etiquette and sales technique.

NLP · 10-19-2010, 01:53 PM

Flowers.mobi just sold for $6500 to Anunt. Probably bought it out of spite, since he doesn't appear to like RS very much.

**John Baron** · 10-19-2010, 03:24 PM

yes i guess Danto is our winner

***johname*** · 10-19-2010, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Danto

$10,000

anyone had an offical guess lower than Danto's 10k ? he might be the winner

***promo*** · 10-19-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by RUPERT

$7.5k

Only 1K from the final price..

***johname*** · 10-19-2010, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by promo

Only 1K from the final price..

Good Spot promo

Originally Posted by RUPERT

$7.5k

Rupert is the Man! lol

snoop · 10-19-2010, 04:34 PM

Looks like the sale is well under what most thought it would get. (actually there doesn't seem to be any lower predictions).

Remember the arguments a year or so about the level of price falls? Many naysayers thought the top premium names such as this were down about 90% back then. Obviously the market it is far worse now with a 97% loss on such a significant name. It sounds like a flipper has bought it so expect a desperate sale soon and maybe an even lower price.

Just like a lot of people joined the .mobi market when this sold last time and I think we'll see a lot head for the exit after this. With the top names getting 4 figures leaves little hope for the middle and lower rung names. I also think we'll see an increase in selling of the top names, wouldn't surprise me if RS sold off the rest of his and probably a lot of people who followed him in will do the same.

This is the 2nd defining moment for this extension....yesterday people knew the .mobi market was sick, today the front page news on every second domain blog will be far worse than just a sick market.

**John Baron** · 10-19-2010, 04:46 PM

Its true that the .mobi market is not at good place - no secrets there , but i dont think this sale was a "defining moment" . this was a domainers auction - and flowers.mobi represent something that most domainers would not like to be associated with .

worst place to sell such a domain imho

snoop · 10-19-2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by liror

Its true that the .mobi market is not at good place - no secrets there , but i dont think this sale was a "defining moment" . this was a domainers auction - and flowers.mobi represent something that most domainers would not like to be associated with .

worst place to sell such a domain imho

Why wouldn't domainers want to be associated with selling flowers?

It is hard to argue this is the worst place to sell such a domain when it sold for 200k at the same venue last time. What place is more suitable for this name?

**John Baron** · 10-19-2010, 04:55 PM

its not the flowers , its the idea that this is a "loser domain"
????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=680120

not sure about the best place to sell it , but for sure is not a room full with people who read domain name forums on a daily basis

Originally Posted by snoop

Why wouldn't domainers want to be associated with selling flowers?

It is hard to argue this is the worst place to sell such a domain when it sold for 200k at the same venue last time. What place is more suitable for this name?

snoop · 10-19-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by liror

the only place that is suitable to sell it is a place where people who dont read domain name forums hang out

The is no such market where domainers can easily sell into.The alternative to selling it at a domainer venue is holding onto it and waiting for an unknown period of time. Sometimes it is better to sell, take the loss and move on.

Toni · 10-19-2010, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by snoop

Looks like the sale is well under what most thought it would get. (actually there doesn't seem to be any lower predictions).

lol, I predicted $2k

????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=680120

Congrats Rupert!!

***promo*** · 10-20-2010, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by snoop

... Sometimes it is better to sell, take the loss and move on.

I agree with that sentiment. But this was certainly not such a time. I feel sorry for the guy, he could not have know that the name would have gone for such a low price. Accepting 6.5K for the name after he bought it for 200K means that he lost 96,8% of his purchase value in 4 years.

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Toni Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Right here! Posts: 3,914	Reserve for Flowers.mobi is already met, current high bid is $750, it's the domain with the most bids so far lol.. I submitted Air.mobi and Dvr.mobi as well to the Miami auction (At No Reserve!! I am ready to take a loss, if ever, those are my 2 only .mobi investments anyhow) I was too late for the live auction so they will only show them in the extended Miami auction, not exactly sure when it will start... I think those 2 .mobi domains will reflect the current value of .mobi a lot better then Rick's Domain, what you think DVR.mobi and AIR.mobi will sell for? __________________ Free Facebook Fans, Free Twitter Followers, Earn Cash, check out: Click Fans - The Social Exchange Community

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*promo* Business Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: DK Posts: 1,010	I just knew you would say "look at his sales, it proves he is a brilliant sales man". I think you jump to conclusions though. Its obvious that RS has many talents. But I believe that probing each lead is necessary to determine the value of it. RS however has plenty of leads because he has a very nice portfolio. He does not need to be efficient and make every sale. As he says his time is to valuable for that, implied in that sentence is that his time is to valuable to get the lesser sales. Us in the peanut gallery as you say, need the lesser sales and if he was an efficient sales man he would also get them. You view luck as a mechanism being employed by people not understanding a concept. I believe that there is something to be said about random chance having preferences sometimes. So I have no beef with the concept of luck. So when I say RS has been lucky, it is because I think that some of his success has reached him in spite of his sales pitch, not because of it. ????: NamePros.com http://www.namepros.com/showthread.php?t=680120 EDIT In regards to sellers making 60K a year. Some sellers make much more than RS does in a year. But my comment was not about him getting a job. It was about what I think is proper business etiquette and sales technique. Last edited by promo; 10-19-2010 at 06:36 AM.

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NLP NamePros Regular Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 567 Follow @DomainSushi	Flowers.mobi just sold for $6500 to Anunt. Probably bought it out of spite, since he doesn't appear to like RS very much.

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10-19-2010, 04:34 PM	#40 (permalink)
snoop New User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,986	Looks like the sale is well under what most thought it would get. (actually there doesn't seem to be any lower predictions). Remember the arguments a year or so about the level of price falls? Many naysayers thought the top premium names such as this were down about 90% back then. Obviously the market it is far worse now with a 97% loss on such a significant name. It sounds like a flipper has bought it so expect a desperate sale soon and maybe an even lower price. Just like a lot of people joined the .mobi market when this sold last time and I think we'll see a lot head for the exit after this. With the top names getting 4 figures leaves little hope for the middle and lower rung names. I also think we'll see an increase in selling of the top names, wouldn't surprise me if RS sold off the rest of his and probably a lot of people who followed him in will do the same. This is the 2nd defining moment for this extension....yesterday people knew the .mobi market was sick, today the front page news on every second domain blog will be far worse than just a sick market.

10-19-2010, 04:46 PM	#41 (permalink)
John Baron SEO Optimizer Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 961	Its true that the .mobi market is not at good place - no secrets there , but i dont think this sale was a "defining moment" . this was a domainers auction - and flowers.mobi represent something that most domainers would not like to be associated with . worst place to sell such a domain imho __________________ Stay Updated on The Online Marketing & SEO Top Blogs 24-7 ! I'm Buying Premium Domains - Talk to me if you got any Last edited by John Baron; 10-19-2010 at 04:49 PM.

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